Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2021, 06:26:
Aren't these each 100 hour games?

How many adults have the time to play 300 or so hours of a linear game they've already played?

Probably the same people that put a 1000 hours into a game, and then leave a negative review because "there's nothing left to do.".

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2021, 06:26:
Aren't these each 100 hour games?

How many adults have the time to play 300 or so hours of a linear game they've already played?

ME 20-45 hours
https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=5698
ME 2 25-50 hours
https://howlongtobeat.com/game?id=5699
ME 3 25-50 hours
https://howlongtobeat.com/game?id=5707

WItcher 3 52-172 hours
https://howlongtobeat.com/game?id=10270

Aren't these each 100 hour games?

How many adults have the time to play 300 or so hours of a linear game they've already played?

Kxmode wrote on Feb 4, 2021, 01:34:

Razumen wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 22:32:

Kxmode wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 17:43:
You underestimate the newbie numbers. There are WAY more who have played and own copies of the games than those who have not.

The series sold 14 million copies, last I checked that isn't anywhere near the majority of people on earth, much less the number of people in the game's target audience. ME3 also came out 8 years ago, that's more than enough time for millions more of potential new customers to try the games out for the first time.

The series being age-restricted (M for Mature; 17+) means nobody of consequence (your alluded target audience) would be able to play because the oldest title in the series is 14 years old. That means the only people who have never played is, first and foremost, an adult who is not a gamer, recently became one, or doesn't care about the Mass Effect series in general. Providing a 25% discount to customers who purchased any of the ME games is an excellent way of saying thanks to the fans who helped make the series a blockbuster success.

What world do you live in? Kids play M rated games all the time.

And you're also assuming that everyone in the world has both heard of the game AND decided is not for them, which is not an accurate reflection of reality. You're just WAY off about the potential market.

Razumen wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 22:32:

Kxmode wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 17:43:
You underestimate the newbie numbers. There are WAY more who have played and own copies of the games than those who have not.

The series sold 14 million copies, last I checked that isn't anywhere near the majority of people on earth, much less the number of people in the game's target audience. ME3 also came out 8 years ago, that's more than enough time for millions more of potential new customers to try the games out for the first time.

The series being age-restricted (M for Mature; 17+) means nobody of consequence (your alluded target audience) would be able to play because the oldest title in the series is 14 years old. That means the only people who have never played is, first and foremost, an adult who is not a gamer, recently became one, or doesn't care about the Mass Effect series in general. Providing a 25% discount to customers who purchased any of the ME games is an excellent way of saying thanks to the fans who helped make the series a blockbuster success.

Kxmode wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 17:43:
You underestimate the newbie numbers. There are WAY more who have played and own copies of the games than those who have not.

The series sold 14 million copies, last I checked that isn't anywhere near the majority of people on earth, much less the number of people in the game's target audience. ME3 also came out 8 years ago, that's more than enough time for millions more of potential new customers to try the games out for the first time.

VaranDragon wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 09:47:

Kxmode wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 05:02:

VaranDragon wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 03:42:

Kxmode wrote on Feb 2, 2021, 14:49:
$60. That's a steep price for what is essentially a bundled 4K upgrade. Not offering any discount to those who already forked over ~$200 for the three games and DLCs is a terrible business decision.

If people end up buying it in droves (and you can bet most idiots will suck it up and ask for more) how is it a terrible business decision?

Because I already own all three products plus the DLCs. I'm not spending $60 for the nicety of 4K graphics.

By the way, read the Steam forums. A lot of people take issue with the price. I agree with their sentiment. There's no justification for charging $60 for what is a bundled textured upgrade. It's not even a remake like Mafia: Definitive Edition or Command & Conquer Remastered Collection, both of which are under $40.

So because you have determined that it's not worth it to you (and yeah I agree with you on that) that somehow means that it's a bad business decision? You might wanna check that ego at the door bud. Plenty of fresh young gamers (meat) have not played Mass Effect, and a lot that have are dumbass gamers that spend money on dumb shit left right and center. If this is marketed correctly (at least we can agree that EA does that shit right if everything else wrong) I think it will sell rather well.

You underestimate the newbie numbers. There are WAY more who have played and own copies of the games than those who have not. By the way, most of those who would be newbies are too young to play the games as its rated M for Mature (17+). ME1 released in November 20, 2007 (14 years ago).

Razumen wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 07:34:

Kxmode wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 05:02:

VaranDragon wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 03:42:

Kxmode wrote on Feb 2, 2021, 14:49:
$60. That's a steep price for what is essentially a bundled 4K upgrade. Not offering any discount to those who already forked over ~$200 for the three games and DLCs is a terrible business decision.

If people end up buying it in droves (and you can bet most idiots will suck it up and ask for more) how is it a terrible business decision?

Because I already own all three products plus the DLCs. I'm not spending $60 for the nicety of 4K graphics.

By the way, read the Steam forums. A lot of people take issue with the price. I agree with their sentiment. There's no justification for charging $60 for what is a bundled textured upgrade. It's not even a remake like Mafia: Definitive Edition or Command & Conquer Remastered Collection, both of which are under $40.

So then don't buy it?

Never understood the complaints from people that have played all of the series and expect every new re-release to be cheaper just for them.

Also, they've done more than just slap new textures on. It's not as dramatic as a full remake, which I would expect to be more expensive, not less.

I made it clear I'm not buying it. (e.g., "I'm not spending $60 for the nicety of 4K graphics.") As a customer of all three products and the DLCs, I have the customer right to complain about the price. That is to say speak up and disagree with it.

Kxmode wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 05:02:

VaranDragon wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 03:42:

Kxmode wrote on Feb 2, 2021, 14:49:
$60. That's a steep price for what is essentially a bundled 4K upgrade. Not offering any discount to those who already forked over ~$200 for the three games and DLCs is a terrible business decision.

If people end up buying it in droves (and you can bet most idiots will suck it up and ask for more) how is it a terrible business decision?

Because I already own all three products plus the DLCs. I'm not spending $60 for the nicety of 4K graphics.

By the way, read the Steam forums. A lot of people take issue with the price. I agree with their sentiment. There's no justification for charging $60 for what is a bundled textured upgrade. It's not even a remake like Mafia: Definitive Edition or Command & Conquer Remastered Collection, both of which are under $40.

So because you have determined that it's not worth it to you (and yeah I agree with you on that) that somehow means that it's a bad business decision? You might wanna check that ego at the door bud. Plenty of fresh young gamers (meat) have not played Mass Effect, and a lot that have are dumbass gamers that spend money on dumb shit left right and center. If this is marketed correctly (at least we can agree that EA does that shit right if everything else wrong) I think it will sell rather well.

Kxmode wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 05:02:

VaranDragon wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 03:42:

Kxmode wrote on Feb 2, 2021, 14:49:
$60. That's a steep price for what is essentially a bundled 4K upgrade. Not offering any discount to those who already forked over ~$200 for the three games and DLCs is a terrible business decision.

If people end up buying it in droves (and you can bet most idiots will suck it up and ask for more) how is it a terrible business decision?

Because I already own all three products plus the DLCs. I'm not spending $60 for the nicety of 4K graphics.

By the way, read the Steam forums. A lot of people take issue with the price. I agree with their sentiment. There's no justification for charging $60 for what is a bundled textured upgrade. It's not even a remake like Mafia: Definitive Edition or Command & Conquer Remastered Collection, both of which are under $40.

So then don't buy it?

Never understood the complaints from people that have played all of the series and expect every new re-release to be cheaper just for them.

Also, they've done more than just slap new textures on. It's not as dramatic as a full remake, which I would expect to be more expensive, not less.

VaranDragon wrote on Feb 3, 2021, 03:42:

Kxmode wrote on Feb 2, 2021, 14:49:
$60. That's a steep price for what is essentially a bundled 4K upgrade. Not offering any discount to those who already forked over ~$200 for the three games and DLCs is a terrible business decision.

If people end up buying it in droves (and you can bet most idiots will suck it up and ask for more) how is it a terrible business decision?

Because I already own all three products plus the DLCs. I'm not spending $60 for the nicety of 4K graphics.

By the way, read the Steam forums. A lot of people take issue with the price. I agree with their sentiment. There's no justification for charging $60 for what is a bundled textured upgrade. It's not even a remake like Mafia: Definitive Edition or Command & Conquer Remastered Collection, both of which are under $40.

Kxmode wrote on Feb 2, 2021, 14:49:
$60. That's a steep price for what is essentially a bundled 4K upgrade. Not offering any discount to those who already forked over ~$200 for the three games and DLCs is a terrible business decision.

If people end up buying it in droves (and you can bet most idiots will suck it up and ask for more) how is it a terrible business decision?

Razumen wrote on Feb 2, 2021, 21:11:
But, gotta complain about something, right?

"Complain"

Netflix needs to make this into a series.

Simon Says wrote on Feb 2, 2021, 20:50:

Razumen wrote on Feb 2, 2021, 19:19:

Kxmode wrote on Feb 2, 2021, 17:05:
Charging $60 for something like that isn't very respectful to fans who already spent around $200. This response isn't an entitlement gripe but a complaint about EA's lack of pricing fairness on something they've already made a LOT of money from.

$20 for each game with ALL the DLC is pretty damn fair.

I just replayed the original trilogy with mods and reshade, I see no difference to very minimal differences.

Considering the original + all the graphical mods + reshade look practically the same...

60$ is a fucking joke.

If you played them all already, then this really isn't for you. Not like the price won't go down eventually either.

And you can't use mods and Reshade on consoles, and not everyone wants to deal with mods on PC either.

But, gotta complain about something, right?

Bioware is pretty desperate to remaster (not remake) the good Mass Effect games.

3 games for $60.

1 & 2 are $20 on steam and 3 is $30.

Not too shabby, If you're a first time buyer.

Razumen wrote on Feb 2, 2021, 19:19:

Kxmode wrote on Feb 2, 2021, 17:05:
Charging $60 for something like that isn't very respectful to fans who already spent around $200. This response isn't an entitlement gripe but a complaint about EA's lack of pricing fairness on something they've already made a LOT of money from.

$20 for each game with ALL the DLC is pretty damn fair.

I just replayed the original trilogy with mods and reshade, I see no difference to very minimal differences.

Considering the original + all the graphical mods + reshade look practically the same...

60$ is a fucking joke.

Kxmode wrote on Feb 2, 2021, 17:05:
Charging $60 for something like that isn't very respectful to fans who already spent around $200. This response isn't an entitlement gripe but a complaint about EA's lack of pricing fairness on something they've already made a LOT of money from.

$20 for each game with ALL the DLC is pretty damn fair.

Wow they finally released a game of the year edition. I actually played this just a couple years ago but didn't want to fork over 100 bucks for DLC, nice that there will eventually be a reasonable complete edition.

For my money, 1 is the best because you feel like you are in space, but 2 and 3 are good action movies that you can blast through in episodic chunks. 3 is basically an extended epilogue and its very personal. The multiplayer PvE wasn't bad either, though I think a bit overrated. No one remembers but they built the exact same multiplayer for Dragon Age Inq and everyone HATED it.

Edit: I see below that no multiplayer lol. EA just refuses to try very hard.