sun55 wrote on Jan 4, 2021, 04:28:

Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 3, 2021, 20:48:
I wouldn't throw real MMOs like EQ and WoW into the mess.

You don't grasp basic facts about computers, all software is scientifically the same, any computer linked to two or more computers in a network becomes and behaves as a single machine. MMO's were corporate america rebranding PC rpg's to deny and dispossess the masses. Valve got the idea for steam because of the success of Ultima online in 1997. You don't grasp that the end goal for corporate america was to have all apps client-server.

Most gamers know nothing about computers or the computer industry and that's why we've lost control of game ownership.

Every piece of software can be broken into two sets of executable files, this is what is lost on the mmo/steam generation.

It sounds like I grasp the facts about computers much better than you do. I'd agree the software industry has gone down the road of GaaS. But that doesn't mean you are going to be able to have a game like WoW with thousands of users execute as it does with control at the local level for everyone. Yeah, we gamers have lost a lot of control/power over our games, but WoW and EQ are not good examples of it.

sun55 wrote on Jan 4, 2021, 04:31:

VaranDragon wrote on Jan 4, 2021, 02:27:
While I lament the days of gaming past when dedicated servers were a thing, and people were more or less in control of their software it's naive to to claim that developers have "stolen" something from you that didn't belong to you in the first place. Read your EULAs, software does not belong to you, you only license it from the developers according to certain terms and conditions.

Except you don't grasp every piece of software can be split into two lists of binary exe's, so no, just because corporate lobbyists have lobbied away our right to own our own shit doesn't mean they are not selling you broken incomplete software. Before mass internet penetration you got complete PC games, with multiplayer code embedded in the exe like Quake and UT2004. You all don't get you've been being robbed for 20+ years now because they figured out the average gamer was computer illiterate with Ultima online in 1997.

Valve got the idea for steam directly from the success of Ultima online and Everquest. They want to back end and take control of all games by infecting them with corporate malware.

This sub demonstrates why we lost dedicated servers to begin with, the average gamer has no idea wtf they are talking about because they are computer illiterate.

Please refrain from making assumptions about me. I don't like the way the world works either but at least I can deal with it instead of throwing around baseless accusations and assumptions. I agree with you for the most part, but even in the 90s when as you say users had complete control over their software, this control was still regulated by certain terms and conditions and this has nothing to do with the users themselves. It's simply a way for the developer of the software to retain legal control over said software. It's the same way now, except that DRM now severely limits local control over almost any part of commercial software installed on your PC. Yeah people are mostly computer illiterate but spewing your hate on an online forum towards others who understand the reasons for why that is won't change anything, it will just make them aversive to you personally.

VaranDragon wrote on Jan 4, 2021, 02:27:
While I lament the days of gaming past when dedicated servers were a thing, and people were more or less in control of their software it's naive to to claim that developers have "stolen" something from you that didn't belong to you in the first place. Read your EULAs, software does not belong to you, you only license it from the developers according to certain terms and conditions.

Except you don't grasp every piece of software can be split into two lists of binary exe's, so no, just because corporate lobbyists have lobbied away our right to own our own shit doesn't mean they are not selling you broken incomplete software. Before mass internet penetration you got complete PC games, with multiplayer code embedded in the exe like Quake and UT2004. You all don't get you've been being robbed for 20+ years now because they figured out the average gamer was computer illiterate with Ultima online in 1997.

Valve got the idea for steam directly from the success of Ultima online and Everquest. They want to back end and take control of all games by infecting them with corporate malware.

This sub demonstrates why we lost dedicated servers to begin with, the average gamer has no idea wtf they are talking about because they are computer illiterate.

Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 3, 2021, 20:48:
I wouldn't throw real MMOs like EQ and WoW into the mess.

You don't grasp basic facts about computers, all software is scientifically the same, any computer linked to two or more computers in a network becomes and behaves as a single machine. MMO's were corporate america rebranding PC rpg's to deny and dispossess the masses. Valve got the idea for steam because of the success of Ultima online in 1997. You don't grasp that the end goal for corporate america was to have all apps client-server.

Most gamers know nothing about computers or the computer industry and that's why we've lost control of game ownership.

Every piece of software can be broken into two sets of executable files, this is what is lost on the mmo/steam generation.

That's why the tech industry is having a party at your expense.

https://tifca.com/the-revolution-is-now/

This comment was edited on Jan 4, 2021, 05:08.

While I lament the days of gaming past when dedicated servers were a thing, and people were more or less in control of their software it's naive to to claim that developers have "stolen" something from you that didn't belong to you in the first place. Read your EULAs, software does not belong to you, you only license it from the developers according to certain terms and conditions.

I wouldn't throw real MMOs like EQ and WoW into the mess. There is a market for large multi-player games like that. WoW wouldn't "work" as a LAN game. But yeah, SC2, D3, and other games like them which could have been LAN capable but aren't.... "you gotta fight for your right to party!" -- which means not buying those games. All gamers had to do was not buy games which should allow LAN games but don't -- if they didn't sell and other games which were LAN capable did, the devs would have figured it out. But how can you expect that in a day and age when people practically throw their personal information at companies to play Farmville.

Dev wrote on Jan 2, 2021, 20:35:

sun55 wrote on Jan 2, 2021, 15:35:
Just what we need, the man who stole videogames and built a billion dollar empire off idiot moron gamers and he;[ed kill off dedicated servers for microtranscations.

Say what now? What stealing?
Like sure, there's a lot of idiot moron gamers out there including many on steam, but it became popular because of convenience and pricing. And it's led to a resurgence in indie and PC gaming over the last decade or so.
Not sure wtf you are talking about the server thing. Like are you confusing EA with valve here? The last major valve multiplayer FPS game L4D2 had private moddable servers. I don't expect them to do it with their weird card game.

You don't get that the videogame industry has been killing off games because they've been stealing the multiplayer code for games by rebadging them mmo. That's why games can now be shut down, valve kept dedicated servers on life support because valve already was making money hand over first from steam, so didn't need to. But you don't get that the industry taking control of the games via drm is why we no longer get dedicated servers and why exploitive mtx exist in the first place, they wanted to back end games to take us to the current mtx infested world.

Guild wars 1 is a perfect example of stolen rpg's that would have had dedicated server support and e level editor if it wasn't for the idiot gaming masses who couldn't see they were being sold games infested with corporate malware to take control ownership of the games.

John carmack on quake 2 "No limit on the # of players".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfeSMaztDVc&t=103s

So that goes to show that the whole mmo shebang was a scam, aka that everquest, wow, guild wars 1, 2, was the game industry actively undermining us getting complete games as local applications. This is why damn near every game now requires "an account" and why doom eternal had a besthesda account launcher and why quake champions is a stolen f2p game.

No one who gamed in the 90's and was a fan of Rocket arena and Q2 CTF wanted to live in this stupid gaming future of stolen videogame software. Diablo 3 with always online drm, aka stolen diablo 3, vs diablo 2 we owned enabled the the client-server stolen rpg mmo loving generation of gamers.

Not to mention games can now have their servers shut down because they have removed the multiplayer code.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-02-27-ridge-racer-unbounded-servers-shut-down-in-europe

Transformers Fall of cybertron had its multiplayer servers shut off.

So yeah, stolen games buddy. Thank god quake 3 and UT2004 still function compared to modern games where they are coded in completely fucked up theiverous ways.

The hardware survey has Simplified Chinese up 12% and English down 6%. Chinese is a couple percentage points from overtaking English

sun55 wrote on Jan 2, 2021, 15:35:
Just what we need, the man who stole videogames and built a billion dollar empire off idiot moron gamers and he;[ed kill off dedicated servers for microtranscations.

Wrong thread m8.

Guessing this is the intended one?
https://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=postmessage&boardid=1&threadid=218002

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sun55 wrote on Jan 2, 2021, 15:35:
Just what we need, the man who stole videogames and built a billion dollar empire off idiot moron gamers and he;[ed kill off dedicated servers for microtranscations.

Say what now? What stealing?
Like sure, there's a lot of idiot moron gamers out there including many on steam, but it became popular because of convenience and pricing. And it's led to a resurgence in indie and PC gaming over the last decade or so.
Not sure wtf you are talking about the server thing. Like are you confusing EA with valve here? The last major valve multiplayer FPS game L4D2 had private moddable servers. I don't expect them to do it with their weird card game.

Sounds like president 'teeny weenie' is registered at Blue's now.
Here's hoping he updates us on the latest hoaxers and hax0rs stealing games, also killing fair and dedicated servent0rs!

Suppa7, is that you? I keed , i keed ; slush54 is still alive and kicking.

Just what we need, the man who stole videogames and built a billion dollar empire off idiot moron gamers and he;[ed kill off dedicated servers for microtranscations.