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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year
Nov 26, 2020, 10:21
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year Nov 26, 2020, 10:21
Nov 26, 2020, 10:21
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 26, 2020, 10:02:
Not being snarky but what's not to understand?
Okay, well first I wouldn't have thought of my personal PC as a "production" machine. Yes, it is just a matter of semantics -- it just didn't occur to me to think of it that way. Second, it would never occur to me to backup my personal PC everyday. It would in fact be effectively pointless on some days as there are days when all I do is browse the web and perhaps make a few posts here or on Reddit. That said, I have no criticism to provide concerning your backup habits. It is all good BoP.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Nov 26, 2020, 10:10
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Re: Evening Metaverse Nov 26, 2020, 10:10
Nov 26, 2020, 10:10
 
I'm willing to bet that the majority of us don't even do a monthly backup.
But if you got stuff that you cannot afford to lose, backing up is the only way around it.
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year
Nov 26, 2020, 10:02
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year Nov 26, 2020, 10:02
Nov 26, 2020, 10:02
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 22:55:
Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 22:14:
No, this is just personal data. Business data doesn't reside in the US. I agree it is an unusual arrangement but it's also a near bulletproof DR plan.
Wait, you spend sixteen hours each day backing up personal data? You have "six production machines" for personal data? I don't understand.

Wife's workstation, my workstation, my laptop, my personal server, primary server, and secondary server. Six machines. System's 1, 2, and 3 get daily deltas and weekly backups. Systems 4, 5, and 6 get nightly full backups.

Not being snarky but what's not to understand?
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year
Nov 25, 2020, 15:36
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year Nov 25, 2020, 15:36
Nov 25, 2020, 15:36
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 22:55:
Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 22:14:
No, this is just personal data. Business data doesn't reside in the US. I agree it is an unusual arrangement but it's also a near bulletproof DR plan.
Wait, you spend sixteen hours each day backing up personal data? You have "six production machines" for personal data? I don't understand.

Maybe he downloaded the entire Library of Congress? I'm curious as well...
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year
Nov 24, 2020, 22:55
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year Nov 24, 2020, 22:55
Nov 24, 2020, 22:55
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 22:14:
No, this is just personal data. Business data doesn't reside in the US. I agree it is an unusual arrangement but it's also a near bulletproof DR plan.
Wait, you spend sixteen hours each day backing up personal data? You have "six production machines" for personal data? I don't understand.
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year
Nov 24, 2020, 22:14
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year Nov 24, 2020, 22:14
Nov 24, 2020, 22:14
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 14:53:
So, this is your business? If so, sounds like you are doing well. If it isn't your business, that is unusual arrangement...

No, this is just personal data. Business data doesn't reside in the US. I agree it is an unusual arrangement but it's also a near bulletproof DR plan.
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year
Nov 24, 2020, 17:22
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year Nov 24, 2020, 17:22
Nov 24, 2020, 17:22
 
jdreyer wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 01:12:
Out of curiosity, what are you doing that uses 5+ TB per month? That's like 12 hours of 4K per day.

No idea, I just use my PC like I normally would without worrying about bandwidth. Download content ( games/movies/series/etc ), upload/download backups/autosyncs, videos and other stuff, watch some Twitch/Youtube4K while going about other business.

All in all, the average combined download/upload rate for the month at 5TB is pretty low. 2 megabytes/s average ( 2 * 60 * 60 * 24 * 30 = 5 184 000 megabytes ). That's not much IMHO. Not with everything I have running 24/7 and the max 500/500mbps full duplex capacity of around 120 megabytes/s.
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year
Nov 24, 2020, 14:53
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year Nov 24, 2020, 14:53
Nov 24, 2020, 14:53
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 14:47:
I am guessing you never dealt with as much data as I do, Tact. I would wager 99% of people don't. There are six production systems in this house. Three get daily delta backups and weekly full backups. Three get full backups every night. Well, they start at night. They take ~16 hours to fully push the data offsite.That doesn't even include streaming, game downloads, et al.
So, this is your business? If so, sounds like you are doing well. If it isn't your business, that is unusual arrangement...
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year
Nov 24, 2020, 14:47
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year Nov 24, 2020, 14:47
Nov 24, 2020, 14:47
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 11:52:
Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 11:49:
1.2TB a month? Jesus, I would blow through that in three days just on backup syncing to the offsite alone.
Seriously? Wow. For a guy whose entire career was in the IT industry, I am a Luddite.

I am guessing you never dealt with as much data as I do, Tact. I would wager 99% of people don't. There are six production systems in this house. Three get daily delta backups and weekly full backups. Three get full backups every night. Well, they start at night. They take ~16 hours to fully push the data offsite.That doesn't even include streaming, game downloads, et al.

1.2TB is aimed at light duty users and fuck everyone else who does more than look at cat memes.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Nov 24, 2020, 14:23
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Spectrum will introduce caps as soon as the regulator-imposed merger condition forbidding it expires. They've lobbied to get that date moved up but have failed so far. Meanwhile, they're not shy about saying "no caps!" in their advertising as a selling point. Even as they tell the judge "our customers like caps".
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Nov 24, 2020, 11:57
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Re: Evening Metaverse Nov 24, 2020, 11:57
Nov 24, 2020, 11:57
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AT&T has caps too, unless you get their top end.
Whenever I use comcast or AT&T, I always make sure to get without caps or the business class. Faster and dedicated and no caps.
I think last I used AT&T it was $80 per month for 1gb fiber no caps
I think last I used comcast it was about $100 per month for business no caps (don't recall the speed but it was adequate for my use at the time even if not fiber)

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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year
Nov 24, 2020, 11:52
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year Nov 24, 2020, 11:52
Nov 24, 2020, 11:52
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 24, 2020, 11:49:
1.2TB a month? Jesus, I would blow through that in three days just on backup syncing to the offsite alone.
Seriously? Wow. For a guy whose entire career was in the IT industry, I am a Luddite.
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year
Nov 24, 2020, 11:49
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year Nov 24, 2020, 11:49
Nov 24, 2020, 11:49
 
1.2TB a month? Jesus, I would blow through that in three days just on backup syncing to the offsite alone.
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year
Nov 24, 2020, 09:23
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year Nov 24, 2020, 09:23
Nov 24, 2020, 09:23
 
Simon Says wrote on Nov 23, 2020, 20:03:
I guess this is still relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XopZZglrzGo
Yeah, that video pretty much nails it. And it isn't just Comcast that feels that way, you can pretty much apply that to every single cable company and nearly every other ISP and content creator or provider. My question around this would be something along the lines of asking if they have the capacity for everyone of their customers to use 1.2 TB in a month? I'm guessing they don't, which regrettably gives their position some credibility. Thank goodness I escaped Comcast's clutches in the summer of 2018.
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year
Nov 24, 2020, 01:12
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year Nov 24, 2020, 01:12
Nov 24, 2020, 01:12
 
Simon Says wrote on Nov 23, 2020, 20:03:
So... they're essentially charging 100$ for the privilege of unlimited. Typical Comcrap.

And 1.2TB, seriously? My monthly average the last 12 months is around 5TB and not only am I not even trying, but I'm alone on the line, imagine a full household.

I guess this is still relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XopZZglrzGo

That too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso

And before you say 5TB is a lot, I'm on a full duplex 500mbps symmetric fiber line. Fill it 100% for only 12 hours up and down and you get 5.4TB. 5TB is thus just a bit less than 1/60 capacity.

1.2TB... 500mbps full duplex symmetric could, maxed bothways, pop the cap in about 2 hours and 40 minutes.

At this speed you would pay for 2 hours and 40 minutes of full speed access... out of 720.

100mbps symmetric full duplex line? 13 hours and 20 minutes.

Even a 2mbps symmetric full duplex line would pop the cap before the end of the month if you use 100% capacity bothways 24/7. UTTERLY PATHETIC

LOL, I had never seen those videos before. Thought you would go for this one.

Out of curiosity, what are you doing that uses 5+ TB per month? That's like 12 hours of 4K per day.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Nov 24, 2020, 00:16
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Nov 24, 2020, 00:16
 
4K streaming uses 7-14GB per hour, depending on compression, content type, etc. Imagine this mix per day: 2 hours 4K (10GB/hr), 4 hours HD(3GB/hr), 4 hours SD(1GB/hr). It totals out to 36GB per day. That's not a lot for a four person household, each person watching their own feeds. Assume 40GB per day when you add in other activities, like Zoom, game downloads, reading Blues News, etc. 40GB per day for 30 days is 1.2 TB.

Not too hard to hit that limit, especially during pandemic lockdown.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Nov 23, 2020, 23:34
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Nov 23, 2020, 23:34
 
Ozmodan wrote on Nov 23, 2020, 23:26:
The really stupid thing about data caps, it costs them pennies to increase it across all subscribers. If I was limited to Comcast I would move.

Imagine going to a gas station where you bought 20 gallons of gas during the month. You try to buy 1 more and the guy says "sorry, but you hit your cap for the month, most people use 20 or less, so next gallon is 50$".

Yup... it's that stupid.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Nov 23, 2020, 23:26
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Nov 23, 2020, 23:26
 
The really stupid thing about data caps, it costs them pennies to increase it across all subscribers. If I was limited to Comcast I would move.
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year
Nov 23, 2020, 20:41
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Re: Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year Nov 23, 2020, 20:41
Nov 23, 2020, 20:41
 
Simon Says wrote on Nov 23, 2020, 20:03:
So... they're essentially charging 100$ for the privilege of unlimited. Typical Comcrap.

And 1.2TB, seriously? My monthly average the last 12 months is around 5TB and not only am I not even trying, but I'm alone on the line, imagine a full household.

I guess this is still relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XopZZglrzGo

That too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso

And before you say 5TB is a lot, I'm on a full duplex 500mbps symmetric fiber line. Fill it 100% for only 12 hours up and down and you get 5.4TB. 5TB is thus just a bit less than 1/60 capacity.

1.2TB... 500mbps full duplex symmetric could, maxed bothways, pop the cap in about 10 hours.

At this speed you would pay for 2 hours and 40 minutes of full speed access... out of 720.

100mbps symmetric full duplex line? 13 hours and 20 minutes.

Even a 2mbps symmetric full duplex line would pop the cap before the end of the month if you use 100% capacity bothways 24/7. UTTERLY PATHETIC

I've been monopolized into having Comcast in three different states, and every time I've found them to be shameless moneygrubbers who will get you to sign a contract and then raise your rates almost immediately from what they initially sold you on. Hate that company.
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Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year
Nov 23, 2020, 20:03
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Comcast to impose home internet data cap of 1.2TB in more than a dozen US states next year Nov 23, 2020, 20:03
Nov 23, 2020, 20:03
 
So... they're essentially charging 100$ for the privilege of unlimited. Typical Comcrap.

And 1.2TB, seriously? My monthly average the last 12 months is around 5TB and not only am I not even trying, but I'm alone on the line, imagine a full household.

I guess this is still relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XopZZglrzGo

That too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso

And before you say 5TB is a lot, I'm on a full duplex 500mbps symmetric fiber line. Fill it 100% for only 12 hours up and down and you get 5.4TB. 5TB is thus just a bit less than 1/60 capacity.

1.2TB... 500mbps full duplex symmetric could, maxed bothways, pop the cap in about 2 hours and 40 minutes.

At this speed you would pay for 2 hours and 40 minutes of full speed access... out of 720.

100mbps symmetric full duplex line? 13 hours and 20 minutes.

Even a 2mbps symmetric full duplex line would pop the cap before the end of the month if you use 100% capacity bothways 24/7. UTTERLY PATHETIC

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