Gabe Newell on Brain Computer Interfaces

Gabe Newell talks to 1 News, telling the New Zealand outlet about Valve's interest in how brain computer interfaces (BCIs) could revolutionize the future of video games (thanks Acleacius). The Valve honcho tells them his company is currently working on an open-source software project to allow hardware like VR headsets to read brainwaves (Mark Zuckerberg's pant just got tighter). The article offers something for everyone, including some foot porn for you Quentin Tarantino types. Here's a bit, including how the implications of this go far beyond gaming:
He said BCIs will lead to gaming experiences far better than a player could get through their "meat peripherals" — as in, their eyes and ears.

"You're used to experiencing the world through eyes," Newell said, "but eyes were created by this low-cost bidder that didn't care about failure rates and RMAs, and if it got broken there was no way to repair anything effectively, which totally makes sense from an evolutionary perspective, but is not at all reflective of consumer preferences.

"So the visual experience, the visual fidelity we'll be able to create — the real world will stop being the metric that we apply to the best possible visual fidelity.

"The real world will seem flat, colourless, blurry compared to the experiences you'll be able to create in people's brains.

"Where it gets weird is when who you are becomes editable through a BCI," Newell said.

At the moment, people accept their feelings are just how they feel — but Newell says BCIs will soon allow the editing of these feelings digitally, which could be as easy as using an app.

"One of the early applications I expect we'll see is improved sleep — sleep will become an app that you run where you say, 'Oh, I need this much sleep, I need this much REM,'" he said.

Another benefit could be the reduction or total removal of unwanted feelings or conditions from the brain, for therapeutic reasons.
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theglaze wrote on Jan 25, 2021, 17:34:
I've had some pretty intense moments in Half-Life:Alyx with VR... not sure if I am onboard with experiencing those alien encounters in my brain.

PTSD will be a thing

LOL! i just got flash backs to me freaking out and shooting towards myself while a head crab is crawling on me.
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El Pit wrote on Jan 26, 2021, 05:35:
Gabe, just do it.

Man, the illegal software market for this will be huge! How much will the "XXX Date with Marilyn Monroe and Anne Hathaway" software cost?

Hideous 20th century flesh bags? They won't be able to give that crap away for free, not when your imagination is the only limit as Gabe says.
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Kxmode wrote on Jan 26, 2021, 02:23:
jdreyer wrote on Jan 25, 2021, 14:00:
Cutter wrote on Jan 25, 2021, 12:53:
"The real world will seem flat, colourless, blurry compared to the experiences you'll be able to create in people's brains.

Sounds like the most addictive drug ever. Hard pass.

I want the blue pill. Ignorance is bliss.

That steak is juicy and delicious.

Believe it or not you piece of shit you're still gonna burn!
Steam + PSN: PHJF
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VaranDragon wrote on Jan 26, 2021, 08:52:
You guys do realize that most of us will probably be dead of old age (or Corona 22) by the time any of this is anywhere even close to the tech level that Newell is talking about?
Well, I do. The question is should I be happy or sad about it?
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -- Carl Sagan
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You guys do realize that most of us will probably be dead of old age (or Corona 22) by the time any of this is anywhere even close to the tech level that Newell is talking about? (Also Holy Shit Gabe has gone full Hobbit, never go full Hobbit in New Zealand)
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Jan 26, 2021, 08:38
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He's basically talking about the singularity, or at least the first steps to that.

Razumen wrote on Jan 25, 2021, 19:12:
Brain-Computer interfaces mean the computer is interpreting signals from your brain, not sending signals to it. There's about ZERO chance of you going into a coma or something else ridiculous from it. It's Computer-Brain interfaces that you guys are thinking about which might prove to be more problematic depending on how invasive they are and how they function.
Whichever it is, I'm going to be getting one at some point.
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Gabe, just do it.

Man, the illegal software market for this will be huge! How much will the "XXX Date with Marilyn Monroe and Anne Hathaway" software cost?
"There is no right life in the wrong one." (Theodor W. Adorno, philosopher)
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi)
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WannaLogAlready wrote on Jan 25, 2021, 14:12:
Bill Gates, doctorate or none, has achieved so much.
He has dedicated years of his life to mankind welfare, and the poorest and more needful people, indeed.
Of course he has done wrong things and is not perfect, he is human, but has shown admirable traits.
Today the less capable, uninformed masses asume that disrespectful, jaded posture that no one is good enough.
No one meets their *high* standards.
All achievements are tainted, so if anyone seems to do good, it is with an ulterior motive (greed, power grabbing, harm groups, etc).
To them, Gabe Newell who has brought so many excellent possibilities to gamers, is just an ignorant, despicable money seeking man, you name it.

If all are as mediocre as themselves, they feel less inconsequential.

I think they don't respect themselves, and tend to think that no one deserves better.
And, not surprisingly, they support people that show that ugly demeaning disposition.


Surprisingly astute. Well said.
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jdreyer wrote on Jan 25, 2021, 14:00:
Cutter wrote on Jan 25, 2021, 12:53:
"The real world will seem flat, colourless, blurry compared to the experiences you'll be able to create in people's brains.

Sounds like the most addictive drug ever. Hard pass.

I want the blue pill. Ignorance is bliss.

That steak is juicy and delicious.
"Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times." - Those Who Remain by G. Michael Hopf
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Cutter wrote on Jan 25, 2021, 12:53:
"The real world will seem flat, colourless, blurry compared to the experiences you'll be able to create in people's brains.

Sounds like the most addictive drug ever. Hard pass.
I can imagine the crustaceans of the past said much the same thing about books, then TV and movies, and later videogames. XD
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Razumen wrote on Jan 25, 2021, 19:12:
Brain-Computer interfaces mean the computer is interpreting signals from your brain, not sending signals to it. There's about ZERO chance of you going into a coma or something else ridiculous from it. It's Computer-Brain interfaces that you guys are thinking about which might prove to be more problematic depending on how invasive they are and how they function.

I have seen Sword Art Online man! You can't fool me!

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BurntSoul wrote on Jan 25, 2021, 15:41:
As long as they can kill the majority of the, 'Total Recall' type bugs, I'm in.

Take my money.
The system is 100% bug free.
Now get your ass to Mars.
...get your ass to Mars.
...get your ass to Mars.
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theglaze wrote on Jan 25, 2021, 17:34:
I've had some pretty intense moments in Half-Life:Alyx with VR... not sure if I am onboard with experiencing those alien encounters in my brain.

PTSD will be a thing
It could also be good therapy.
"Even after you've had the COVID-19 vaccine, you still need to wash hands, watch distance and wear a mask because you can still transmit the virus even though you're not going to get sick." - NIH Director Dr. Francis Collins
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Aside from just reading people's brain signals, Newell also discussed the near-future reality of being able to write signals to people's mindsto change how they're feeling or deliver better-than-real visuals in games.“

Will they use some form of trim trash collection to free up erased memory cells for faster writes.

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Brain-Computer interfaces mean the computer is interpreting signals from your brain, not sending signals to it. There's about ZERO chance of you going into a coma or something else ridiculous from it. It's Computer-Brain interfaces that you guys are thinking about which might prove to be more problematic depending on how invasive they are and how they function.
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Braindance
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This sounds like he's talking about manipulating feelings? That's creepy as fuck and no-thank-you. Hell, I can achieve feelings of anger, joy, fear and remorse just by going to the toilet after a night of nuclear hot wings and tequila shots, I sure a hell don't need any help with THAT!
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I've had some pretty intense moments in Half-Life:Alyx with VR... not sure if I am onboard with experiencing those alien encounters in my brain.

PTSD will be a thing
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...and I thought the device that is literally plugged into my spinal cord was trippy.
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Really? Wow. The standard for removal is seemingly getting VERY low. I look forward to seeing if such a "high standard" is maintained. It will be a significant amount of effort to do so...
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -- Carl Sagan
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