Out of the Blue

I know people can find Canada Geese a nuisance, but I find the fact that our homeowners association rounds them up every spring extremely distressing. When I first learned of the practice I asked if they were relocated or killed, and the glib answer was "don't know, don't care." The idea they might be killed bothers me a lot, and with the first geese showing up on the pond for the spring this is starting to stress me out. I decided to do a little poking around, and found the NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation Regulations on the topic. It turns out that trying to drive them off is allowable, but relocating them is not, and killing geese here would require a specific federal permit. It would not surprise me greatly if the HOA is not bothering to get such a permit, so now I need to decide whether I want to get caught up in raising a fuss over this. Have any of you had such a bad experience with uncontrolled goose populations to know that I'm going to regret it if it turns out there's something I can do about this? I'm imagining there's a possible Twilight Zone scenario here where I end up in a hell of my own making.

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Dwarf-Snowninja wrote on Mar 7, 2021, 15:10:
Might be an unpopular solution, but my hometown has large populations of Canada geese because of a large series of lakes and rivers close to downtown and proposed using Australian shepherds to herd them to specific lakes/riversides largely because they'd strip all the vegetation and the banks would start eroding rapidly and displaced several native species via being super aggressive and territorial; there was the issue of their feces being everywhere but that felt kind of an aside. This was discarded because herding them was considered inhumane as it might frighten the geese and disrupt their nesting, despite the state department of fish and wildlife finding this to be a fairly inexpensive and safe solution versus hand-moving the eggs and using noise or other means to move the geese.

It felt like a win/win to me as the geese weren't physically harmed, they were still allowed to graze and to nest, vegetation would be allowed to regrow, and native species would be given a chance to claim some of the space the geese displaced them from.
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Might be an unpopular solution, but my hometown has large populations of Canada geese because of a large series of lakes and rivers close to downtown and proposed using Australian shepherds to herd them to specific lakes/riversides largely because they'd strip all the vegetation and the banks would start eroding rapidly and displaced several native species via being super aggressive and territorial; there was the issue of their feces being everywhere but that felt kind of an aside. This was discarded because herding them was considered inhumane as it might frighten the geese and disrupt their nesting, despite the state department of fish and wildlife finding this to be a fairly inexpensive and safe solution versus hand-moving the eggs and using noise or other means to move the geese.

It felt like a win/win to me as the geese weren't physically harmed, they were still allowed to graze and to nest, vegetation would be allowed to regrow, and native species would be given a chance to claim some of the space the geese displaced them from.
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One of the reasons I love my property. 20 acres in central Florida. We have flocks of Sand Hill Cranes, a group of around 15 semi-wild turkeys (wild, but descendants of domesticated turkeys, otherwise we'd never even see them), huge gorgeous fox squirrels, four gopher turtles, a couple of owls, a chicken hawk, a pack coyotes (never see them, hear them at night, sometimes see paw prints), and once got visited by a bear. Video of the bear here: https://www.pcabusers.org/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=64109&p=370885&hilit=visitor#p370883

When we cleared the property, we left a lot of trees. All our neighbors clear their ranches for horse or cow pasture. We like our trees.
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Jivaro wrote on Mar 5, 2021, 16:34:
We have to leave all migrating animals alone. Birds included. We get hummingbirds, monarch butterflies, canadian geese, and if you live in the outer suburbs at the right time of year...the occasional bobcat on the search for a mate. All from the comfort of the suburbs. Nothing like watching a herd of 10-15 or so deer walking down our neighborhood streets at 5:00AM, picking at people's bushes and plants. Aside from accidental roadkill, we have to leave it all alone here, even the native species like raccoons and possum. Thankfully, that is exactly what most people are inclined to do anyway.
We've pretty much annihilated all of these animal's habitats and they are the pests because we now have to co-exist. I never understood that logic. Happy some people still do the right thing.
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We have to leave all migrating animals alone. Birds included. We get hummingbirds, monarch butterflies, canadian geese, and if you live in the outer suburbs at the right time of year...the occasional bobcat on the search for a mate. All from the comfort of the suburbs. Nothing like watching a herd of 10-15 or so deer walking down our neighborhood streets at 5:00AM, picking at people's bushes and plants. Aside from accidental roadkill, we have to leave it all alone here, even the native species like raccoons and possum. Thankfully, that is exactly what most people are inclined to do anyway.
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Jonjonz wrote on Mar 5, 2021, 06:40:
There are a whole slew of reasons by they should be called Foul, salmonella, trichomoniasis, aspergillosis, avian pox, and histoplasmosis.

Wild animals belong in the wild, not your backyard or the common areas of condo communities.

Certainly it's fine for the HOA to have rules against having the geese around, and although Blue enjoys them, I don't think that's what he's arguing against. Rather, it's the method of their removal that appears suspect and not in accordance with the law.
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Kxmode wrote on Mar 5, 2021, 00:38:
Bodolza wrote on Mar 4, 2021, 23:59:
According to the locals, it's Canada Gooses (skip to 4:11).

Pretty sure that's grammatically wrong.

Most grammatical constructions are adjective-noun, but there are cases of nouns being used as adjectives: shoe store, concert tickets, bird dog, soccer ball, diamond ring.
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Mar 5, 2021, 12:59
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Jonjonz wrote on Mar 5, 2021, 06:40:
There are a whole slew of reasons by they should be called Foul, salmonella, trichomoniasis, aspergillosis, avian pox, and histoplasmosis.

Wild animals belong in the wild, not your backyard or the common areas of condo communities.

Animals are being forced into close proximity with humans because of humans. Use your brain.
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There is no wilderness left in America you ass, outside of a handful of parks out west and Alaska.

You think migratory birds should just, like, NOT STOP anywhere in the continental United States because humans are virtually everywhere?
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There are a whole slew of reasons by they should be called Foul, salmonella, trichomoniasis, aspergillosis, avian pox, and histoplasmosis.

Wild animals belong in the wild, not your backyard or the common areas of condo communities.
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Bodolza wrote on Mar 4, 2021, 23:59:
According to the locals, it's Canada Gooses (skip to 4:11).

Pretty sure that's grammatically wrong.
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1badmf wrote on Mar 4, 2021, 22:00:
Kxmode wrote on Mar 4, 2021, 21:23:
Blue wrote on Mar 4, 2021, 16:29:
Kxmode wrote on Mar 4, 2021, 14:44:
Is it Canada Geese or Canadian Geese?

I always thought it was the latter, but when I looked it up to find that DEC website I learned it's the former.

Interesting. The English language seems to follow and not follow its own grammatical rules.

grammatical rules have nothing to do with this. canada goose is the name of the species, not the country they're from. you wouldn't call a white tiger, a whiteish tiger, just cuz it had a mutation that made it a bit darker.

I don't know if that's a very convincing reason. Canadian Goose could as easily have been the name of the species, too. But I think it's more common to see this form used for states and cities (e.g., Georgia Peaches, California Condor, Boston Terrier), maybe because you get a lot of awkward constructions otherwise -- Tennessee wombat sounds better to me than Tennessean wombat. There are probably countries with awkward adjective constructions where I'd do the same, too, because it feels more natural to just use the country name. New Zealand, Guinea, Guam, the Bahamas, Zimbabwe. Canada just doesn't happen to be one of those for me, or for most other people I guess.
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According to the locals, it's Canada Gooses (skip to 4:11).
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Cutter wrote on Mar 4, 2021, 15:32:
Honestly, if I ever decide to check out one day I'll be sure to head by a place like and burn it and all it's inhabitants to the ground first. Do my own hunt. Kill conservative assholes hunt! Now that needs to be a full time event year round.


Heh, the maturity. And hypocrisy. But it is cutter.

"If you hunt animals, I'll kill you."

Can't wait for deer season in the fall :/ Backstrap gets eaten so quickly...
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Acleacius wrote on Mar 4, 2021, 18:22:
I got a question too, are they actually charging ya'll for the vaccine or is it government sponsored?

Government paid. Confirmed with my county. The distributing agency, Walgreens in my case, charges my health insurance who then submits a claim to the government for reimbursement.
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Ding, ding, ding.
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My first thought, "you won't be the first call to the cops".

Exactly. That was my first thought too. My second thought was that I'd pay good money to see footage of the interaction with any police officers when they were informed of why they were called.
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Kxmode wrote on Mar 4, 2021, 21:23:
Interesting. The English language seems to follow and not follow its own grammatical rules.
I don't know if it is accurate (it probably isn't), but I have long considered "Every rule has an exception" as being heavily base on English grammar, spelling, and pronunciation rules.
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RedEye9 wrote on Mar 4, 2021, 15:45:
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Ivermectin
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Kxmode wrote on Mar 4, 2021, 21:23:
Blue wrote on Mar 4, 2021, 16:29:
Kxmode wrote on Mar 4, 2021, 14:44:
Is it Canada Geese or Canadian Geese?

I always thought it was the latter, but when I looked it up to find that DEC website I learned it's the former.

Interesting. The English language seems to follow and not follow its own grammatical rules.

grammatical rules have nothing to do with this. canada goose is the name of the species, not the country they're from. you wouldn't call a white tiger, a whiteish tiger, just cuz it had a mutation that made it a bit darker.

for me conservation is the single most important problem we as a species face, and probably the most under appreciated as well. Blue if you need a Canada Geese defense fund i am totally down for a benjamin or two. your HOA can eat a dick.
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