ForgedReality wrote on Dec 18, 2020, 11:58:

Simon Says wrote on Dec 16, 2020, 23:54:
That's what you get for releasing a game in a late Alpha state. Yes I meant Alpha seeing as most if not all early Betas I played were more polished than this.

Come back in a year, it should be out of Beta by then.

So you haven't played it on PC. Okay. And you probably haven't played it on console either.

Stop spreading misinformation. It's nowhere near as bad as people are saying. It's not perfect, but plenty of people are having a ton of fun with it. Stop acting like it's the fucking end times.

CD Projekt Red deliberately misrepresented the game. It claimed the game was running well on the base gen consoles and it promoted the game as an RPG, when the RPG elements are actually superficial. It deliberately held back review codes for the console versions and placed draconian conditions on the review embargo. Then it directed people to get refunds from Sony when they weren't able to (something which has only just now been addressed). This is really up there with No Man's Sky in terms of anti-consumer practices.

Look, it's great if you like the game and haven't had many issues but you can't pretend that your experience is representative of others, especially when the issues are so well-documented.

Acknowledging that it is a shit show on last gen consoles, my getting long in tooth PC (AMD FX8350, GTX1080ti, 24 gig ram) can run a solid 45 fps at 1080p, which is better than I was expecting. No complaints here.

ForgedReality wrote on Dec 18, 2020, 11:58:

Simon Says wrote on Dec 16, 2020, 23:54:
That's what you get for releasing a game in a late Alpha state. Yes I meant Alpha seeing as most if not all early Betas I played were more polished than this.

Come back in a year, it should be out of Beta by then.

So you haven't played it on PC. Okay. And you probably haven't played it on console either.

Stop spreading misinformation. It's nowhere near as bad as people are saying. It's not perfect, but plenty of people are having a ton of fun with it. Stop acting like it's the fucking end times.

If a dev releases a game on a console that is utterly unplayable, yes, they deserve to be treated as if it's end of times.

I don't get why people with expensive PC rigs act as if this is no big deal just because it doesn't impact them. Console sales were going to be at least 40%, if not 60%, and they released a version that does not run and they withheld review copies.

Simon Says wrote on Dec 16, 2020, 23:54:
That's what you get for releasing a game in a late Alpha state. Yes I meant Alpha seeing as most if not all early Betas I played were more polished than this.

Come back in a year, it should be out of Beta by then.

So you haven't played it on PC. Okay. And you probably haven't played it on console either.

Stop spreading misinformation. It's nowhere near as bad as people are saying. It's not perfect, but plenty of people are having a ton of fun with it. Stop acting like it's the fucking end times.

Don't feel sorry for them. They share the responsibility for the abysmal launch on older gen consoles, with Sony and Microsoft. They knew they had an inferior product, one that was not ready for launch and they still tried it. They got greedy, and now they got their fingers burned. The PC launch was better, but only because PC gamers are already used to buggy messed up releases and because (if anecdotal evidence can be believed) the game does seem to work better, and glitch less on better hardware. In any case the PC version can and will be easily patched, I however doubt that the Gen4 console versions will ever be in a playable state and if they are they might be so degraded that maybe they won't even be worth playing.

In any case, the game is pretty great even as it is. It's nowhere near the second coming of cRPGs (not even close) but it might at least get partway there if CDPR does right by it and keeps supporting and upgrading it.

This little fiasco, might very well force them to go the extra mile with the game's support. (Maybe even throw some free DLC into the mix)

Quinn wrote on Dec 18, 2020, 03:42:

Primalchrome wrote on Dec 17, 2020, 22:51:
Holy shit. Sony stepped into the ring and delivered a Mike Tyson uppercut :
https://www.playstation.com/en-ie/cyberpunk-2077-refunds/
Refunds across the board and the game has been delisted.

Look at them acting as if their nose is bleeding and act all morally superior as they throw CDPR into the flames like this. It's not like they didn't review the "final" build and decided it was good enough for the quickest buck ever made before Christmas.

By now I feel sorry CDPR. They come across as the naive guys who had the greatest corporate dogs sicced on them because the hype got ridiculously out of hand.

CDPR threw its partners under the bus first, telling gamers to get refunds through Sony and Microsoft, who don't normally allow refunds on redeemed digital purchases.

Primalchrome wrote on Dec 17, 2020, 22:51:
https://www.playstation.com/en-ie/cyberpunk-2077-refunds/
Refunds across the board and the game has been delisted.

Offering refunds was a smart move.

Primalchrome wrote on Dec 17, 2020, 22:51:
Holy shit. Sony stepped into the ring and delivered a Mike Tyson uppercut :
https://www.playstation.com/en-ie/cyberpunk-2077-refunds/
Refunds across the board and the game has been delisted.

Look at them acting as if their nose is bleeding and act all morally superior as they throw CDPR into the flames like this. It's not like they didn't review the "final" build and decided it was good enough for the quickest buck ever made before Christmas.

By now I feel sorry CDPR. They come across as the naive guys who had the greatest corporate dogs sicced on them because the hype got ridiculously out of hand.

Primalchrome wrote on Dec 17, 2020, 22:51:
Holy shit. Sony stepped into the ring and delivered a Mike Tyson uppercut :
https://www.playstation.com/en-ie/cyberpunk-2077-refunds/
Refunds across the board and the game has been delisted.

I say we Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Holy shit. Sony stepped into the ring and delivered a Mike Tyson uppercut :
https://www.playstation.com/en-ie/cyberpunk-2077-refunds/
Refunds across the board and the game has been delisted.

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 17, 2020, 19:06:
Angry Joe has a good cyberpunk rant https://youtu.be/aGgkF7fh4MA

I'm not impressed with that Police AI, and not because they spawn in out of nowhere. But when the police show up, they should show up in force, and act like police do in the real world: tons of guys and tons of guns. Not one by one. It should be something very serious that you avoid at all costs.

Fugazi wrote on Dec 17, 2020, 09:42:
Glad to see that others are also really enjoying the game!
They should have released this game on PC first and then taken 6-12 months for console ports. A lot of the noise could have been avoided.
Game is gorgeous and as mentioned - very well written and just taking in the sights is very enjoyable. I have never taken so many screenshots in a game before.
My system is pretty high-end (9900K@5GHz; 3090 FTW3; 64GB RAM) and I run at 3440x1440 and get 60-80FPS at Ultra settings with DLSS on Quality.
I hope that CDPR continues to build out this gameworld - there is so much potential here - and it's fun already.

I am reading your comment and I'm like "nice, a positive guy.. the performance is shit but there's a gem in there and he found it". Then you summed up your.. what, $4K rig? You fucking kidding me? No shit the game looks gorgeous and plays great on your rig. You just posted to show off. So transparent. Ugh.

Me, I eventually did get my hands on an 3070 FTW3 (6400K@4.4Ghz) and the game still runs way worse than the visuals justify. RT? Shoved in there last second. 100%.

Sure, the game is OK The bugs I couldn't care less about. The unoptimized shit though? Unacceptable. And to think that within 3 months this game will run 50% better, mark my words...

Angry Joe has a good cyberpunk rant https://youtu.be/aGgkF7fh4MA

Alamar wrote on Dec 17, 2020, 12:56:

bhcompy wrote on Dec 17, 2020, 11:40:
when you ask people what did they expect when trying to run the game on an original PS4 that has hardware many generations old?

This is a really, really, bad argument...
It doesn't matter when a game comes out on any console... Consoles (outside of the more recent base vs pro versions) are static hardware (unlike our beloved million-variation PCs), and every game launched on them, should work on them. It's up to those companies releasing on a console to make sure their engine is 'dumbed down' enough that it runs smoothly, not up to the consumers, who rightly assumed a product for their console should work on their console.

Refund the game, end of story

Icewind wrote on Dec 17, 2020, 05:02:
People will ***** me out for saying this, but this is just poor people being poor and not using common sense. Everyone knew this would take decent hardware to run. I never understood why they even *bothered* to have this run on last generation consoles. I couldn't even get Trials of Mana to run without slowdown on the PS4, the system it was meant for. (PC? Like butter)

It's less poor people, and more greedy corporations being greedy: CDPR, Sony, & MS. They wanted that sweet last gen console cash, so crammed a game into them that had no business being on 7 year old hardware. Much more than PC, console players rely on the console makers to vet the games that come out on their consoles. Both Sony and MS have very strict policies for getting a game approve. That system appears to have failed in this case, surely due to the greed of getting the biggest release of the year as widespread as possible.

jamiedj99 wrote on Dec 17, 2020, 12:13:
BS what scum i been waiting for 3 days now for my gog refund. i gota feeling I may need to charge it back.

IIRC, GOG refunds can take up to a week. Pretty sure they're completely slammed right now given this is the biggest release in the history of the company. I counsel patience.

Fugazi wrote on Dec 17, 2020, 09:42:
They should have released this game on PC first and then taken 6-12 months for console ports. A lot of the noise could have been avoided.

Christmas.

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 17, 2020, 01:39:

NKD wrote on Dec 17, 2020, 01:27:
I'm still enjoying the game quite a lot but this is definitely more proof that you shouldn't put game studios on a pedestal. Their shit stinks as much as anyone elses.

Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them dsmart

Say his name two more times. I dare ya. I double dog dare ya!

People will ***** me out for saying this, but this is just poor people being poor and not using common sense.

I blindly followed what the PR depts told me and got burned and now am upset at the PR folks rather then look in the mirror at my own gullibility.

Wow. I'm not sure how blaming the victim for what was blatant misinformation by the manufacturer is logical... The consumer has some culpability for impulse control.....but the actual BLAME should be solely levelled on the Dev/Publisher that assured their customer base that the product would work as advertised. Letting them off with 'you should have waited' excused the behavior and encourages it for future releases.

Alamar is right. Consoles are static constants and the performance should have easily met a minimum level. There is none of the PC excuses that come with so many variables.

Aside : I preordered Cyberpunk 2077. My eyes were wide open. I expected bugs because Witcher 3 was a mushy mess when it released. I was OK with the risk/reward of my choice. My experiences have shown many gameplay/aesthetic bugs as well as two quest breaking bugs. The inability to remap keys without mods is utterly asinine.

Alamar wrote on Dec 17, 2020, 12:56:

This is a really, really, bad argument...
It doesn't matter when a game comes out on any console... Consoles (outside of the more recent base vs pro versions) are static hardware (unlike our beloved million-variation PCs), and every game launched on them, should work on them. It's up to those companies releasing on a console to make sure their engine is 'dumbed down' enough that it runs smoothly, not up to the consumers, who rightly assumed a product for their console should work on their console.

Translation: I blindly followed what the PR depts told me and got burned and now am upset at the PR folks rather then look in the mirror at my own gullibility.

Also I repeat myself; I will say they should have been more upfront with last gen console players (or even better just make it for next gen) but I get it, the install base of a 8 yr old console is big and wanted that sweet money. However after seeing the game play videos and screen shots past year people should have had the common sense to realize it was going to be iffy, at best, running this on 8 yr old hardware. If you mindlessly follow PR teams spin without any critical thinking that is partly on you.

The irony being this genre, game is a warning message about just that, the fact that eludes those console players complaining is sad and says something itself.