Okay..I have to know...

Is there anyone here that actually owns both a 3xxx series card and a PS5? If so, I have some lotto numbers I want you to pick for me...

Frijoles wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 16:06:
This article's main point is flawed. The PS5 doesn't exist. Months of searching for it proves this. Like those RTX 3080 cards.

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 16:51:

RedEye9 wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 16:49:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 16:47:
And that's even beyond the fact that NOBODY should be buying any GPU right now,

Why?

Because they are 50% to 200% above MSRP, duh

And maybe worse, because the 3xxx cards get updates in a few months that make the old cards obsolete

LAUGHS IN GLORIOUS RTX 3090 PERFORMANCE!

I'm a huge gamer and I updated my whole system for the first time in like 8 years not too long ago.
Granted I did a graphics card or two during that time.
However, if you stick with 1080p and don't go for cutting edge, PC's can easily outlast consoles, and still have better graphics. Heck you can get a prebuilt system if you don't want to deal with making one.
A large part of this is that many games nowadays are ports or multiplatform and the console cycle is so slow, it's easy to keep up.
Another large part is the pitiful advancements by CPU's (intel) over the past decade, like 5% a generation or whatever.

Now, going to 4k with max graphics settings in games? That's when you get into needing a 3080.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 18:20:
I'm still rocking a Microsoft Ergonomic 4000 keyboard and I couldn't give a fuck less about the switches in it. Probably a membrane keyboard but it works perfectly for what I play.

Hey, a fellow MS ergo lover! I actually have a couple of those... maybe I need to buy another as a spare. Because MS will for sure probably discontinue it some day like they've done their other hardware and keyboards that I used to be in love with.
Also, I need to go look up how I used to have that zoom toggle thing reprogrammed to scroll, I did that a long time ago on my previous computer.

Jivaro wrote on Jan 31, 2021, 02:00:

Cutter wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 23:04:
Well having just finished building my new PC a few weeks ago there is some truth to it. The most annoying part - and the most work - is doing the research for all the things you're going to go with. And then, because it's been six or seven years since I last built a rig, the actual build was a bit of a PITA because you forget the best way to go about building it. I made some missteps that had me cursing a blue streak at points. As I stated then I think this will probably be the last PC I ever build and will simply buy an assembled on next time.

I am not at the point where I am going to buy pre-assembled yet....but I hear/feel every word of that paragraph. My last build had me studying like it was a final exam while actually building it had me cussing like a sailor. I used to stay up on the hardware news between builds but I hardly have time to keep up on the games these days...let alone the hardware.

My last build had me discover that SATA cables are not always == SATA cables that actually work. I didn't just curse, I had to legit order fucking cables with instant delivery because my SSD's didn't want to work with the SATA cables they ALREADY HAD on my new board... talking about WTF experiences. And that I can't physically fit the case advertised fan-sizes (140mm) in the slots they assigned for them. As in, the case says 140mm will fit in front intake but it DOESN'T FIT. Whaa.. (It would fit, if you bent the metal parts apart to jank them in there... who designed this?????

Point is, I can 100% understand somebody not wanting to go through this, although it teaches you a lot.

Biggest teaching point: If a store description says X then that thing X doesn't actually have to be the case. Never trust measurements or anything related to measurements on store descriptions or hardware descriptions.

He forgot to mention the requirement to fine tune all the RGB hardware.

Cutter wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 23:04:
Well having just finished building my new PC a few weeks ago there is some truth to it. The most annoying part - and the most work - is doing the research for all the things you're going to go with. And then, because it's been six or seven years since I last built a rig, the actual build was a bit of a PITA because you forget the best way to go about building it. I made some missteps that had me cursing a blue streak at points. As I stated then I think this will probably be the last PC I ever build and will simply buy an assembled on next time.

I am not at the point where I am going to buy pre-assembled yet....but I hear/feel every word of that paragraph. My last build had me studying like it was a final exam while actually building it had me cussing like a sailor. I used to stay up on the hardware news between builds but I hardly have time to keep up on the games these days...let alone the hardware.

Well having just finished building my new PC a few weeks ago there is some truth to it. The most annoying part - and the most work - is doing the research for all the things you're going to go with. And then, because it's been six or seven years since I last built a rig, the actual build was a bit of a PITA because you forget the best way to go about building it. I made some missteps that had me cursing a blue streak at points. As I stated then I think this will probably be the last PC I ever build and will simply buy an assembled on next time.

And that is the weak point of his argument because you can buy a ready made customized PC just as easy as a console. Easier in fact since there's still a global shortage of new consoles. And while more expensive a PC isn't just for games. Consoles games are also more expensive and go on sale a lot slower. So why spend $500 on something that does one thing when for a few hundred more you can game, work, use it as an entertainment system, etc.?

I wouldn't be surprised if this article was sponsored by Sony. PC popularity is pretty high right now. Since the consoles are walled garden PCs, I imagine the console manufacturers would be concerned. It reminds me of the countless articles in years past pontificating that the pc was dead. Don't let them try to convince you. Opinion articles are valueless and this is click bate. I appreciate the article synopsis under the article to confirm.

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 16:51:

RedEye9 wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 16:49:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 16:47:
And that's even beyond the fact that NOBODY should be buying any GPU right now,

Why?

Because they are 50% to 200% above MSRP, duh

And maybe worse, because the 3xxx cards get updates in a few months that make the old cards obsolete

I have a 3080. I bought it from a scalper for like 10-15% over MSRP back in October. The 10GB isn't a bottleneck at all, even in Flight Sim. just cause it says 10GB VRAM is committed, doesn't mean 10GB is being used. I was apprehensive too, but so far it's all a big nothing burger. And with next gen consoles only having 16GB shared RAM/VRAM then I'm really not worried, as they're targeting 4k too.

Saboth wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 18:24:
I had no idea gaming on a PC is was so laborious. I feel like all I did was spend a weekend back around 2015 building a gaming PC, and then using my PC to game for the next 6 years without any effort. The real reason why I choose PC every time: " Your controller comes in the box" - no thanks. Most of my games don't even have controller support, and I don't even seek it.

And if you need a controller just buy one and plug it in, or just pair it if you have Bluetooth.

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 16:51:

RedEye9 wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 16:49:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 16:47:
And that's even beyond the fact that NOBODY should be buying any GPU right now,

Why?

Because they are 50% to 200% above MSRP, duh

And maybe worse, because the 3xxx cards get updates in a few months that make the old cards obsolete

Your fist point is very valid and something I didn't know because I'm not in the market for a new graphics card. However, I think there is even a more general point to be made about hardware in general. There is a silicon shortage according to some research I've done and literally almost everything is up in price right now, not just GPUs.

I've been looking at buying a GTX 1650 based laptop which is not the latest and greatest I could buy but I don't want to spend a $1,000 either. They are selling for $200+ dollars over their historically lowest available price. So, one could make the argument not to buy many components of electronics right now unless you just have to have it.

And to your second point, saying that something coming soon makes the past generation obsolete is not true. It might drive prices down, it might not. I have the patience to wait out these inflated prices but I'm not happy about it.

Saboth wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 18:24:
I had no idea gaming on a PC is was so laborious. I feel like all I did was spend a weekend back around 2015 building a gaming PC, and then using my PC to game for the next 6 years without any effort. The real reason why I choose PC every time: " Your controller comes in the box" - no thanks. Most of my games don't even have controller support, and I don't even seek it.

Ditto. Substitute six years ago for nine years ago, although I did switch in a 1080ti a couple years back.

bigspender wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 17:41:
I've never overclocked my CPU or changed out a cooling system in my 20 years of high end pc gaming....

Having said that, now that console games run 60fps at 120hz in 4K for a mere $499 is pretty good value right now. At least until PC's catch up and overtake in 12-24 months.

However the total cost of ownership is roughly the same, since you need to pay a monthly subscription to play online with consoles, and the generally more expensive game prices means you end up paying a very similar price to a high end PC over the course of 3-5 years.

Most 4K games on console are upscaled.

I had no idea gaming on a PC is was so laborious. I feel like all I did was spend a weekend back around 2015 building a gaming PC, and then using my PC to game for the next 6 years without any effort. The real reason why I choose PC every time: " Your controller comes in the box" - no thanks. Most of my games don't even have controller support, and I don't even seek it.

I think I changed out my CPU cooling system 21 years ago for liquid cooling and kept at it for about 5 years.I started with Danger Den gear. Since late 2005, though, I just ran the stock coolers because overclocking became pointless once OSes and software were no longer significantly bottlenecked by CPU throughput. Also, the average individual only replaces a CPU when their system dies or they replace it with a whole new system.

As for mice and keyboards, meh. Low single digit percentages aren't enough to waste hours "researching". I'm still rocking a Microsoft Ergonomic 4000 keyboard and I couldn't give a fuck less about the switches in it. Probably a membrane keyboard but it works perfectly for what I play. Got a Logitech G Pro mouse because it was on sale and my old mouse's sensor died. That was the extent of my "research". Oh, yeah, and I have a 360 controller that's more than a decade old. I don't remember buying it, it just kind of showed up in the parts bin.

Really, this article should be titled "I'm an ignorant feeb and here are the justifications for why I am choosing to remain ignorant." He (or perhaps she) even says it flat out that there are optimization problems. That's not a PC problem, that's a developer problem.

I've never overclocked my CPU or changed out a cooling system in my 20 years of high end pc gaming....

Having said that, now that console games run 60fps at 120hz in 4K for a mere $499 is pretty good value right now. At least until PC's catch up and overtake in 12-24 months.

However the total cost of ownership is roughly the same, since you need to pay a monthly subscription to play online with consoles, and the generally more expensive game prices means you end up paying a very similar price to a high end PC over the course of 3-5 years.

Gaming on consoles is meant for people who can't handle gaming on a PC. What a silly article!

RedEye9 wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 16:49:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 16:47:
And that's even beyond the fact that NOBODY should be buying any GPU right now,

Why?

Because they are 50% to 200% above MSRP, duh

And maybe worse, because the 3xxx cards get updates in a few months that make the old cards obsolete

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 30, 2021, 16:47:
And that's even beyond the fact that NOBODY should be buying any GPU right now,

Why?

Just a quick check

German Stores
3090
Available

Amazon.de
Playstation 5
Not available

Amazon.uk
Playstation 5
Not available

Mhhh

And that's even beyond the fact that NOBODY should be buying any GPU right now, unless they absolutely have to.