Jivaro wrote on Jan 19, 2021, 21:30:
Put a better way, IMO, it sure is easier to have a dynasty when you have someone like Brady at QB.

I watched that comeback Superbowl live. Unbelievable jaw-dropping performance. We'll never see a Superbowl comeback like that again in our lifetimes.

Jivaro wrote on Jan 19, 2021, 15:04:
Brady wins the Super Bowl and anybody still arguing he is not the best is going to be pointed at and laughed at as a bitter troll. Even without that it's hard to make an argument that can be taken seriously.

He's undoubtedly the best. The Patriots were notoriously stingy for years and outside of 1-2 marquee players, people went there to make their name and then get a big payday elsewhere. They often made do with draft ignored players and second stringers. Brady at 43 is still playing football at a playoff level, that's just amazing on it's own. His record speaks for itself and he's one of the toughest competitors under pressure to ever play the sport. Who can ever forget Superbowl LI? No one can read the field like that guy, he's super human.

He's not the best athlete and he can't run to save his life but that's probably helped him avoid serious injury to keep his career and health intact. He's not my favorite player and his personality feels like PR firm pastiche but he's definitely the best overall QB to ever play.

Watching the inauguration.
Everyone looks so normal with relaxed body language from former presidents to members of the Supreme Court.
A-Rod is there but laughably trumpy is not, what a glorious thing.

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Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 19, 2021, 20:56:

Cutter wrote on Jan 19, 2021, 16:47:
The difference with Brady is that he was surrounded by the best team in football for a very long time. Rodgers had to do everything he's done with a team that was about 25%-50% as good on average. The fact that they screwed him in the last draft and he's still come back and produced one of his best seasons ever - hands down MVP easily - shows he's the King of GOATS. Brady is right up there absolutely, but playing with a dynasty sure makes things a hell of a lot easier.

Yeah, if only Tampa Bay had a top 10 quarterback they'd have been in the NFC title game multiple years in a row now... Okay, yeah -- it is a team game and in football QBs generally get too much of the credit and too much of the blame. No QB can complete a pass without a line blocking for him or without a receiver to catch the ball. Most Hall of Fame QBs have Hall of Fame receivers catching balls for them. Right or wrong though, in most sports it is all about the championships. Messi and Ronaldo get dinged for never having "won" the World Cup. Is it fair? Nope. But that's the way things work. And Brady's six titles, and 4 SB MVPs put him at the top. Oh and for the record, I am a Dallas fan.

in this case, it's easy to see brady's true value since he essentially took over an existing team. also goes to show how complete garbage jameis winston was, that he couldn't win with this team.

Put a better way, IMO, it sure is easier to have a dynasty when you have someone like Brady at QB.

Cutter wrote on Jan 19, 2021, 16:47:
The difference with Brady is that he was surrounded by the best team in football for a very long time. Rodgers had to do everything he's done with a team that was about 25%-50% as good on average. The fact that they screwed him in the last draft and he's still come back and produced one of his best seasons ever - hands down MVP easily - shows he's the King of GOATS. Brady is right up there absolutely, but playing with a dynasty sure makes things a hell of a lot easier.

Yeah, if only Tampa Bay had a top 10 quarterback they'd have been in the NFC title game multiple years in a row now... Okay, yeah -- it is a team game and in football QBs generally get too much of the credit and too much of the blame. No QB can complete a pass without a line blocking for him or without a receiver to catch the ball. Most Hall of Fame QBs have Hall of Fame receivers catching balls for them. Right or wrong though, in most sports it is all about the championships. Messi and Ronaldo get dinged for never having "won" the World Cup. Is it fair? Nope. But that's the way things work. And Brady's six titles, and 4 SB MVPs put him at the top. Oh and for the record, I am a Dallas fan.

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The difference with Brady is that he was surrounded by the best team in football for a very long time. Rodgers had to do everything he's done with a team that was about 25%-50% as good on average. The fact that they screwed him in the last draft and he's still come back and produced one of his best seasons ever - hands down MVP easily - shows he's the King of GOATS. Brady is right up there absolutely, but playing with a dynasty sure makes things a hell of a lot easier.

And it's a lot of other stuff too. Look at most of the sports dynasties regardless of their sport. It only happened because it was the right place and time where everything gelled - gelin' like a felon - with players, coaching staff in particular, and the rest of the org. Yeah, there's always the Gretzky's, Jordan's and Brady's of the world that stand out but it's always bigger than any one player. Vince Lombardi walked into Green Bay and within two seasons turned them from perennial losers into perennial winners.

Jivaro wrote on Jan 19, 2021, 15:04:
Brady wins the Super Bowl and anybody still arguing he is not the best is going to be pointed at and laughed at as a bitter troll. Even without that it's hard to make an argument that can be taken seriously.

It is an easy argument to say that is already the case. If he wins another even the Giant fans will have to admit it.

I checked, Tampa Bay has been to three prior NFC championship games. They faced the Rams twice and the Eagles once. So, this is the first time. Their Superbowl year was 2002 when they beat the Eagles. They lost both earlier games to the Rams.

Brady wins the Super Bowl and anybody still arguing he is not the best is going to be pointed at and laughed at as a bitter troll. Even without that it's hard to make an argument that can be taken seriously.

Blue wrote on Jan 19, 2021, 14:00:

Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 19, 2021, 12:48:
I hadn't paid close attention to New Orleans and was a bit surprised at Brees' inability to throw passes over 20 yards. It really allowed Tampa's defenders to sit on the routes/passing lanes. This has got to be the first TB vs GB conference title match, right? Heck, I remember when TB vs GB was the "Bay of Pigs"....

Yeah, the Bay of Pigs joke was the first thing I thought of too. Green Bay has been strong for a long time now, but the reversal of fortune for the Bucs is striking, and another feather in Tom Brady's cap, not that he needed more. I was sure Brady needed Belichick more than Belichick needed Brady. Guess he showed me.

Yeah, Brady sure is trying hard to make the argument "Best QB in History." It's hard to disagree with that sentiment.

Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 19, 2021, 12:48:
I hadn't paid close attention to New Orleans and was a bit surprised at Brees' inability to throw passes over 20 yards. It really allowed Tampa's defenders to sit on the routes/passing lanes. This has got to be the first TB vs GB conference title match, right? Heck, I remember when TB vs GB was the "Bay of Pigs"....

Yeah, the Bay of Pigs joke was the first thing I thought of too. Green Bay has been strong for a long time now, but the reversal of fortune for the Bucs is striking, and another feather in Tom Brady's cap, not that he needed more. I was sure Brady needed Belichick more than Belichick needed Brady. Guess he showed me.

I'm going with the Packers - obviously - and the Bills. Unlike the Browns whom I hoped would win I'm certain the Bills can win and probably pretty handily too. Bills and Pack just look way better than KC and TB atm IMO. I think a Bills vs. Packers Superbowl this season would be a one for the books.

Live fast, die hard. Never heard of him until the announcement of his death. Based on the NYT article there are plenty of children to continue spending the money.

I hadn't paid close attention to New Orleans and was a bit surprised at Brees' inability to throw passes over 20 yards. It really allowed Tampa's defenders to sit on the routes/passing lanes. This has got to be the first TB vs GB conference title match, right? Heck, I remember when TB vs GB was the "Bay of Pigs"....