All of you gun toting fanatics should just go out into the streets and shoot it out with the assholes who want to ban video games. I have a strange feeling that it would be a pretty fair fight as far as armaments are concerned.

HorrorScope wrote on Feb 23, 2021, 11:12:
The only question is, does it have a chance? A single person introducing a bill means little, there are tons of left field "bills" put forth over a personal feeling. It's when it becomes probable is when it gets real.

None. The guy that proposed it is heavily involved in anti-carjacking stuff. Hence where this came from. If you have family members killed in a grand theft auto, then GTA may be kind of horrifying to you.

But that doesn't mean it should be banned. I don't know if this guy believes it should be, or if this is symbolic, or just grandstanding. But it has zero chance of passing. Less than zero. As others mentioned, it would almost definitely be killed by the SC.

Angrius Maximis wrote on Feb 23, 2021, 11:43:
As if this fucking loser state I live in isnt bad enough...we get this

Amen. Although I do like that they don't tax my retirement income.

The pu$$ification of the west is almost complete.

El Pit wrote on Feb 23, 2021, 10:12:
So, no more MMA, wrestling, and boxing broadcasting/games - too much violence with fists and feet? No more racing broadcasting and games - too many people dying in car crashes or hit and runs? It's actually too easy to call Jack Thompson II out - he is obviously just fishing for publicity.

Canada is looking to ban airsoft, pellet, bb and cap guns... one group that lobbied the government (a group of Doctors no less.) called them "gateway guns".

As if this fucking loser state I live in isnt bad enough...we get this

The only question is, does it have a chance? A single person introducing a bill means little, there are tons of left field "bills" put forth over a personal feeling. It's when it becomes probable is when it gets real.

I played GTA V for 2 weeks and thought I was ready. But time before last when I jumped in someone's car I realized I forgot my mouse so couldn't go anywhere. But last time I remembered my mouse but no matter how much I pressed the left mouse button the car would not accelerate. Im stymied.

EDIT: OHhhhh its my keyboard. Silly me. I will take my keyboard with me next time. Im sure it will work.

So, no more MMA, wrestling, and boxing broadcasting/games - too much violence with fists and feet? No more racing broadcasting and games - too many people dying in car crashes or hit and runs? It's actually too easy to call Jack Thompson II out - he is obviously just fishing for publicity.

Saboth wrote on Feb 23, 2021, 06:54:

Beamer wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 22:12:

Caslon wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 21:56:
Studies have already proven no corrilation between violent video games and an overall increase in violent crime statistics.


And others prove there is.

However, not in the way this bill addresses. This bill is asinine and wrong headed.

The ones that do typically show an increase in short-term aggression and a violent video game. Meaning someone gets "fired up" from playing them and might roughhouse siblings or something. None of them have proven any long-term connection between violence and video games.

And they show normalizing. Like how we know, conclusively, that smoking in movies increases smoking overall.
So, as you said, it can either raise energy, or normalize small acts of violence. Grand theft auto is not a small act of violence. There are absolutely isolated incidents of some idiots seeing something big and stupid and violent somewhere, thinking it's cool, and doing it. Those copycats were primed and would be set off by anything. They weren't good people going bad, they were bad people that were going to do a bad thing, regardless. Which is why this is so stupid.

Fight Club led to more violence in that it inspired fight clubs (or friends deciding to try a fist fight), which were consensual and mostly harmless. It normalized bad sunglasses. It did not lead to anyone bombing banking/credit buildings (plus, we all know now you need to go after the data in the cloud!)

Does Grand theft Auto sell a different version in Chicago than the rest of the United States.
That would explain it.

Beamer wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 22:12:

Caslon wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 21:56:
Studies have already proven no corrilation between violent video games and an overall increase in violent crime statistics.


And others prove there is.

However, not in the way this bill addresses. This bill is asinine and wrong headed.

The ones that do typically show an increase in short-term aggression and a violent video game. Meaning someone gets "fired up" from playing them and might roughhouse siblings or something. None of them have proven any long-term connection between violence and video games.

Guns and knives kill people. Cigarrettes too. Best ban those just in case.

Tusker wrote on Feb 23, 2021, 05:51:

Bopper wrote on Feb 23, 2021, 04:09:
"...a bill that would ban the sale of Grand Theft Auto and other violent video games."

and

"preventing some video games from being sold to minors."

are quite different things.

Yep. The law currently prevents some games being sold to minors; this bill is to expand the law to prevent them being sold to anyone.

Presumably, this law will only apply to retailers operating in Illinois. Evans is going to flip out when he hears about digital delivery platforms.

The current law is completely inoperative since SCOTUS has already declared such laws unconstitutional.

Bopper wrote on Feb 23, 2021, 04:09:
"...a bill that would ban the sale of Grand Theft Auto and other violent video games."

and

"preventing some video games from being sold to minors."

are quite different things.

Yep. The law currently prevents some games being sold to minors; this bill is to expand the law to prevent them being sold to anyone.

Presumably, this law will only apply to retailers operating in Illinois. Evans is going to flip out when he hears about digital delivery platforms.

I look forward to them also banning religion as it's the basis for every war ever. 100s of millions dead but that's ok.

"...a bill that would ban the sale of Grand Theft Auto and other violent video games."

and

"preventing some video games from being sold to minors."

are quite different things. The former is government censorship and generally a bad idea, the latter is a sensible option. Parents will still be able to buy the games for their kids and it should be their responsibility to check what they are playing. Regardless, the law is probably largely irrelevant as kids can get their hands on the games if they want to. An easier option is to put an age restriction option on the console itself.

That being said, the sentence "With carjackings on the rise in Chicago and elsewhere, a South Side Democratic state representative has introduced a bill that would ban the sale of Grand Theft Auto and other violent video games." is rather ridiculous as there is no correlation between these two things as far as I know. If anything I would assume having these games would lower the incidents of carjackings by minors.

Maybe the government should try to tackle poverty, poor family structures and lack of education before looking for scapegoats for their own failings.

VaranDragon wrote on Feb 23, 2021, 03:41:
I guess violent video games are easier to ban than personal automatic assault weapons.

I guess video games needs its own constitutional amendment:
A well regulated Entertainment System, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Video Games, shall not be infringed.

As noted in the article this has already been addressed by the courts:

https://apps.oyez.org/player/#/roberts6/opinion_announcement_audio/23000

I guess violent video games are easier to ban than personal automatic assault weapons.