Intel giving us a list of the steaming turds they plan on laying. Count me out!

Overon wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 17:46:
Wait for independent benchmarking not press releases.

Truer words have never been spoked [sic]

Years after AMD did it they are finally getting PCIE 4

aka_STEVE wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 14:15:
The new Z590 is the first time Intel hasn't made users dump their stuff for a new socket design , in like decades ...

So they are definitely feeling the heat... ( just like their processors )

You got my hopes up dang you. It's the new socket 1200, not compatible with my fairly recent CPU/mobo

Wait for independent benchmarking not press releases.

phinn wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 16:56:
But I have no doubt Intel will marginally the gaming crown back with a +19% IPC jump if they maintain clock speeds

That is just marketing. It is NOT 19% across the board, it is for very specific case that happens.

So I did a new Ryzen 5800X / B550 build in December, and yea it's the best gaming processor and all that and very fast. But I have no doubt Intel will marginally the gaming crown back with a +19% IPC jump if they maintain clock speeds. It's just a shame it took them so long and that power consumption is so absurd with their ancient 14nm+ process. They need a new node extremely badly. The Big/Little design is certainly interesting too.

The only con on AMD right now is pricing. I fully admit I overpaid for the $450 5800X which is only 5% faster in gaming than the i7-10700K which costs only $360. If Intel keeps pricing similar or stays below $400 they'll have an 8 core winner.

Simon Says wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 16:09:

HorrorScope wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 16:01:

Simon Says wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 12:48:

Cutter wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 11:41:
Is Intel throwing in the towel?

For now they don't really have a choice, they've squeezed all they could out of that 14nm+++++∞ cow and 10nm still isn't ready for prime time...

And they just announced they would manufacture their GPUs on TSMC's 7nm+: https://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSKBN29H0EZ

Well my son couldn't wait any longer, we still went intel because you can't get current gen AMD. 10600K for him, that is still plenty strong. I can assure the audience that was not the plan, this was supposed to be a 5600x.

In sports and now in tech, availability is a great ability.

As for sockets, for a lot of us, does it even matter? Are we really upgrading CPU's all that often? If you are, sure, but it you wait like 5+ I would just expect a whole new bottom end.

To be fair, Intel's 6 core offerings right now, at the right price, are better price/perf than AMD's Ryzen 5 series. The 10400F in particular is pretty sweet under 200$.

Yep my decision was between the 10600K and the 10400F. The 400 is a great bargain, but we have some extra cash to get a notch better.

This comment was edited on Jan 12, 2021, 22:04.

HorrorScope wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 16:01:

Simon Says wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 12:48:

Cutter wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 11:41:
Is Intel throwing in the towel?

For now they don't really have a choice, they've squeezed all they could out of that 14nm+++++∞ cow and 10nm still isn't ready for prime time...

And they just announced they would manufacture their GPUs on TSMC's 7nm+: https://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSKBN29H0EZ

Well my son couldn't wait any longer, we still went intel because you can get current gen AMD. 10600K for him, that is still plenty strong. I can assure the audience that was not the plan, this was supposed to be a 5600x.

In sports and now in tech, availability is a great ability.

As for sockets, for a lot of us, does it even matter? Are we really upgrading CPU's all that often? If you are, sure, but it you wait like 5+ I would just expect a whole new bottom end.

To be fair, Intel's 6 core offerings right now, at the right price, are better price/perf than AMD's Ryzen 5 series. The 10400F in particular is pretty sweet under 200$.

Simon Says wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 12:48:

Cutter wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 11:41:
Is Intel throwing in the towel?

For now they don't really have a choice, they've squeezed all they could out of that 14nm+++++∞ cow and 10nm still isn't ready for prime time...

And they just announced they would manufacture their GPUs on TSMC's 7nm+: https://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSKBN29H0EZ

Well my son couldn't wait any longer, we still went intel because you can't get current gen AMD. 10600K for him, that is still plenty strong. I can assure the audience that was not the plan, this was supposed to be a 5600x.

In sports and now in tech, availability is a great ability.

As for sockets, for a lot of us, does it even matter? Are we really upgrading CPU's all that often? If you are, sure, but it you wait like 5+ I would just expect a whole new bottom end.

This comment was edited on Jan 12, 2021, 22:04.

aka_STEVE wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 14:15:
The new Z590 is the first time Intel hasn't made users dump their stuff for a new socket design , in like decades ...

So they are definitely feeling the heat... ( just like their processors )

Uh, no?

This is the 2nd generation of CPUs for socket 1200 (Comet Lake + Rocket Lake). It's been like this for ages, notably during the tick-tock years that Intel has always had exactly two Core/chipset gens on the same socket before switching to a new one. Alder Lake which is still supposed to come out in late 2021 (doubtful imo) will move on to socket 1700. All of this is business as usual for Intel.

Obviously, Intel isn't even close to AMD, yet again. This reminds me of the original AMD dinner party attended by Intel employees back in ~1999, IIRC. At the dinner, AMD presented some details about the brand new upcoming Athlon CPU. It was said by everyone there that as AMD explained what the K7 was, under the hood--that the Intel attendees who had been very jovial and talkative sat there with their eyes open, with their jaws dropped, gaping--as AMD explained how much further ahead AMD had taken CPU designs than had apparently ever occurred to Intel. The story has always stuck with me after all these years...;) Difference between that AMD and the current AMD--this AMD isn't stopping with Zen 2--but is already at Zen 3 with Zen 4 in design even as we speak. Today's AMD won't sit still and allow Intel to catch up--let alone surpass them. I never did understand AMD dropping the ball after Athlon/A64/and Opteron--instead of building on their successful foundation--they tried again to invent the wheel--and the result was the lackluster Bulldozer, IIRC.

The new Z590 is the first time Intel hasn't made users dump their stuff for a new socket design , in like decades ...

So they are definitely feeling the heat... ( just like their processors )

Really sick and tired of Intel continuing to invest in building/researching/advancing mobile CPUs and trying to pass them off as "gaming" processors. How dumb do they think we are? Honestly, at this point, I'm never buying an Intel CPU for gaming ever again.

Simon Says wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 13:40:
"19% IPC increase", shows no noticeable improvement over 10700K in Intel's own benchmarks released so far...

Press X for doubt...

Ok... maybe I should have said Intel Marketing isn't throwing in the towel.

I'm still looking at a Zen 3 for my Spring Build.

wtf_man wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 13:32:
Intel Teases Rocket Lake Core i9-11900K, Intends to Retake Gaming Crown With 19% IPC Increase

"19% IPC increase", shows no noticeable improvement over 10700K in Intel's own benchmarks released so far...

Press X for doubt...

Intel Teases Rocket Lake Core i9-11900K, Intends to Retake Gaming Crown With 19% IPC Increase

So, no... it doesn't look like they are throwing in the towel to me

But at the Same time, AMD has already struck back at the laptop Market:

AMD Announces Ryzen 5000 Mobile 'Cezanne' Processors, Zen 3 and Overclocking Comes to Laptops

Gotta love it when there's actually some competition to push things forward!

Cutter wrote on Jan 12, 2021, 11:41:
Is Intel throwing in the towel?

For now they don't really have a choice, they've squeezed all they could out of that 14nm+++++∞ cow and 10nm still isn't ready for prime time...

And they just announced they would manufacture their GPUs on TSMC's 7nm+: https://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSKBN29H0EZ

Is Intel throwing in the towel?