Also, in case it needs to be said, have your offline people start the game without Galaxy, if they use Galaxy to install and update. Aka run the .exe directly, not the galaxy-shortcut thing that Galaxy installs make on the desktop. Otherwise everybody should be able to install/update (at least for existing games) via Galaxy. I can't imagine CDProjektRED would suddenly change their DRM policy for Cyberpunk 2077, but maybe it's big enough that they will? Who knows.

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 12:11:

HorrorScope wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 12:06:
If a friend buys it on GOG can my friend and his son in the same house play it on 2 different pc's at the same time since no DRM?

Yes, but they can't both use whatever online component there is going to be (multiplayer eventually) and I believe Galaxy achievements (online) may perhaps get messed up if they both go online. I've definitely seen some weirdness with cloud saves through Galaxy on games where I had more than 1 person playing the same game. Just agree to have only 1 person use cloud saves, or everybody just uses local(offline) saves.

Otherwise you can have an infinite number of friends and sons playing offline. Disable Cloud Saves, local saves only.

Thanks, this friend has a growing family.

RedEye9 wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 12:21:

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 12:11:
you can have an infinite number of friends and sons playing offline.

Theft and piracy is the only way.

Apparently...

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 12:11:
you can have an infinite number of friends and sons playing offline.

Theft and piracy is the only way.

HorrorScope wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 12:06:
If a friend buys it on GOG can my friend and his son in the same house play it on 2 different pc's at the same time since no DRM?

Yes, but they can't both use whatever online component there is going to be (multiplayer eventually) and I believe Galaxy achievements (online) may perhaps get messed up if they both go online. I've definitely seen some weirdness with cloud saves through Galaxy on games where I had more than 1 person playing the same game. Just agree to have only 1 person use cloud saves, or everybody just uses local(offline) saves.

Otherwise you can have an infinite number of friends and sons playing offline. Disable Cloud Saves, local saves only.

If a friend buys it on GOG can my friend and his son in the same house play it on 2 different pc's at the same time since no DRM?

Wow, I did not realize people were this up in arms about Steam vs GoG still.

For the record I'm buying Cyberpunk 2077 on GoG, and any mods CP gets will undoubtedly work on GoG via Nexus Mod Manager, or whatever they are calling it now. Slightly more work than Steam mods, but that's how I've played the Witcher games (and Skyrim, and a lot of other games with mods) and I don't expect modders will suddenly shun Nexus for probably the biggest game release... ever?

I think I may buy Hades on Steam though, just because I have most(all?) of the other SuperGiant games there.

For me, GoG is superior purely because I can share games if I want to, permanently, and more than once if the situation arises. In general, I'm buying new games on GoG, unless they are multiplayer only. Then it's Origin/Uplay/Steam/whatever they are tied to.

Bhruic wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 10:05:

Quinn wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 07:54:
I mentioned this earlier, as well. To me, the fact GOG has it at the same price as Steam means they really don't give a shit where you buy their game -- they just laugh all the way to the bank because of the people who do buy it at their place due to this deluded meaning everyone is attaching to online stores/platforms.

It's weird that so few people seem to remember that Valve has included in their contracts that you can't sell a game for less on another platform than you sell it on Steam. Barring sales, of course, this is talking about the default price. So even if they wanted to sell it for less on GOG, they can't - unless they want to forgo selling it on Steam at all.

Because thats not true, that only applies to Steam keys. You can sell your game on different stores at different prices. You just can't sell STEAM keys at different prices in different stores without having comparable deals on Steam eventually.

Bhruic wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 10:05:

Quinn wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 07:54:
I mentioned this earlier, as well. To me, the fact GOG has it at the same price as Steam means they really don't give a shit where you buy their game -- they just laugh all the way to the bank because of the people who do buy it at their place due to this deluded meaning everyone is attaching to online stores/platforms.

It's weird that so few people seem to remember that Valve has included in their contracts that you can't sell a game for less on another platform than you sell it on Steam. Barring sales, of course, this is talking about the default price. So even if they wanted to sell it for less on GOG, they can't - unless they want to forgo selling it on Steam at all.

It's the exact same argument people used to complain when games on Valve weren't cheaper than in-store.
No one wants to piss off their distributors.

I'd buy it on Steam, probably. First off, it's just easier. It's much easier. And convenient. And, if it has Steam achievements, I probably won't really look at them but I'm more likely to on Steam than any other platform, and it has all my achievements in one place.

It's inertia, but inertia is powerful. It's why I get the exclusives on Epic - only way to overcome the inertia. Even still, many people that aren't angry at Epic wait for something to be on Steam, because they're so into the Steam ecosystem that leaving it is more inconvenient than waiting 12 months for a game.

CDPR gets more money if I buy from them. But then I need to bother with a new ecosystem. Even if I put the game on my Steam shelf, it's extra work I didn't need to do otherwise. Just to purchase the game I likely need to do a username recovery, then a password reset, which is all kind of a chore. So it's just easier to click once or twice on Steam and be done with it.

Inertia and laziness are hard for brands to overcome.

Quinn wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 07:54:
I mentioned this earlier, as well. To me, the fact GOG has it at the same price as Steam means they really don't give a shit where you buy their game -- they just laugh all the way to the bank because of the people who do buy it at their place due to this deluded meaning everyone is attaching to online stores/platforms.

It's weird that so few people seem to remember that Valve has included in their contracts that you can't sell a game for less on another platform than you sell it on Steam. Barring sales, of course, this is talking about the default price. So even if they wanted to sell it for less on GOG, they can't - unless they want to forgo selling it on Steam at all.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 08:18:

yuastnav wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 05:14:
I buy my games on Steam because it is incredibly easy to play Windows games on Linux.

This is true for me as well. CDPR gives less than zero fucks about any platform not Windows. Moreover, Steam has the Workshop where it is easy to source mods from whereas GOG does not. I expect a ton of CP2077 mods in the future.

Oh yeah, that too! I think the workshop is an a amazing idea. Just scroll through the mods, click subscribe and - done! And Steam keeps those mods up to date, too.

Steam is the oldest and the most mature client there is. They are extremely slow when it comes to developing new things or fixing something because everyone at Valve can do whatever they want but it still has a ton of awesome features.

I would love to buy more games from GOG but the lacklustre Linux support is what really puts me off.

yuastnav wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 05:14:
I buy my games on Steam because it is incredibly easy to play Windows games on Linux.

This is true for me as well. CDPR gives less than zero fucks about any platform not Windows. Moreover, Steam has the Workshop where it is easy to source mods from whereas GOG does not. I expect a ton of CP2077 mods in the future.

Basically you should just buy it where ever you feel comfortable, asshole guilt trips be damned.

It's your money, your time and the way you want to play.

wrlwnd wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 06:42:

Also, why isn't the game a bit cheaper on GOG? Wouldn't that be a *true* incentive to get most folks to use it there?

I mentioned this earlier, as well. To me, the fact GOG has it at the same price as Steam means they really don't give a shit where you buy their game -- they just laugh all the way to the bank because of the people who do buy it at their place due to this deluded meaning everyone is attaching to online stores/platforms.

wrlwnd wrote on Nov 30, 2020, 06:42:
If CD Projekt only offered it on GOG, I'd buy it there. But they didn't. Oh well.

As mentioned before: some gamers only buy from Steam. That considered, CDPR also sell CP 2077 there despite the ca. 30 percent cut.

I buy my games on Steam because of one word - trust.

I've been with them forever and I don't plan on switching just because. It's also one less exposure problem for my credit card.

Also, why isn't the game a bit cheaper on GOG? Wouldn't that be a *true* incentive to get most folks to use it there?

If CD Projekt only offered it on GOG, I'd buy it there. But they didn't. Oh well.

ForgedReality wrote on Nov 29, 2020, 15:34:
I don't understand how the hell anyone could buy the Steam version over the GOG version. Like, what's the point? I bet if it's #1 on Steam, it has to have sold WAY more on GOG.

I buy my games on Steam because it is incredibly easy to play Windows games on Linux. This year I switched completely to Linux because it's amazing how many of my Windows-only games on Steam run out of the box on Linux without any issue. It's just for comfort.
Also I don't have room for my gaming PC anymore but I can run it with an HDMI dongle and can stream almost all of my games to my ten year old laptop which does not have a dedicated video card.
Years ago I wondered why they even developed these features but nowadays I am really thankful for that.

HorrorScope wrote on Nov 29, 2020, 17:37:
Got my CP2077 before they run out. Can't wait to climb up the PvP boards from the start.

The sarcasm is strong in that one

If it hadn’t been for CDPR I would not have pre-ordered the game (one of exactly three I’ve ever pre-ordered) on GOG. Here CDPR is developer AND host at the same time. So they deserve each and every cent of my money. Over the years my steam library has grown considerably because it’s the best platform overall IMO. Updates appear first on Steam and I’ve never (meaning ZERO in 16 years of membership) had any issues with bandwidth, disconnects or on downtime on Steam.