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  • Forbes - ‘Cyberpunk 2077’ Reveals Mirror Anthem’s Failures With One Change: It’s Still A Hit. Thanks Acleacius.
    "And yet through it all, even if you can correctly call the launch of Cyberpunk 'disastrous' from a technical and uh, moral perspective, given the amount of deception involved, technically, we cannot overlook the fact that the game has achieved an entirely different end result than Anthem and others. It’s a hit. It’s a big hit, and unfortunately, I fear that that the takeaway for some, including the higher-ups at CDPR, may be that the ends justify the means."
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Jan 18, 2021, 14:56
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roguebanshee wrote on Jan 18, 2021, 04:04:
WaltC wrote on Jan 17, 2021, 16:30:
This opinion is why no one should ever go to Forbes for a worthwhile and insightful view of consumer computer technology and software...;) To think that anyone would compare Anthem with CyberPunk 2077 is--well--just nuts...;)
Fixating on the two games being compared is completely missing the core point of the article:

More executives will see that rushed and half-finished products can still sell massively with high amounts of pre-release marketing.

Well, you're not wrong, but I don't see how anything is going to change that perspective at this point. Release, then patch extensively, that seems to be the modus operandi for every game now.
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Jan 18, 2021, 14:02
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Jan 18, 2021, 14:02
 
NKD wrote on Jan 17, 2021, 16:17:
El Pit wrote on Jan 17, 2021, 14:09:
Forbes comparing a single-player offline game (at least the GOG version) to a multiplayer game as a service... Yes, experts. Absolutely the best experts are on it right now over at Forbes. /cue Indiana Jones theme

"Forbes" is just a blog hosting site. This is just some dudes blog.

Yeah stuff like this really shouldn't be posted here. At least not with that prominent "Forbes -" on the headline.
May as well put forum posts and livejournals here too.

Forbes does still have an official writing staff, but this guy isn't on it.
It used to be that you could tell the difference because the blogs would have that /sites/username formatted url... but I've seen their actual writers have those now too. So now you've gotta check their role "contributor" and "senior contributor" are the bloggers... it'll say "Forbes Staff" otherwise.
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Re: Op Ed
Jan 18, 2021, 04:59
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Jan 18, 2021, 04:59
 
Razumen wrote on Jan 17, 2021, 21:28:
The thing is it wasn't really THAT broken, not on PC at least. Janky, yes, buggy for sure, rushed: most definitely. But you could still play it from start to finish - my sister did so without encountering any really big bugs.

I got through the main story on a PS4 Pro without much hassle. It's definitely more buggy if you start pushing the edges or play extended sessions (3+ hours without restarting).

But first thing I also did was to turn off all the graphic options. I guess maybe some people consider the loss of lens flare and motion blur etc to be deal breakers...
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Jan 18, 2021, 04:04
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Jan 18, 2021, 04:04
 
WaltC wrote on Jan 17, 2021, 16:30:
This opinion is why no one should ever go to Forbes for a worthwhile and insightful view of consumer computer technology and software...;) To think that anyone would compare Anthem with CyberPunk 2077 is--well--just nuts...;)
Fixating on the two games being compared is completely missing the core point of the article:

More executives will see that rushed and half-finished products can still sell massively with high amounts of pre-release marketing.
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Jan 18, 2021, 01:35
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Jan 18, 2021, 01:35
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El Pit wrote on Jan 17, 2021, 14:09:
Forbes comparing a single-player offline game (at least the GOG version) to a multiplayer game as a service... Yes, experts. Absolutely the best experts are on it right now over at Forbes. /cue Indiana Jones theme

Yeah, apples and oranges here IMO. Anthem still isn't worth 5 bucks.
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Jan 17, 2021, 21:28
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Jan 17, 2021, 21:28
 
EricFate wrote on Jan 17, 2021, 13:44:
When a buggy, janky, broken game with potential is released as a single player product -- people inevitably find ways to get it working and mod in their own *fun*. When one is released as an online multiplayer product -- that course of action only serves to get you banned. So why bother?

The thing is it wasn't really THAT broken, not on PC at least. Janky, yes, buggy for sure, rushed: most definitely. But you could still play it from start to finish - my sister did so without encountering any really big bugs.
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Jan 17, 2021, 16:41
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Jan 17, 2021, 16:41
 
Seems you people can't see the forest from the trees. The real valid point the article makes is, will upper mgt only look at the success of CP and see it as the ends justify the means. THAT should really be your focus of the article not hair splitting the difference between the 2 games which is just a superficial part of the article.
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Jan 17, 2021, 16:30
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Jan 17, 2021, 16:30
 
This opinion is why no one should ever go to Forbes for a worthwhile and insightful view of consumer computer technology and software...;) To think that anyone would compare Anthem with CyberPunk 2077 is--well--just nuts...;) Only people who don't know what they are talking about would do so. Calling the ~14 million pre-orders for this game "a disaster" is such a ridiculous comment it's hard to understand the sentiment. Has nothing to do with "morals"--it's a mistake made often by game publishers for the past 20 years--it's called "premature release"...;) And, yes, it can be treated!

The main problem with CP2077 is merely that it was released six months prematurely. (You can't fix Anthem, imo. There's just nothing there.) So, that's it with CP2077--it's six months early. It was merely a poor managerial decision by people within CDPR management who think a lot like the people at Forbes think--they thought they had to release the game at Christmas or they would lose several million sales. Wrong--big games backed by big-rep developers can be released any time of the year--the holidays have almost nothing to do with those sales. Computer people who play computer games understand why this is so. Corporate bean counters do not. Obviously.

It still boggles my mind how the developers who created such a masterpiece in Witcher 3 could even develop a game like CP2077. Geralt is fairly original and enormously successful. CP2077 is just a failed attempt to one-up GTA. Conversely, can you picture Rockstar games doing a Witcher 3? Hah-hah...;) Me, neither!

Unfortunately, CDPR management has thrown a monkey wrench into the reputation of CDPR as a games developer at the very top of its game! The only reason there were nearly 14 million pre-orders was because of Geralt and the rep CDPR had earned with Witcher 3, in particular. Such a shame to see that reputation tarnished by the premature release of this game. I doubt CDPR will ever see the CP2077 numbers on pre-orders again. But I don't believe in pre-orders anyway unless they are accompanied by 40%-50% MSRP discounts...! Now that's a rational reason to pre-order, imo...;)
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Jan 17, 2021, 16:17
NKD
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Jan 17, 2021, 16:17
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El Pit wrote on Jan 17, 2021, 14:09:
Forbes comparing a single-player offline game (at least the GOG version) to a multiplayer game as a service... Yes, experts. Absolutely the best experts are on it right now over at Forbes. /cue Indiana Jones theme

"Forbes" is just a blog hosting site. This is just some dudes blog.
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Jan 17, 2021, 16:17
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MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Jan 17, 2021, 13:25:
What? Lol, Anthem wasn't even playable on release. It's still shit 2+ years later. Be reasonable.

Yeah, not really comparable.
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Jan 17, 2021, 15:55
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Jan 17, 2021, 15:55
 
Yeah, because the suits always love being sued by their shareholders and being publicly humiliated. Give me a break. They know they had - 'had' being the operative word - a ton of goodwill from GOG and W3, which has since been burned up needlessly. I think they'll be going the other way and not make that mistake again.
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Jan 17, 2021, 14:09
El Pit
 
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Jan 17, 2021, 14:09
 El Pit
 
Forbes comparing a single-player offline game (at least the GOG version) to a multiplayer game as a service... Yes, experts. Absolutely the best experts are on it right now over at Forbes. /cue Indiana Jones theme
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"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi)
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Jan 17, 2021, 13:44
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Jan 17, 2021, 13:44
 
When a buggy, janky, broken game with potential is released as a single player product -- people inevitably find ways to get it working and mod in their own *fun*. When one is released as an online multiplayer product -- that course of action only serves to get you banned. So why bother?
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Jan 17, 2021, 13:25
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Jan 17, 2021, 13:25
 
What? Lol, Anthem wasn't even playable on release. It's still shit 2+ years later. Be reasonable.
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