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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 19, 2020, 10:57
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews Nov 19, 2020, 10:57
Nov 19, 2020, 10:57
 
BIGtrouble77 wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 22:25:
Cutter wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 20:23:
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 18:16:
Simon Says wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 17:10:
RogueSix wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 17:01:
Ray-tracing is more than just reflections. Maybe Google it when you have the time. It could be, literally, quite enlightening Wink .

... in 4-5 years. Until then, very very few people with Ray-tracing capable GPUs will actually enable it. Once the perf drop will settle around 20-25% ( without DLSS ), it'll be worth it. But halving fps? Lol, NOPE.

It's going to be in pretty much all the AAA games due to consoles having it. We'll see different implementations, clever use etc, it will be interesting. Yeah it's not critical, but a lot of nice effects aren't.

I haven't seen a single actual gameplay vid with raytracing that made me get all hard and go, 'Oh baby! I need me some of that!' Point in fact most of the time I'm scratching my head and saying, 'There's supposed to be a difference between the scene on the left and right? Ruh?' You only really see it on ultra, and that eat frames like a mofo and uses way more juice - costing you and the planet more. Maybe it'll be worth in a couple of generations of cards but certainly not now unless you're clinically OCD about these things.

You haven't seen Control with all RTX features turned on at Ultra quality? I agree, but even I can admit that some games look amazing with it turned on.

You must have a very expensive video card to play Control in ultra, not many of us have access to them. I am still not impressed with any of the ray tracing I have seen so far. I would still take a card with no ray tracing over a card with it if the performance was similar.
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 19, 2020, 09:16
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews Nov 19, 2020, 09:16
Nov 19, 2020, 09:16
 
jacobvandy wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 23:24:
Fully ray-traced reflections in a shiny, near-future, very rainy city is the main reason I've played as much of the new Watch Dogs as I have.
Yeah, the RT effects in Watch Dogs: Legion are definitely noticeable. And hasn't anyone watched any of the Cyberpunk 2077 videos (at higher resolution/bitrate, not the 2 bytes per second 1080p Youtube compression)? They look breathtaking (*giggles*) to me, and are greatly enhanced by RT.

Any new impactful graphics technology always takes time to become ubiquitous and for hardware to catch up in handling it. RT is not a gimmick, it isn't going away, and each hardware generation will get better at running it until you'll just always enable it without a second thought.
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 23:24
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews Nov 18, 2020, 23:24
Nov 18, 2020, 23:24
 
Fully ray-traced reflections in a shiny, near-future, very rainy city is the main reason I've played as much of the new Watch Dogs as I have.

Yeah, you aren't paying attention to it the whole time, and part of that is because it's so realistic that your brain just kind of accepts it as ordinary -- you don't walk around in real life marveling at the reflections, either. But every so often you catch your character's mirror image in a place you weren't expecting, like a marble planter box you took cover behind, or some ostentatious architecture that reflects the entire outdoor scene in such an uncanny way that you stop to inspect it and whether all the angles make sense...

It's a series of miniature mind-blowing moments that actually do enhance the rest of the gameplay, and isn't that the very reason why you spend so much money on bleeding edge PC hardware, to experience those little graphical innovations as soon as they happen?

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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 22:25
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews Nov 18, 2020, 22:25
Nov 18, 2020, 22:25
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 20:23:
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 18:16:
Simon Says wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 17:10:
RogueSix wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 17:01:
Ray-tracing is more than just reflections. Maybe Google it when you have the time. It could be, literally, quite enlightening Wink .

... in 4-5 years. Until then, very very few people with Ray-tracing capable GPUs will actually enable it. Once the perf drop will settle around 20-25% ( without DLSS ), it'll be worth it. But halving fps? Lol, NOPE.

It's going to be in pretty much all the AAA games due to consoles having it. We'll see different implementations, clever use etc, it will be interesting. Yeah it's not critical, but a lot of nice effects aren't.

I haven't seen a single actual gameplay vid with raytracing that made me get all hard and go, 'Oh baby! I need me some of that!' Point in fact most of the time I'm scratching my head and saying, 'There's supposed to be a difference between the scene on the left and right? Ruh?' You only really see it on ultra, and that eat frames like a mofo and uses way more juice - costing you and the planet more. Maybe it'll be worth in a couple of generations of cards but certainly not now unless you're clinically OCD about these things.

You haven't seen Control with all RTX features turned on at Ultra quality? I agree, but even I can admit that some games look amazing with it turned on.
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 20:50
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews Nov 18, 2020, 20:50
Nov 18, 2020, 20:50
 MattyC
 
Well the cool aspects of RTX are something you really need to experience IMO. It doesn’t seem nearly as impressive in videos. It’s all the lighting interacting (e.g. light from your weapon interacting with light from the environment and other weapons or explosions) together. If you can’t see it in person, well I don’t know how, but so what? That just means you get to save a lot of money for now.

Physx, 3D, VR it doesn’t all pan out and you get to choose what you buy into. Such is the beauty of PC gaming.

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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 20:23
Cutter
 
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews Nov 18, 2020, 20:23
Nov 18, 2020, 20:23
 Cutter
 
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 18:16:
Simon Says wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 17:10:
RogueSix wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 17:01:
Ray-tracing is more than just reflections. Maybe Google it when you have the time. It could be, literally, quite enlightening Wink .

... in 4-5 years. Until then, very very few people with Ray-tracing capable GPUs will actually enable it. Once the perf drop will settle around 20-25% ( without DLSS ), it'll be worth it. But halving fps? Lol, NOPE.

It's going to be in pretty much all the AAA games due to consoles having it. We'll see different implementations, clever use etc, it will be interesting. Yeah it's not critical, but a lot of nice effects aren't.

I haven't seen a single actual gameplay vid with raytracing that made me get all hard and go, 'Oh baby! I need me some of that!' Point in fact most of the time I'm scratching my head and saying, 'There's supposed to be a difference between the scene on the left and right? Ruh?' You only really see it on ultra, and that eat frames like a mofo and uses way more juice - costing you and the planet more. Maybe it'll be worth in a couple of generations of cards but certainly not now unless you're clinically OCD about these things.

"Hot air hangs like a dead man, from a white oak tree. People sitting on porches, thinking how things used to be. It's a dark night...dark night."
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 19:30
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews Nov 18, 2020, 19:30
Nov 18, 2020, 19:30
 
bigspender wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 18:43:
RogueSix wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 17:01:
Ray-tracing is more than just reflections. Maybe Google it when you have the time. It could be, literally, quite enlightening Wink .

I know what ray tracing is, I was being hyperbolic


Still, going by the PS5 line up theres not a loy going on in the ray tracing department currently and I'd say that's the the trend to expect going forward on all platforms. Especially the option to turn it off to literally double the FPS.

The only use cases to turn RTX on seems to be making old/ugly games like Quake and minecraft to look modern.
They still look fugly.
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 18:43
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews Nov 18, 2020, 18:43
Nov 18, 2020, 18:43
 
RogueSix wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 17:01:
Ray-tracing is more than just reflections. Maybe Google it when you have the time. It could be, literally, quite enlightening Wink .

I know what ray tracing is, I was being hyperbolic


Still, going by the PS5 line up theres not a loy going on in the ray tracing department currently and I'd say that's the the trend to expect going forward on all platforms. Especially the option to turn it off to literally double the FPS.

The only use cases to turn RTX on seems to be making old/ugly games like Quake and minecraft to look modern.
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 18:26
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews Nov 18, 2020, 18:26
Nov 18, 2020, 18:26
 
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 14:11:
Those with a current AMD and drivers...

First 6800XT and 3080 are very close, each has their strengths that have been measured.

There are some things that I really like with NVidia software that I use all the time or often, does AMD have any equivalent?

#1 In NV Control Panel I can set all games to run at 40% Sharpness (I can choose off to 100%) why this is important to me is we all know TAA will cause bluriness and still a lot of games themselves don't add the sharpness back in. This feature is a godsend to me, it makes TAA tits. And games that do have the sharpness the 40% doesn't over do it. Does AMD have anything like that?

#2 GeForce Softwar Alt-Z, you can go into Game Filter for quite a few of the big games and adjust color, brightness, HDR effect, Sharpen Effects etc. It is basically re-shade built in. No fuss, no muss and there is almost always a tweak here or there that I can make a game simply look better. This one is more nice to have over #1.

I know there are other Nvidia things they do, but I think #1 for me could be the biggest. Is there a good place to see all the AMD software features they have?

There are probably some YT videos showing off the "Radeon Software". The 2020 version should let you adjust/override settings globally for AA and Anisotropic, tesselation settings for games individually. The software I think has detected all of the games I have installed, certainly the steam ones it has.

On #2, it does look like you can set it for individual games for color/brightness. I've not messed with it myself so I don't know if it works on the fly though.

Man, T&L... that brings back the memories. I think it was almost two years before I played a game that used it.
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 18:16
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews Nov 18, 2020, 18:16
Nov 18, 2020, 18:16
 
Simon Says wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 17:10:
RogueSix wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 17:01:
Ray-tracing is more than just reflections. Maybe Google it when you have the time. It could be, literally, quite enlightening Wink .

... in 4-5 years. Until then, very very few people with Ray-tracing capable GPUs will actually enable it. Once the perf drop will settle around 20-25% ( without DLSS ), it'll be worth it. But halving fps? Lol, NOPE.

It's going to be in pretty much all the AAA games due to consoles having it. We'll see different implementations, clever use etc, it will be interesting. Yeah it's not critical, but a lot of nice effects aren't.
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 18:14
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews Nov 18, 2020, 18:14
Nov 18, 2020, 18:14
 
Simon Says wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 15:31:
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 14:35:
Side bar on the Tech Power up Overall Avgs, look at a 1060 vs a 2060. People made fun of the 20x0 series but 1060 avg frames at 1080P for all games is: 59 FPS on the 2060 it is 96 frames, that is almost a 100% increase, that is massive.

96 over 59 is not 100%, it's 62.7% AND at an increased 62.5% in cost.

It's a dead horse at this point, but since you tried to re-animate the rotting corpse...

Ok I didn't do the math but it was still hefty (did a quick 50-100 thing), I'm just saying that is still a healthy boost and yeah the cost of the cards have a gone up and stayed.
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 18:01
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews Nov 18, 2020, 18:01
Nov 18, 2020, 18:01
 
theglaze wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 12:15:
Not that you can actually buy one...............

There's a whole bunch on Ebay. <sic>
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 17:16
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews Nov 18, 2020, 17:16
Nov 18, 2020, 17:16
 
bigspender wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 15:40:
Ray tracing is still a joke for both nvidia and AMD. Why would amyone want to half their performance for a bunch of reflections you'll never notice lol..... Yeah you can buy a 3090 and pay $500 extra for some glass refections and puddles at 60fps.

You'd be crazy

Even if ray tracing was only "just a bunch of reflections that you'll never notice"... the next gen APIs, consoles, and PC games are all supporting it.
That makes the feature a bit more viable than the early adopters that bought RTX20x0 series... the "killer app" this time around being Cyberpunk.

But I get your point. If they offered a GTX3080 for $200 less than and RTX3080... I probably would consider it, because it is still rather "early" for adoption (IMO).
Get your games from GOG DAMMIT!
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 17:10
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Nov 18, 2020, 17:10
 
RogueSix wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 17:01:
Ray-tracing is more than just reflections. Maybe Google it when you have the time. It could be, literally, quite enlightening Wink .

... in 4-5 years. Until then, very very few people with Ray-tracing capable GPUs will actually enable it. Once the perf drop will settle around 20-25% ( without DLSS ), it'll be worth it. But halving fps? Lol, NOPE.
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 17:01
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Nov 18, 2020, 17:01
 
Ray-tracing is more than just reflections. Maybe Google it when you have the time. It could be, literally, quite enlightening Wink .
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 15:40
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Nov 18, 2020, 15:40
 
Ray tracing is still a joke for both nvidia and AMD. Why would amyone want to half their performance for a bunch of reflections you'll never notice lol..... Yeah you can buy a 3090 and pay $500 extra for some glass refections and puddles at 60fps.

You'd be crazy
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 15:31
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Nov 18, 2020, 15:31
 
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 14:35:
Side bar on the Tech Power up Overall Avgs, look at a 1060 vs a 2060. People made fun of the 20x0 series but 1060 avg frames at 1080P for all games is: 59 FPS on the 2060 it is 96 frames, that is almost a 100% increase, that is massive.

96 over 59 is not 100%, it's 62.7% AND at an increased 62.5% in cost.

It's a dead horse at this point, but since you tried to re-animate the rotting corpse...
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 14:43
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Nov 18, 2020, 14:43
 
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 14:35:
Side bar on the Tech Power up Overall Avgs, look at a 1060 vs a 2060. People made fun of the 20x0 series but 1060 avg frames at 1080P for all games is: 59 FPS on the 2060 it is 96 frames, that is almost a 100% increase, that is massive.

This page: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6800/30.html

As for the newer cards, man anything 3070-6800 up is sweet if you have the cash.

Yes and no, you still have to see the specs of the system. You can put a Ferrari engine in a Yugo body but you still won't see Ferrari performance.
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 14:35
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Nov 18, 2020, 14:35
 
Side bar on the Tech Power up Overall Avgs, look at a 1060 vs a 2060. People made fun of the 20x0 series but 1060 avg frames at 1080P for all games is: 59 FPS on the 2060 it is 96 frames, that is almost a 100% increase, that is massive.

This page: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6800/30.html

As for the newer cards, man anything 3070-6800 up is sweet if you have the cash.
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Re: AMD RX 6800 & 6800XT Reviews
Nov 18, 2020, 14:15
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Nov 18, 2020, 14:15
 
El Pit wrote on Nov 18, 2020, 12:51:
Competitive cards that fall flat on their faces as soon as it comes to raytracing... But still a nice try by AMD

Agreed.

6800XT vs RTX 3080:

$50 less expensive (Than FE) vs. giving up some Ray Tracing Performance and Trusting AMD's Driver Department.

I think I'd spend the extra $50, thank you.

I'm still looking at building a Zen 3 rig though... so this is not a "fan-boy" conclusion on my part.
Rocket Lake would have to utterly spank Zen 3 in IPC for me to change my mind on that.
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