PHJF wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 17:25:

Benzer wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 15:54:
Why do people care what store the game comes from?

Because Epic is a company headed by a douchebag I want nothing to do with. I won't give them one red cent. More than that, I won't even take free shit from them.

So you've completely stopped buying games online?

Because all of the digital stores are headed by douchebags, even Steam. Gaben just doesn't do much publically.

WaltC wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 17:45:
Amusing when you consider that no one would sit still for Dell forcing their customers to buy their software exclusively though the Dell store and nowhere else, while Dell keeps 30% of the proceeds. Imagine if, on top of that, Dell decided what the owners of Dell computers could buy and what they could not. Nope, can't imagine that because no one would stand for it. Apple customers, however, are used to it. I hope that Epic succeeds--Apple software/hardware customers have been brow-beaten and dominated so long By Apple they no longer understand when they are being taken--even with $1k monitor stands...;)

Except, of course, that if Dell computers was forced to provide technical support for non-Dell software, and if Dell Computing was forced to provide infrastructure and distribution for all the non-Dell software companies, and, oh oh!, and if Dell wasn't being paid by any of the people using their framework, you'd be up in arms. Epic's argument is ridiculous - we want all of Apple's tools, analytics, data, support and framework, and we don't want to pay a single penny for it. They want all of the information from Apple's marketplace, they insist that Apple maintain their updates and connectivity work... It's not like Epic is doing this out of any sense of nobleness. They're literally trying to say "we shouldn't have to pay for any of this, because we don't want to, and we still demand you provide all of it."

Kxmode wrote on Jan 16, 2021, 01:07:

jdreyer wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 23:46:

fakespyder wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 21:28:
I don't understand their issue with Google. You can bypass Google Play via side loading.
Maybe Epic should spend some money educating users how to do so instead of wasting money on that Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite propaganda.

It's just that the vast majority of phone users aren't technical or savvy. Convenience trumps all. It's like if Google was the only place from which you could buy a house west of the Mississippi and you said, "I don't see the problem, people an just build their own home!"

Actually, the vast majority of people aren't technical or savvy. Remember the flashing 12:00 on new VCRs?

Fair points.
Side loading is something most people know little to nothing about. The thing is, it is easy to do. Maybe Epic could do a campaign to draw attention to it.
Hell, I managed it and I'm not particularly phone-savvy. I Haven't touched Google Play.

jdreyer wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 23:46:

fakespyder wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 21:28:
I don't understand their issue with Google. You can bypass Google Play via side loading.
Maybe Epic should spend some money educating users how to do so instead of wasting money on that Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite propaganda.

It's just that the vast majority of phone users aren't technical or savvy. Convenience trumps all. It's like if Google was the only place from which you could buy a house west of the Mississippi and you said, "I don't see the problem, people an just build their own home!"

Actually, the vast majority of people aren't technical or savvy. Remember the flashing 12:00 on new VCRs?

fakespyder wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 21:28:
I don't understand their issue with Google. You can bypass Google Play via side loading.
Maybe Epic should spend some money educating users how to do so instead of wasting money on that Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite propaganda.

It's just that the vast majority of phone users aren't technical or savvy. Convenience trumps all. It's like if Google was the only place from which you could buy a house west of the Mississippi and you said, "I don't see the problem, people an just build their own home!"

jdreyer wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 20:23:
I forget, has Epic sued them in the EU? I would expect them to get a better hearing there.

That's what I thought when I first saw who they were suing.
Australia would be another place to hit them.

I don't understand their issue with Google. You can bypass Google Play via side loading.
Maybe Epic should spend some money educating users how to do so instead of wasting money on that Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite propaganda.

I forget, has Epic sued them in the EU? I would expect them to get a better hearing there.

*shrug* As far as I am concerned every Apple customer gets exactly what they paid for, which is why I have never given them a single penny.

subx wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 18:31:

Enahs wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 16:29:
So they are suing Apple trying to get a court order for them to change their entire business model?

I thought their business model was exploiting far east workers and artificially slowing their older shiny bricks down.

Winging their own devices is a result of their monopoly position, so related to the lawsuit in that its a different symptom of the same problem.

WaltC wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 17:45:
Amusing when you consider that no one would sit still for Dell forcing their customers to buy their software exclusively though the Dell store and nowhere else, while Dell keeps 30% of the proceeds. Imagine if, on top of that, Dell decided what the owners of Dell computers could buy and what they could not. Nope, can't imagine that because no one would stand for it. Apple customers, however, are used to it. I hope that Epic succeeds--Apple software/hardware customers have been brow-beaten and dominated so long By Apple they no longer understand when they are being taken--even with $1k monitor stands...;)

It's a rare day where WaltC and I are in agreement.

subx wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 18:31:

Enahs wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 16:29:
So they are suing Apple trying to get a court order for them to change their entire business model?

I thought their business model was exploiting far east workers and artificially slowing their older shiny bricks down.

Fortnite has old shiny bricks?

Enahs wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 16:29:
So they are suing Apple trying to get a court order for them to change their entire business model?

I thought their business model was exploiting far east workers and artificially slowing their older shiny bricks down.

Amusing when you consider that no one would sit still for Dell forcing their customers to buy their software exclusively though the Dell store and nowhere else, while Dell keeps 30% of the proceeds. Imagine if, on top of that, Dell decided what the owners of Dell computers could buy and what they could not. Nope, can't imagine that because no one would stand for it. Apple customers, however, are used to it. I hope that Epic succeeds--Apple software/hardware customers have been brow-beaten and dominated so long By Apple they no longer understand when they are being taken--even with $1k monitor stands...;)

Benzer wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 15:54:
Why do people care what store the game comes from?

Because Epic is a company headed by a douchebag I want nothing to do with. I won't give them one red cent. More than that, I won't even take free shit from them.

The day that vendors get to install their own branded cashiers inside supermarkets and grocery stores is the day that I will be firmly behind letting Epic install their own cash register in Google and Apple's platforms.

Thats pretty much how the US was founded.

It's his ego, he has to constantly be the center of attention. He has villainized himself so badly, now he's trying to buy positive PR.
[Haha, you probably can't even tell who I'm talking about yet! ]

Tencent has so much cash, not sure they care BUT they sure would like to get controlling interest!

So they are suing Apple trying to get a court order for them to change their entire business model?

Benzer wrote on Jan 15, 2021, 15:54:
Why do people care what store the game comes from?

I'm fine with Epic's strategy, but there are differences. Gog offers DRM free games that run without a launcher. Steam has tons of support features like workshop, matchmaking, Let's Play Together, and lots of other stuff.