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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 6, 2020, 02:54
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 6, 2020, 02:54
Nov 6, 2020, 02:54
 
Kudos to AMD with this generation of chips. A big thing to consider is that they can be placed in older motherboards, so your upgrade path is much cheaper. Great stuff from AMD. More competition can never be a bad thing.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 19:48
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 19:48
Nov 5, 2020, 19:48
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 14:02:
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 13:53:
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 13:45:
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 12:12:
These only lasted slightly longer than the Nvidia 3000 GPUs before selling out. I was able to snag a 5800x though.
Awesome, what cooling option are you going to use?

I won't be doing any overclocking, so I went with the Noctua NH-U12S chromax.Black.

I won't be OCing either. Any particular reason for that cooler? Is a single fan good enough for the 3800X? I know the double fan coolers for BQ and Noctua aren't that much more? Is that just overkill and a waste of money?
I have one of these coolers on my Intel chip for more than 8 years. It runs almost 24 7, and never fails. Keeping your CPU cool is the to longevity.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 19:08
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 19:08
Nov 5, 2020, 19:08
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 19:02:
This was the vid - How Many Case Fans Do You REALLY Need? - results infographic at 8:18 in the video. Oddly his best results are 2 top - intake, 2 front, 1 rear. However I do agree with the concern of sucking in dust, filters or no. So I think I'll go with the standard intake exhaust setup. Because I want to prioritize quiet - besides airflow and cooling - I'm guessing 140mm fans are the best way to go?
Yeah, 140mm fans can push more air at a lower RPM, so they're typically quieter.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 19:02
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 19:02
Nov 5, 2020, 19:02
 
This was the vid - How Many Case Fans Do You REALLY Need? - results infographic at 8:18 in the video. Oddly his best results are 2 top - intake, 2 front, 1 rear. However I do agree with the concern of sucking in dust, filters or no. So I think I'll go with the standard intake exhaust setup. Because I want to prioritize quiet - besides airflow and cooling - I'm guessing 140mm fans are the best way to go?
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 18:00
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 18:00
Nov 5, 2020, 18:00
 
I dunno, strictly for gaming the i7-10700K is $380 and the r7-5800X is $450. It actually seems like Intel is the better deal building a gaming PC looking at these framerate tests. Overall congrats though AMD the 5800X is a beast.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 17:36
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 17:36
Nov 5, 2020, 17:36
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 17:09:
The mounting brackets for the fan on my Hyper 212 EVO broke...
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 17:19
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 17:19
Nov 5, 2020, 17:19
 
I'm confident I'm going to get one, but in most benches not much of a change from the 3700x to say a 5600X series. One shows a lot of improvement and one the older series is faster, not sure how that happens.

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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 17:09
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 17:09
Nov 5, 2020, 17:09
 
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 15:37:
Cutter wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 14:02:
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 13:53:
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 13:45:
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 12:12:
These only lasted slightly longer than the Nvidia 3000 GPUs before selling out. I was able to snag a 5800x though.
Awesome, what cooling option are you going to use?

I won't be doing any overclocking, so I went with the Noctua NH-U12S chromax.Black.

I won't be OCing either. Any particular reason for that cooler? Is a single fan good enough for the 3800X? I know the double fan coolers for BQ and Noctua aren't that much more? Is that just overkill and a waste of money?
I went with Noctua because they are top-of-the-line when it comes to air cooling, though they are a bit more on the expensive side. As RedEye9 pointed out, you could save some money by going with the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO family (the new V2 is best, Black Edition looks nicest IMO). It doesn't cool quite as well as Noctua or some others, but they're solid, and if you're not overclocking, it'll be fine.

One heatsink fan is usually enough, especially if you have a few case fans with decent airflow, but if not, 2 couldn't hurt. Most of the single fan heatsinks come with a bracket to allow you to add a second fan later if you'd like.

I have the Hyper 212 EVO with Noctua NF-A20s.
Highly recommend the NF-A20s. Quiet as anything.

The mounting brackets for the fan on my Hyper 212 EVO broke, and given that I live in an apartment in Manhattan with limited space, I didn't keep the spare mounting brackets. Cooler Master no longer has them readily available from the store, and on eBay they were basically the same price as the unit itself. I ended up buying an entirely new Hyper 212 EVO just for the brackets and tossing the rest. Sucked.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 16:41
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 16:41
Nov 5, 2020, 16:41
 
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 16:23:
Cutter wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 16:14:
Thanks for all that Nullity.

Question - for anyone actually: Should top fans in the case draw air in or out? I saw a vid a few weeks back where a guy tested that and I seem to recall that it worked better drawing air in because that would cross the CPU fan and blow it out the back, rather than drawing excess hot air from the area and blowing it out of the case. Just wondering if anyone knows for sure.
Front fans are for intake, top and rear are for exhaust (hot air rises).

EDIT: I'm fairly certain that if you made the top fans intake, it would create a cross-flow and cycle the air around in the case, causing the hot air to become trapped.

EDIT 2: Also, ideally, you want slightly more air coming in than going out (CFM - cubic feet per minute) to create positive pressure in the case, which helps to prevent dust build-up.

It's all about the circumstances of your chassis build (components, available fan mounts) and environment (dust or pet hair, desk or floor operation).

I prioritize quiet operation (slower fans), low maintenance (fan filters), and cooling the video card (it's more fragile than the CPU+mobo).

The negative vs. positive pressure differences are minor and situational to your chassis design. Just aim for roughly balanced airflow with routinely cleaned fan filters.

I dislike top fans blowing in because dust/hair settles on the top (especially when the computer is off), and it all gets sucked into the filters. Also, if you chassis is living in a place where it is at risk to accidental spill of your favorite liquid, top fans blowing in means the liquid will be pushed directly into your components. And your Ryzen becomes Fryzen...
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 16:23
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 16:23
Nov 5, 2020, 16:23
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 16:14:
Thanks for all that Nullity.

Question - for anyone actually: Should top fans in the case draw air in or out? I saw a vid a few weeks back where a guy tested that and I seem to recall that it worked better drawing air in because that would cross the CPU fan and blow it out the back, rather than drawing excess hot air from the area and blowing it out of the case. Just wondering if anyone knows for sure.
Front fans are for intake, top and rear are for exhaust (hot air rises).

EDIT: I'm fairly certain that if you made the top fans intake, it would create a cross-flow and cycle the air around in the case, causing the hot air to become trapped.

EDIT 2: Also, ideally, you want slightly more air coming in than going out (CFM - cubic feet per minute) to create positive pressure in the case, which helps to prevent dust build-up.

This comment was edited on Nov 5, 2020, 16:35.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 16:14
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 16:14
Nov 5, 2020, 16:14
 
Thanks for all that Nullity.

Question - for anyone actually: Should top fans in the case draw air in or out? I saw a vid a few weeks back where a guy tested that and I seem to recall that it worked better drawing air in because that would cross the CPU fan and blow it out the back, rather than drawing excess hot air from the area and blowing it out of the case. Just wondering if anyone knows for sure.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 15:46
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 15:46
Nov 5, 2020, 15:46
 
damnit
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 15:37
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 15:37
Nov 5, 2020, 15:37
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 14:02:
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 13:53:
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 13:45:
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 12:12:
These only lasted slightly longer than the Nvidia 3000 GPUs before selling out. I was able to snag a 5800x though.
Awesome, what cooling option are you going to use?

I won't be doing any overclocking, so I went with the Noctua NH-U12S chromax.Black.

I won't be OCing either. Any particular reason for that cooler? Is a single fan good enough for the 3800X? I know the double fan coolers for BQ and Noctua aren't that much more? Is that just overkill and a waste of money?
I went with Noctua because they are top-of-the-line when it comes to air cooling, though they are a bit more on the expensive side. As RedEye9 pointed out, you could save some money by going with the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO family (the new V2 is best, Black Edition looks nicest IMO). It doesn't cool quite as well as Noctua or some others, but they're solid, and if you're not overclocking, it'll be fine.

One heatsink fan is usually enough, especially if you have a few case fans with decent airflow, but if not, 2 couldn't hurt. Most of the single fan heatsinks come with a bracket to allow you to add a second fan later if you'd like.
Buy/HODL AMC! (Disclaimer: I am not a financial advisor / this is not financial advice)
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 15:09
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 15:09
Nov 5, 2020, 15:09
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 13:59:
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 12:12:
These only lasted slightly longer than the Nvidia 3000 GPUs before selling out. I was able to snag a 5800x though.

Yeah, after reading this article - Ryzen 7 3700X vs 3800X vs 3800XT: Which Should You Get? the 3800X seems to be the best value for the money. The 3800X here is only $30 bux more expensive than the 3700X and $40 less than the 3800XT. And the XT runs hotter and uses more power. So I think that's settled for me.

What are you going with for mobo, RAM, etc.? I've been reading a lot of X570 mobo reviews - to the point I'm going cross-eyed - and I think I'll be going with Gigabyte this time around as they and MSI seem to have the best VRMs but they're saying Gigabyte is the best at getting BIOS updates out on the double. RAM? I've always used Corsair but I'm open to suggestions - from anyone. I'm guessing 32GB DDR4, not sure about mem speed for now. Suppose that depends on the board. Not doing any RGB anymore I just want a cool, quiet case. Be Quiet I guess. Any suggestions anyone?

I'll be waiting for the new AMDs to drop before I figure out what I'm doing there.
Here is my build.

I went with the B550 chipset over X570. They are generally cheaper, and pretty close to feature parity. B550 supports 24 PCIe 4 lanes from the CPU, which gives you a 16x GPU sot and one M.2 NVMe slot. The second 16x PCIe and M.2 slots run off the chipset and are limited to PCIe 3, but that's not an issue for me - I will only have 1 GPU, and I don't foresee having more than 1 PCIe 4 NVMe drive for quite awhile (my current drive is PCIe 3 anyway). Whereas X570 also supports additional lanes from the chipset, so 2 PCIe 4 16x slots and 2 M.2 slots. X570 also supports some extra USB ports, but other than that, they're pretty much the same.

I picked that particular mobo (Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING - never had an issue with ASUS) because I also wanted an Intel NIC. Some of the cheaper ones and/or other brands only have Realtek, and in my experience, it just isn't as reliable/stable. Though it's been awhile since I've used anything other than Intel, so that could have changed.

I went with DDR4 3600, as it's the price/performance sweet-spot, and it was on the mobo compatibility list. Faster than that starts getting much more expensive. I usually stick with G.SKILL these days, but Corsair/Crucial are also good. 16 GB seems to be the minimum these days, so I went with 32GB.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 14:08
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 14:08
Nov 5, 2020, 14:08
 
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 13:53:
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 13:45:
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 12:12:
These only lasted slightly longer than the Nvidia 3000 GPUs before selling out. I was able to snag a 5800x though.
Awesome, what cooling option are you going to use?
I won't be doing any overclocking, so I went with the Noctua NH-U12S chromax.Black.
That's a great choice. You can never go wrong with Noctua.
If money is super tight there's always the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO family - a little less cooling and a little bit louder, but not by much.

OMFG
LOL

Making A Hyper 212 EVO Perform Better Than A Noctua NH-U12A
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 14:05
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Nov 5, 2020, 14:05
 
Shortages just another side effect of global recession caused by covid 19. These are from June, and it's gotten worst every day and the catastrophic winter hasn't even hit yet.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 14:02
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 14:02
Nov 5, 2020, 14:02
 
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 13:53:
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 13:45:
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 12:12:
These only lasted slightly longer than the Nvidia 3000 GPUs before selling out. I was able to snag a 5800x though.
Awesome, what cooling option are you going to use?

I won't be doing any overclocking, so I went with the Noctua NH-U12S chromax.Black.

I won't be OCing either. Any particular reason for that cooler? Is a single fan good enough for the 3800X? I know the double fan coolers for BQ and Noctua aren't that much more? Is that just overkill and a waste of money?
"Joey, do you ever hang around the gymnasium?" - Captain Clarence Oveur
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 13:59
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Nov 5, 2020, 13:59
 
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 12:12:
These only lasted slightly longer than the Nvidia 3000 GPUs before selling out. I was able to snag a 5800x though.

Yeah, after reading this article - Ryzen 7 3700X vs 3800X vs 3800XT: Which Should You Get? the 3800X seems to be the best value for the money. The 3800X here is only $30 bux more expensive than the 3700X and $40 less than the 3800XT. And the XT runs hotter and uses more power. So I think that's settled for me.

What are you going with for mobo, RAM, etc.? I've been reading a lot of X570 mobo reviews - to the point I'm going cross-eyed - and I think I'll be going with Gigabyte this time around as they and MSI seem to have the best VRMs but they're saying Gigabyte is the best at getting BIOS updates out on the double. RAM? I've always used Corsair but I'm open to suggestions - from anyone. I'm guessing 32GB DDR4, not sure about mem speed for now. Suppose that depends on the board. Not doing any RGB anymore I just want a cool, quiet case. Be Quiet I guess. Any suggestions anyone?

I'll be waiting for the new AMDs to drop before I figure out what I'm doing there.
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 13:53
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 13:53
Nov 5, 2020, 13:53
 
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 13:45:
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 12:12:
These only lasted slightly longer than the Nvidia 3000 GPUs before selling out. I was able to snag a 5800x though.
Awesome, what cooling option are you going to use?
I won't be doing any overclocking, so I went with the Noctua NH-U12S chromax.Black.
Buy/HODL AMC! (Disclaimer: I am not a financial advisor / this is not financial advice)
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews
Nov 5, 2020, 13:45
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Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Reviews Nov 5, 2020, 13:45
Nov 5, 2020, 13:45
 
Nullity wrote on Nov 5, 2020, 12:12:
These only lasted slightly longer than the Nvidia 3000 GPUs before selling out. I was able to snag a 5800x though.
Awesome, what cooling option are you going to use?
- At this point, Windows is the OS equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome. -
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