Out of the Blue

New York is one of the states affected by yesterday's report that Comcast's planned 1.2TB monthly data cap. What's weird is they've been pitching me a cheap upgrade to gigabit internet. Or maybe it's not weird, just a trap (apologies to Admiral Ackbar). I don't know offhand what my other provider choices are, but this will inspire me to investigate them. Comcastic.

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Re: Data Cap
Nov 25, 2020, 00:49
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Enahs wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 14:43:
The Flying Penguin wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 12:58:
For most people, 1.2TB a month is way more than they'll ever need. I consider myself a heavy Downloader and I never get close to 400 a month.

I do not come close either. But it is only a 2 person house hold and we do not steam 4k content. Netflix 4K use approximately 2x the data as 1080P. So our 2 person household averages right around 300gb per month, if we switched to 4K it would nearly double. For a household with more than 2 people, and lots of streaming, especially in a year or two with more 4K content and devices, it will become a problem for a lot of people.

unless they're doing something wonky with their compression, 4k should be 4x the data bandwidth of 2k, not double.

blue if you'd prefer not to deal with the caps, look into joining the Starlink beta. $100/mo for around 100Mbit down; faster as they add more satellites. also the ping is around 40ms and stable enough to game on. people are posting their usage experiences with starlink all over youtube and imo it's worth looking into. it's fascinating to me how under-the-radar this is. if this works it will revolutionize internet access - 100Mbit internet anywhere in the world. greedy ISPs like comcast will be fucked out of existence.
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Nov 24, 2020, 20:48
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Nov 24, 2020, 20:48
 
Simon Says wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 17:37:
The Flying Penguin wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 12:58:
Now, I'm not sure how much more using streaming services would add. I do use Netflix and Prime, but I use their apps on the Comcast X1 box, which doesn't come out of my Internet bandwidth.

That's just another ISP trap called zero-rating and is a practice frowned upon to outright banned in most of the world. The last thing I would do is recommend that very questionable monopoly/anti-NN practice.

More info on zero-rating from the Electronic Frontiers Foundation here and Zdnet here.

Well you got me curious so I did some Googling. I had just assumed that X1 apps didn't apply to my data cap, but it seems like it does, according to this anyway: https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/netflix-x1-app-data-usage
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 24, 2020, 20:10
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Nov 24, 2020, 20:10
 
jdreyer wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 15:24:
IVIX1 wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 14:08:
Or maybe they're just trippin' balls
Almost fell out of my chair just now laughing. Nice one Blue!
Read down to the Star Trek story...

For whatever reason, I usually read Blues News from the bottom up, so I had no idea what the "Maybe they're just... oh, you get it" line was referring to, until a few minutes later when I got to the entries farther up in that section :)
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Re: Data Cap
Nov 24, 2020, 19:45
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Nov 24, 2020, 19:45
 
The Flying Penguin wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 12:58:
For most people, 1.2TB a month is way more than they'll ever need. I consider myself a heavy Downloader and I never get close to 400 a month.

Now, I'm not sure how much more using streaming services would add. I do use Netflix and Prime, but I use their apps on the Comcast X1 box, which doesn't come out of my Internet bandwidth.

Something to look into, Blue, if streaming bandwidth is your concern. The Netflix and Prime (and others) apps are well integrated into the X1. If I do voice a search for a movie on the X1, I get results for all the available streaming services, in addition to Comcast's on demand service. But my ISPs highest residential cap is at 300GB/mos before going unlimited, which is much more expensive. We happen to have a benefit of double that due to our level of service with them but Alaskans generally get screwed.

I figure if I ever start exceeding my data cap, I'll switch to a business account, which also has the benefit of a higher upload speed, and better technical support.

My household streams a lot and we regularly get around 300GB. We don't do much game/file downloading but we stream (SD), doing online classes for the kiddo, and the wife and I work remotely during the covid with vpn. The last big download I had was when I installed Dewm Eternal.

Edit: our isps residential cap is 300 gb a month before going unlimited, which is much more expensive. But we also get double that cap due to having local phone service with my isp. Overall though, Alaskans get screwed on internet.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 24, 2020, 18:50
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IVIX1 wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 14:08:
Or maybe they're just trippin' balls
Almost fell out of my chair just now laughing. Nice one Blue!
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Nov 24, 2020, 18:00
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Cutter wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 17:41:
I wonder what the damage modifiers on that sword are. It must be at least +3 if it's survived all the time out in the environment. I wonder what other properties it has? Detect Mushrooms?

Seems it has acquired some very potent mushroom like properties by the looks of it... *points to Star Trek : Acid Trip*.

Add a "Induces confusion" to the sword's attributes.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 24, 2020, 17:41
Cutter
 
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Nov 24, 2020, 17:41
 Cutter
 
I wonder what the damage modifiers on that sword are. It must be at least +3 if it's survived all the time out in the environment. I wonder what other properties it has? Detect Mushrooms?
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Re: Data Cap
Nov 24, 2020, 17:37
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Nov 24, 2020, 17:37
 
The Flying Penguin wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 12:58:
Now, I'm not sure how much more using streaming services would add. I do use Netflix and Prime, but I use their apps on the Comcast X1 box, which doesn't come out of my Internet bandwidth.

That's just another ISP trap called zero-rating and is a practice frowned upon to outright banned in most of the world. The last thing I would do is recommend that very questionable monopoly/anti-NN practice.

More info on zero-rating from the Electronic Frontiers Foundation here and Zdnet here.
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Nov 24, 2020, 16:53
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Nov 24, 2020, 16:53
 
jdreyer wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 15:25:
Blue, what's your usage per month?

His shrooms/acid or internet? (Sorry wasn't sure which theme of the day you were referring too)
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Nov 24, 2020, 15:33
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Nov 24, 2020, 15:33
 
Dreamliner crew rest: The secret space where your 787 pilots, attendants sleep.

For "sleeping." Uh-huh, sure.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 24, 2020, 15:25
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Nov 24, 2020, 15:25
 
Blue, what's your usage per month?
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Nov 24, 2020, 15:24
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IVIX1 wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 14:08:
Or maybe they're just trippin' balls
Almost fell out of my chair just now laughing. Nice one Blue!

Read down to the Star Trek story...
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Re: Data Cap
Nov 24, 2020, 14:43
Enahs
 
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The Flying Penguin wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 12:58:
For most people, 1.2TB a month is way more than they'll ever need. I consider myself a heavy Downloader and I never get close to 400 a month.

I do not come close either. But it is only a 2 person house hold and we do not steam 4k content. Netflix 4K use approximately 2x the data as 1080P. So our 2 person household averages right around 300gb per month, if we switched to 4K it would nearly double. For a household with more than 2 people, and lots of streaming, especially in a year or two with more 4K content and devices, it will become a problem for a lot of people.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 24, 2020, 14:08
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 IVIX1
 
Or maybe they're just trippin' balls
Almost fell out of my chair just now laughing. Nice one Blue!
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Nov 24, 2020, 14:00
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Nov 24, 2020, 14:00
 
$5k to lick the pigs snout.
Um nope.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 24, 2020, 13:55
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Fun times at the Star Trek Acid Party!
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Data Cap
Nov 24, 2020, 12:58
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Nov 24, 2020, 12:58
 
For most people, 1.2TB a month is way more than they'll ever need. I consider myself a heavy Downloader and I never get close to 400 a month.

Now, I'm not sure how much more using streaming services would add. I do use Netflix and Prime, but I use their apps on the Comcast X1 box, which doesn't come out of my Internet bandwidth.

Something to look into, Blue, if streaming bandwidth is your concern. The Netflix and Prime (and others) apps are well integrated into the X1. If I do voice a search for a movie on the X1, I get results for all the available streaming services, in addition to Comcast's on demand service.

I figure if I ever start exceeding my data cap, I'll switch to a business account, which also has the benefit of a higher upload speed, and better technical support.
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