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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 24, 2021, 13:48
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 24, 2021, 13:48
Feb 24, 2021, 13:48
 
Valorant wants more women and 'minority genders' competing at its highest levels.

First step towards encouraging inclusion: create a Championship and Academy that excludes the other group.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 24, 2021, 14:40
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 24, 2021, 14:40
Feb 24, 2021, 14:40
 
Affirtmative action, racism and incompetence all in one go.

"You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life."
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 24, 2021, 15:33
Jivaro
 
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 24, 2021, 15:33
Feb 24, 2021, 15:33
 Jivaro
 
I understand their sentiment and appreciate it for it's intention.....but I am skeptical. Hopefully it turns out as intended I guess.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 24, 2021, 15:52
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 24, 2021, 15:52
Feb 24, 2021, 15:52
 
Jivaro wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:33:
I understand their sentiment and appreciate it for it's intention.....but I am skeptical. Hopefully it turns out as intended I guess.

If they build a tolerant environment, shouldn't their wish just happen naturally? Just don't tolerate misogynist and homophobic assholes, and the rest takes care of itself.

Speaking of which, I saw this today and found it interesting:
1 in 6 Gen Z adults are LGBT. And this number could continue to grow.
'I am' is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that 'I do' is the longest sentence? - GC
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 24, 2021, 17:48
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 24, 2021, 17:48
Feb 24, 2021, 17:48
 
jdreyer wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:52:
Jivaro wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:33:
I understand their sentiment and appreciate it for it's intention.....but I am skeptical. Hopefully it turns out as intended I guess.

If they build a tolerant environment, shouldn't their wish just happen naturally? Just don't tolerate misogynist and homophobic assholes, and the rest takes care of itself.

Speaking of which, I saw this today and found it interesting:
1 in 6 Gen Z adults are LGBT. And this number could continue to grow.

Well good luck to them, not allowing hate speech and death threats to run rampant on any given voice comm for any current game is a major task. It feels like it's 10-50 times worse now than when I was in college and actually playing some FPS games competitively and otherwise. Battlefield 5 random pub chatter made me depressed as hell, had to uninstall.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 24, 2021, 17:57
Jivaro
 
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 24, 2021, 17:57
Feb 24, 2021, 17:57
 Jivaro
 
jdreyer wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:52:
Jivaro wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:33:
I understand their sentiment and appreciate it for it's intention.....but I am skeptical. Hopefully it turns out as intended I guess.

If they build a tolerant environment, shouldn't their wish just happen naturally? Just don't tolerate misogynist and homophobic assholes, and the rest takes care of itself.

Speaking of which, I saw this today and found it interesting:
1 in 6 Gen Z adults are LGBT. And this number could continue to grow.

My theory is that the percentage of people that are LGBT hasn't changed, the growing acceptance within American culture is just letting more people live their truth. I know many people disagree with that assertion, but in my 47 years I have known a lot of people that were always bi or gay or trans...and it's only been recently that many of them felt like they could live that life publicly. It's just one of those "in my experience" opinions tho.

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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 25, 2021, 02:25
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 25, 2021, 02:25
Feb 25, 2021, 02:25
 
jdreyer wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:52:
Jivaro wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:33:
I understand their sentiment and appreciate it for it's intention.....but I am skeptical. Hopefully it turns out as intended I guess.

If they build a tolerant environment, shouldn't their wish just happen naturally? Just don't tolerate misogynist and homophobic assholes, and the rest takes care of itself.

Speaking of which, I saw this today and found it interesting:
1 in 6 Gen Z adults are LGBT. And this number could continue to grow.

I don't buy it. Call me oldf-ashioned but I believe that sexual orientation is mostly decided by biology. We are animals after all, thinking ones, but sex is something that is instinctive to us. We don't choose our sexual orientation we are born with it. If that article is factual, then these kids are just caving in to the social norms that are imposed upon them today. It's not only acceptable to be LGBT today, it's actually COOL, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are just pretending.

This comment was edited on Feb 25, 2021, 03:36.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 25, 2021, 02:54
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 25, 2021, 02:54
Feb 25, 2021, 02:54
 
VaranDragon wrote on Feb 25, 2021, 02:25:
jdreyer wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:52:
Jivaro wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:33:
I understand their sentiment and appreciate it for it's intention.....but I am skeptical. Hopefully it turns out as intended I guess.

If they build a tolerant environment, shouldn't their wish just happen naturally? Just don't tolerate misogynist and homophobic assholes, and the rest takes care of itself.

Speaking of which, I saw this today and found it interesting:
1 in 6 Gen Z adults are LGBT. And this number could continue to grow.

I don't buy it. Call me oldf-ashioned but I believe that sexual orientation is mostly decided by biology. We are animals after all, thinking ones, but sex is something that is instinctive to us. We don't choose our sexual orientation we are born with it. If that article is factual, then these kids are just caving in to the social norms that are imposed upon them today. It's not only acceptable to be LGBT today, it's actually COOL.
I think the general LGBT position agrees that sexual orientation is something you're born with. It's the Bible thumpers that say it's a (wrong) choice.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 25, 2021, 05:24
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 25, 2021, 05:24
Feb 25, 2021, 05:24
 
In Ancient Greek Athens it was considered fashionable for aristocrats and men of good standing to have young male lovers. It doesn't mean that all of these men were gay.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 25, 2021, 05:40
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 25, 2021, 05:40
Feb 25, 2021, 05:40
 
VaranDragon wrote on Feb 25, 2021, 02:25:
jdreyer wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:52:
Jivaro wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:33:
I understand their sentiment and appreciate it for it's intention.....but I am skeptical. Hopefully it turns out as intended I guess.

If they build a tolerant environment, shouldn't their wish just happen naturally? Just don't tolerate misogynist and homophobic assholes, and the rest takes care of itself.

Speaking of which, I saw this today and found it interesting:
1 in 6 Gen Z adults are LGBT. And this number could continue to grow.

I don't buy it. Call me oldf-ashioned but I believe that sexual orientation is mostly decided by biology. We are animals after all, thinking ones, but sex is something that is instinctive to us. We don't choose our sexual orientation we are born with it. If that article is factual, then these kids are just caving in to the social norms that are imposed upon them today. It's not only acceptable to be LGBT today, it's actually COOL, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are just pretending.

This always seems to be the social conservative response to seeing increases in LGBT identification...
It's cool, they're pretending etc. etc.
Have you considered that these were likely always the numbers of people born this way and now that society doesn't suppress and disapprove to the same degree they feel free to identify that way?
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 25, 2021, 05:43
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 25, 2021, 05:43
Feb 25, 2021, 05:43
 
Sepharo wrote on Feb 25, 2021, 05:40:
VaranDragon wrote on Feb 25, 2021, 02:25:
jdreyer wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:52:
Jivaro wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:33:
I understand their sentiment and appreciate it for it's intention.....but I am skeptical. Hopefully it turns out as intended I guess.

If they build a tolerant environment, shouldn't their wish just happen naturally? Just don't tolerate misogynist and homophobic assholes, and the rest takes care of itself.

Speaking of which, I saw this today and found it interesting:
1 in 6 Gen Z adults are LGBT. And this number could continue to grow.

I don't buy it. Call me oldf-ashioned but I believe that sexual orientation is mostly decided by biology. We are animals after all, thinking ones, but sex is something that is instinctive to us. We don't choose our sexual orientation we are born with it. If that article is factual, then these kids are just caving in to the social norms that are imposed upon them today. It's not only acceptable to be LGBT today, it's actually COOL, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are just pretending.

This always seems to be the social conservative response to seeing increases in LGBT identification...
It's cool, they're pretending etc. etc.
Have you considered that these were likely always the numbers of people born this way and now that society doesn't suppress and disapprove to the same degree they feel free to identify that way?

Yes I have considered it. One of my best friends is gay. It's something we frequently talk about. My stepdaughter is 19 and identifies as LGTB. Half of her friends are "Bi". They think it's cool as fuck. I'm not discounting it at all. I'm just saying that if 1 in 6 Gen Z identifies as LGBT and that number seems to be growing, then it's not just biology at work here.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 25, 2021, 06:22
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 25, 2021, 06:22
Feb 25, 2021, 06:22
 
VaranDragon wrote on Feb 25, 2021, 05:43:
Sepharo wrote on Feb 25, 2021, 05:40:
VaranDragon wrote on Feb 25, 2021, 02:25:
jdreyer wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:52:
Jivaro wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:33:
I understand their sentiment and appreciate it for it's intention.....but I am skeptical. Hopefully it turns out as intended I guess.

If they build a tolerant environment, shouldn't their wish just happen naturally? Just don't tolerate misogynist and homophobic assholes, and the rest takes care of itself.

Speaking of which, I saw this today and found it interesting:
1 in 6 Gen Z adults are LGBT. And this number could continue to grow.

I don't buy it. Call me oldf-ashioned but I believe that sexual orientation is mostly decided by biology. We are animals after all, thinking ones, but sex is something that is instinctive to us. We don't choose our sexual orientation we are born with it. If that article is factual, then these kids are just caving in to the social norms that are imposed upon them today. It's not only acceptable to be LGBT today, it's actually COOL, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are just pretending.

This always seems to be the social conservative response to seeing increases in LGBT identification...
It's cool, they're pretending etc. etc.
Have you considered that these were likely always the numbers of people born this way and now that society doesn't suppress and disapprove to the same degree they feel free to identify that way?

Yes I have considered it. One of my best friends is gay. It's something we frequently talk about. My stepdaughter is 19 and identifies as LGTB. Half of her friends are "Bi". They think it's cool as fuck. I'm not discounting it at all. I'm just saying that if 1 in 6 Gen Z identifies as LGBT and that number seems to be growing, then it's not just biology at work here.

I'm not really sure I understand the context of "it's not just biology at work here" then...
If you mean, "it's not just biology, it's a changing society where people who previously would have denied their orientation (to themselves and/or others) now feel socially safe to identify that way" then I agree.
But it seems to me that you mean "it's not just biology, it's society saying it's cool and so now people pretend to be LGBT"... so that's what I commented on.

So... since you said you're not discounting the former but you do seem to believe the latter as well... what do you mean by "it's not just biology"?
You said that you do believe that orientation is decided by biology.
I guess the question comes down to, of the increase, what portion do you think comes from fakers vs. those who would have in decades past been closeted?
And how do you reach/reason that ratio given that you believe both to be factors in the increase?
Just a feeling that because it's cool there must be fakers, right?
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 25, 2021, 07:39
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 25, 2021, 07:39
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Sepharo wrote on Feb 25, 2021, 06:22:
So... since you said you're not discounting the former but you do seem to believe the latter as well... what do you mean by "it's not just biology"?
You said that you do believe that orientation is decided by biology.
I guess the question comes down to, of the increase, what portion do you think comes from fakers vs. those who would have in decades past been closeted?

Well that's the thing isn't it? It's not like there have been conclusive studies, since that sort of thing is frowned upon and hasn't been done since the 60s-70s. All we have are statistics, and our own gut feeling depending on our own social interactions. I will repeat that I believe that sexuality is mostly derived from our instinctive biological impulses, mostly since it has been regulated through history by society and societal norms. And these are very, very fluid. Throughout history humankind has swung from one extreme to the other, and from my limited old-fart interaction with the younger generation it appears to be swinging the other way pretty hard. The truth is to be found, as it usually does, probably somewhere in the middle.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 25, 2021, 09:10
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 25, 2021, 09:10
Feb 25, 2021, 09:10
 
The science is clear and conclusive: sex is not binary, transgender people are real. SciAm

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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 25, 2021, 09:52
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 25, 2021, 09:52
Feb 25, 2021, 09:52
 
RedEye9 wrote on Feb 25, 2021, 09:10:
The science is clear and conclusive: sex is not binary, transgender people are real. SciAm


How did you infer from my posts that I said otherwise?
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 25, 2021, 10:16
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 25, 2021, 10:16
Feb 25, 2021, 10:16
 
VaranDragon wrote on Feb 25, 2021, 02:25:
jdreyer wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:52:
Jivaro wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:33:
I understand their sentiment and appreciate it for it's intention.....but I am skeptical. Hopefully it turns out as intended I guess.

If they build a tolerant environment, shouldn't their wish just happen naturally? Just don't tolerate misogynist and homophobic assholes, and the rest takes care of itself.

Speaking of which, I saw this today and found it interesting:
1 in 6 Gen Z adults are LGBT. And this number could continue to grow.

I don't buy it. Call me oldf-ashioned but I believe that sexual orientation is mostly decided by biology. We are animals after all, thinking ones, but sex is something that is instinctive to us. We don't choose our sexual orientation we are born with it. If that article is factual, then these kids are just caving in to the social norms that are imposed upon them today. It's not only acceptable to be LGBT today, it's actually COOL, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are just pretending.

Ok as the "resident gay at Blues" (I'm claiming the title dammit), why does it have to be biology or choice? It doesn't fucking matter. I like Pepsi because that's what we drank as kids, but I also like Diet Cherry Coke. I didn't pop out of my mom thinking "I WANT DICK!" but in my early teens watching my dad's awesome collection of Vintage porn I watched the guys more then the girls. Throw in father died in the same time frame (so lack of father figure as we never really had a ton of bonding moments), having a sister and mother and grandmother who were very dominant and I believe my mom and sister are bi-polar. So take no dad, crazy women at puberty, and that's my "best guess" on why I'm gay.

As for the "gay is cool" part, I agree and disagree with this. Why was there a Tide Pod or Cinnamon challenge? Because people can be stupid, and they also want to fit in and be accepted. Typically kids (in my 40's myself, so by kids lets just say 15-25 year olds for this conversation) who have come out at such an early age are pretty fucking fearless when it comes to labels. So take young age, wanting to fit in, find friends that have no problems accepting other people who may consider themselves "social outcasts" and bingo, everyone is gay, lesbian, bi, whatever. Remember when Goths popped out of the woodworks in the 90's?
Everyone wants to belong to something, be it a spouse, religion, group, etc, So ya tell me there is a group that just accepts ya for who you are , no questions ask? Sounds like a pretty good group to join.

So TL:DR
Change your "I think" to "I accept". How I got from A to Z doesn't matter, because where i am now/who I am now is all that matters.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 25, 2021, 10:25
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 25, 2021, 10:25
Feb 25, 2021, 10:25
 
Orogogus wrote on Feb 25, 2021, 02:54:
VaranDragon wrote on Feb 25, 2021, 02:25:
jdreyer wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:52:
Jivaro wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:33:
I understand their sentiment and appreciate it for it's intention.....but I am skeptical. Hopefully it turns out as intended I guess.

If they build a tolerant environment, shouldn't their wish just happen naturally? Just don't tolerate misogynist and homophobic assholes, and the rest takes care of itself.

Speaking of which, I saw this today and found it interesting:
1 in 6 Gen Z adults are LGBT. And this number could continue to grow.

I don't buy it. Call me oldf-ashioned but I believe that sexual orientation is mostly decided by biology. We are animals after all, thinking ones, but sex is something that is instinctive to us. We don't choose our sexual orientation we are born with it. If that article is factual, then these kids are just caving in to the social norms that are imposed upon them today. It's not only acceptable to be LGBT today, it's actually COOL.

The position is that 1) it doesn't matter 2) in 45 years on this planet (and lets say for shits and giggles) say I've been gay 32 years of that), and as a very talkative person, and all the gay people I know and been around and chatted with (gossip queens are faster then a sent email), that NOT ONCE have we every talked about if it's biology or choice. There was a very popular saying that my people use to use "I'm here, I'm queer, deal with it".
I think the general LGBT position agrees that sexual orientation is something you're born with. It's the Bible thumpers that say it's a (wrong) choice.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 25, 2021, 10:43
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 25, 2021, 10:43
Feb 25, 2021, 10:43
 
jdreyer wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:52:
Jivaro wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:33:
I understand their sentiment and appreciate it for it's intention.....but I am skeptical. Hopefully it turns out as intended I guess.

If they build a tolerant environment, shouldn't their wish just happen naturally? Just don't tolerate misogynist and homophobic assholes, and the rest takes care of itself.

Speaking of which, I saw this today and found it interesting:
1 in 6 Gen Z adults are LGBT. And this number could continue to grow.

I'm sorry to call ya out on this but your thinking on this is just stupid (but let me tell you why).
For Example lets take Airplane travel.
Back in the 60's and 70's it was all about putting on your Sunday's best and traveling the world. Bring your cigs because everyone on the flight could smoke.
Now in this day and age, (thanks to a few terrorists, idiots trying to light their crotches/shoes/etc) you have a ton of security, and steps to go through to fly.
Do you think the airlines and airports decided out of the blue to start cracking down on this (like smoking on a aircraft, or doing body pat downs, or body scans? Nope, but they have to because bad people out there wanting to do bad things.
So take pretty much any shooter that has multiplayer and some sort of chat (txt, voice, etc), and really think to yourself "I wonder if the Dev's planned for a game with 13 million playing it, planned on having asshole and fucktards in their game making it unenjoyable for others? No they just want to make a game that is awesome and kickass that you can play with your friends. You simply can't remove the human/fucktard element out of these games. You can try, but again if ya have a huge gamerbase (like say COD Warzone), it's always a players do something, then dev's react.
Do you think Valorant's team started posting on the internet "We are looking for asshole to come fuck with others players and help make our gaming experience toxic!"?
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 25, 2021, 11:47
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 25, 2021, 11:47
Feb 25, 2021, 11:47
 
Seems clear enough.
As being gay is less reviled, the chances of noticing, thinking about the matter, and socializing with admitted gay people grows.
Opportunity, curiosity, or if even if initially disinterested, meeting a person that draws your attention, be it cerebral or physical, against all your mores.
Then unplanned / unexpected events may follow.
And of course, some people will get into it for whatever reason, some clueless/bored/bold people always try anything with whatever results.





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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 25, 2021, 14:26
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 25, 2021, 14:26
Feb 25, 2021, 14:26
 
VaranDragon wrote on Feb 25, 2021, 02:25:
jdreyer wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:52:
Jivaro wrote on Feb 24, 2021, 15:33:
I understand their sentiment and appreciate it for it's intention.....but I am skeptical. Hopefully it turns out as intended I guess.

If they build a tolerant environment, shouldn't their wish just happen naturally? Just don't tolerate misogynist and homophobic assholes, and the rest takes care of itself.

Speaking of which, I saw this today and found it interesting:
1 in 6 Gen Z adults are LGBT. And this number could continue to grow.

I don't buy it. Call me oldf-ashioned but I believe that sexual orientation is mostly decided by biology. We are animals after all, thinking ones, but sex is something that is instinctive to us. We don't choose our sexual orientation we are born with it. If that article is factual, then these kids are just caving in to the social norms that are imposed upon them today. It's not only acceptable to be LGBT today, it's actually COOL, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are just pretending.

It *could* a fad thing, I can't deny based on how my straight daughter talks about LGBTQ stuff frequently. However, supposedly everyone is on a spectrum, so my thought is that if you had a 20% homosexual proclivity in your genetic makeup, in the past you'd suppress it or not admit it on a survey due to the devastating stigma. These days with it being more acceptable, so people don't avoid admitting it, resulting in the larger response rates.
'I am' is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that 'I do' is the longest sentence? - GC
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