I am never flying again.....lol

RedEye9 wrote on Feb 23, 2021, 07:29:

eRe4s3r wrote on Feb 23, 2021, 01:43:
These P&W engines are all the same 30+ years old antiques, different models, same construction dates. It affects ALL Boeing planes.

The PW4000 series has also been used on the
Airbus A300-600
Airbus A310-300
Airbus A330
McDonnell Douglas MD-11

I'd expect increased inspections on all jets using PW4000 variants that utilized the hollow blade design.

Yep, that is certainly a neat thing about this all... especially as 2 incidents in 1 day is gonna trigger a LOT of questions (and yes, not just for Boeing, but in these incidents only Boeing was affected)

eRe4s3r wrote on Feb 23, 2021, 01:43:
These P&W engines are all the same 30+ years old antiques, different models, same construction dates. It affects ALL Boeing planes.

The PW4000 series has also been used on the
Airbus A300-600
Airbus A310-300
Airbus A330
McDonnell Douglas MD-11

I'd expect increased inspections on all jets using PW4000 variants that utilized the hollow blade design.

RedEye9 wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 09:46:

RedEye9 wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 07:38:

RedEye9 wrote on Feb 21, 2021, 20:00:
United takes 24 Boeing 777s out of service as the FAA orders inspections following engine failure

Boeing is now calling for the grounding of all 777's worldwide with the particular engine.
128 total

The Dutch were investigating an incident in which a Boeing 747-400 cargo plane dropped engine parts after takeoff from Maastricht airport Saturday. There was some damage and injuries on the ground. It landed safely.
The 747 had a similar Pratt and Whitney engine.

These P&W engines are all the same 30+ years old antiques, different models, same construction dates. It affects ALL Boeing planes.

oh no..the worst car I ever owned was a 2006 PT Cruiser. Loved it at first, hated it after one year.

Jivaro wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 17:25:

Mr. Tact wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 15:15:

jdreyer wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 15:00:

Mr. Tact wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 14:01:
I bought a Ford once, my 1989 Mustang GT. I bought it brand new, great car. Drove it for about 13 years, 130k miles and never replaced the clutch. Huge 5th gear, 80 mph was 2,000 rpm. Gotta love the torque you can get out of V8. It was the last time I bought a car from a US manufacturer.

I bet that Mustang was a total chick magnet. You dog!

A gentleman doesn't kiss and tell.

The only non-American brand I have bought myself was a 2002 Mitsubishi Eclipse. "Patriotic Red" (everything was patriotic the year after 9/11), black soft top convertible with a black leather interior. 0-75 crazy fast, 75-120 over the course of a 5 minutes..lol Anyway, I loved that car and it never gave me a single issue. Unfortunately, due to my back injury, I had to sell it after only 2 years and 50k miles. What's weird about all of this is I am truly not one of those "Buy American cars only" people. It's just kinda how it shook out so far.

IIRC Chrysler sold the Eclipse under a different name. You could have had your cake, and eaten it too.

Jivaro wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 17:25:
The only non-American brand I have bought myself was a 2002 Mitsubishi Eclipse. "Patriotic Red" (everything was patriotic the year after 9/11), black soft top convertible with a black leather interior. 0-75 crazy fast, 75-120 over the course of a 5 minutes..lol Anyway, I loved that car and it never gave me a single issue. Unfortunately, due to my back injury, I had to sell it after only 2 years and 50k miles. What's weird about all of this is I am truly not one of those "Buy American cars only" people. It's just kinda how it shook out so far.

The 80s and 90s were a not a good time for US car manufacturers. It was during this time I acquired a general distrust of US car quality, despite my good experience with the Mustang. I knew a lot of people who had bad experiences with US cars. And in the mid 2000s when I was looking for a new car (after I had bought my house), none of them were making what I was looking for anyway. I would have like to have bought a Nissan Maxima, but didn't want to spend that much. So, I settled for an Nissan Altima, with a manual transmission. No US car maker had anything like that at the time. These days I would consider a US car, if they were making what I was looking for. But truthfully, it would either have to offer something I couldn't get else where or be a heck of a deal. I figure Nissan has done more than enough to earn my loyalty.

Mr. Tact wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 15:15:

jdreyer wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 15:00:

Mr. Tact wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 14:01:
I bought a Ford once, my 1989 Mustang GT. I bought it brand new, great car. Drove it for about 13 years, 130k miles and never replaced the clutch. Huge 5th gear, 80 mph was 2,000 rpm. Gotta love the torque you can get out of V8. It was the last time I bought a car from a US manufacturer.

I bet that Mustang was a total chick magnet. You dog!

A gentleman doesn't kiss and tell.

The only non-American brand I have bought myself was a 2002 Mitsubishi Eclipse. "Patriotic Red" (everything was patriotic the year after 9/11), black soft top convertible with a black leather interior. 0-75 crazy fast, 75-120 over the course of a 5 minutes..lol Anyway, I loved that car and it never gave me a single issue. Unfortunately, due to my back injury, I had to sell it after only 2 years and 50k miles. What's weird about all of this is I am truly not one of those "Buy American cars only" people. It's just kinda how it shook out so far.

jdreyer wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 15:00:

Mr. Tact wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 14:01:
I bought a Ford once, my 1989 Mustang GT. I bought it brand new, great car. Drove it for about 13 years, 130k miles and never replaced the clutch. Huge 5th gear, 80 mph was 2,000 rpm. Gotta love the torque you can get out of V8. It was the last time I bought a car from a US manufacturer.

I bet that Mustang was a total chick magnet. You dog!

A gentleman doesn't kiss and tell.

Mr. Tact wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 14:01:
I bought a Ford once, my 1989 Mustang GT. I bought it brand new, great car. Drove it for about 13 years, 130k miles and never replaced the clutch. Huge 5th gear, 80 mph was 2,000 rpm. Gotta love the torque you can get out of V8. It was the last time I bought a car from a US manufacturer.

I bet that Mustang was a total chick magnet. You dog!

I bought a Ford once, my 1989 Mustang GT. I bought it brand new, great car. Drove it for about 13 years, 130k miles and never replaced the clutch. Huge 5th gear, 80 mph was 2,000 rpm. Gotta love the torque you can get out of V8. It was the last time I bought a car from a US manufacturer.

Hmm, I don't perma-boycott, which I think is what you are thinking. Like, I talked about the Ford Pinto in the 70s, but my last 4 car purchases (all in the last 3 years) have all been Ford's. (wife, me, both daughters) Actions change things, changing who runs things changes things, and of course...who is making the parts and where are they buying them from changes things. Engine and transmission combinations mean quite a bit in cars. Some cars have a shitty v6 and a solid 4 cylinder as options and most consumers, I think, would automatically assume the V6 is the better car, when in fact that might not be the case. Ford pickups had trouble not so long ago where three different versions of there V8 were head gasket nightmares, but the fourth one was spectacular. So yeah, I get what you are saying but we are way too early in this process to simply put my life in the hands of Boeing. Regardless of the issue, I kinda feel like the buck stops with them. IMHO anyway

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 12:52:
You boycotting Boeing isn't out of the question, just... I don't see the end game for that, you will end up boycotting every aircraft/car manufacturer, with a little research.

Well said. As far as I can tell so far, these 777 failures have nothing to do with Boeing. Now if you wanted to avoid Boeing on principal based on entirety of their record with the 737-Max, that I could understand. Although it would leave you with limited options if you want to fly within the US. A quick look at multiple airline flights show a ton of Boeing planes...

Jivaro wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 01:32:
I hear you MoreLuckThanSkill, but there is a logic circuit in my brain that says that if a particular brand gets exposed for purposely letting people die to save money, I am an idiot for doing business with them. It's not a fear of flying so much as that "gut feeling" that I should stay away.

Also, of course, during C19...don't fly is the best possible option.

Well, as Redeye pointed out, it's an engine issue (probably a blade issue), which aren't even made by Boeing, and those B777s with those particular engines (Boeing has like 3-4 companies making B777 engines? I forget) are being grounded. I'm just saying, don't look too deeply into Airbus or any other aircraft corporation either.

I think almost every corporation/brand has been exposed by now, for doing some horribly inhumane shit. The real challenge is finding a company that hasn't done something horrible, causing loss of life, or using child labor, or getting materials from slave labor, etc. etc.

You boycotting Boeing isn't out of the question, just... I don't see the end game for that, you will end up boycotting every aircraft/car manufacturer, with a little research.

Of course, that B777 landing with one engine exploded should be at least a little encouraging, the engineering in modern aircraft is amazing, even when some shit goes sideways. Not the blades though, most stayed inside, and some got blocked by the cowling as designed!

RedEye9 wrote on Feb 22, 2021, 07:38:

RedEye9 wrote on Feb 21, 2021, 20:00:
United takes 24 Boeing 777s out of service as the FAA orders inspections following engine failure

Boeing is now calling for the grounding of all 777's worldwide with the particular engine.
128 total

The Dutch were investigating an incident in which a Boeing 747-400 cargo plane dropped engine parts after takeoff from Maastricht airport Saturday. There was some damage and injuries on the ground. It landed safely.
The 747 had a similar Pratt and Whitney engine.

RedEye9 wrote on Feb 21, 2021, 20:00:
United takes 24 Boeing 777s out of service as the FAA orders inspections following engine failure

Boeing is now calling for the grounding of all 777's worldwide with the particular engine.
128 total

jdreyer wrote on Feb 21, 2021, 17:57:

PHJF wrote on Feb 21, 2021, 17:45:

bjack wrote on Feb 21, 2021, 15:51:
Dawn of News graphic <3
I'm glad they never bothered making Dawn of War 3 and stopped when they realized 1 & 2 were great.

Uhhhh Dawn of War 3 came out in 2017. It was terrible.

DoW 3 never came out. And you can't convince me otherwise.

When something is so bad, sometimes folk will deny its existence.

Or they flat out forgot it existed.. I know that happened for me with THAT
But I still sometimes watch the trailer - because that trailer is 100% WH40k, but the game.. wasn't....

I hear you MoreLuckThanSkill, but there is a logic circuit in my brain that says that if a particular brand gets exposed for purposely letting people die to save money, I am an idiot for doing business with them. It's not a fear of flying so much as that "gut feeling" that I should stay away.

Also, of course, during C19...don't fly is the best possible option.

The world is strange.
On a whim, after 13 years, I decided **today** to play Portal (first time).
Installed it, but as always also sought mods.

So gonna play first the fan made Portal Prelude v1.1.5 plus two .zip fixes (otherwise fails on starting short videos).
It's a finalist in Moddb mod of the year 2008.
Had to re-download in another site to get a working exe.
Run Portal 1 first, closed it.
Closed Steam, opened it, and there! Mod was listed, and started perfectly.
(Also downloaded Portal_Epic_Edition-v2_4.zip from Moddb that enhances Portal 1 for later).
Had my HMD on, ready to fire VorpX, but decided to recharge it first, so came to read Blue's News, and Portal was mentioned

Jivaro wrote on Feb 21, 2021, 15:54:
I already told my wife I will never get on a Boeing aircraft again and flying in any aircraft is not a thing I am doing anytime soon. Between the industry itself using a cost benefit analysis to decide whether to fix a problem or not on several occasions in my lifetime and stupid people in a pandemic being stupid....an airplane is the last place I want to be anytime soon. I realize this particular issue might have had more to do with the airline then Boeing, but that doesn't exactly make me feel better..lol.

Cost Benefit Analysis by industries occur in all walks of life, unfortunately. The same thing happens for recalls for automobiles, train parts, boat parts, you name it. They just recalled thousands of snow blowers last week(or just a few days ago?) because the automatic shut off for the blades could fail under certain circumstances. Nothing will ever be perfect, and fixing stuff or redesigning stuff unfortunately isn't free. All we can try to do is have a strong, non-corrupt government to regulate industry, and keep accidents/fatalities to a minimum, as much as humanly possible.

Even with these few high profile crashes and non-crashes, flying is statistically the safest form of travel by a gigantic margin. Even losing an entire engine, a 777 especially can fly almost a thousand miles, if needed (depending on fuel, etc.) . Airline regulations, not aircraft design limitations, make pilots turn around and go home when losing 1 engine on modern aircraft. Did Boeing do some underhanded shit that resulted in lives lost in the B737 MAX? Yes. Will the B737 MAX be far safer when it's returned to flight after this series of debacles? Yes.

In another post, you ask about a software fix to a hardware issue... I see what you're saying but that's not literally the case for the B737 MAX fix, they are adding 1 or more sensors (hardware) in addition to updating software, and depending on the airline, adding some additional fixes/protocols.

You would be flabbergasted to see how many flights occur, in the USA alone, with no incident every day. Even B737 MAXes that weren't grounded for various reasons are flying around now. That's partially why airline crashes or malfunctions make the news, it's literally so rare for such things to occur. Plus the massive increase in cellphone videos being immediately put online, of course.

All of that said, a lot of people will always have a fear of flying, because yes, if everything goes wrong, the aircraft can fall out of the damned sky. That being said, driving in most of the world is statistically much more dangerous to your health than flying. Nothing will ever be completely safe as long as humans are involved though.

*EDIT* Besides, don't fly right now due to COVID19(and the new strains), not fear of statistically improbable accidents.

*EDIT* Typos, grammar.

This comment was edited on Feb 22, 2021, 00:26.