AMD Radeon RX 6000 Series Announced

AMD today announced their AMD Radeon RX 6000 Series Graphics Cards. The lineup is the RX 6800, the Radeon RX 6800 XT for enthusiasts, and the top-of-the-line RX 6900 XT. Here's an overview of the new "Big Navi" cards:
The AMD Radeon RX 6000 Series represents the forefront of extreme engineering and design, delivering ultra-high frame rates and serious levels of 4K resolution gaming. Powerful new compute units, and the all new AMD Infinity Cache along with up to 16GB of dedicated GDDR6 memory, enables the ultimate gaming experience.

AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT Graphics AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Graphics AMD Radeon RX 6800 Graphics
Compute Units: 80
Ray Accelerators: 80
Game Frequency: Up to 2015 MHz
Infinity Cache: 128 MB
Max Memory Size: 16 GB
Memory Type (GPU): GDDR6
Compute Units: 72
Ray Accelerators: 72
Game Frequency: Up to 2015 MHz
Infinity Cache: 128 MB
Max Memory Size: 16 GB
Memory Type (GPU): GDDR6
Compute Units: 60
Ray Accelerators: 60
Game Frequency: Up to 1815 MHz
Infinity Cache: 128 MB
Max Memory Size: 16 GB
Memory Type (GPU): GDDR6

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Re: AMD Radeon RX 6000 Series Announced
Oct 29, 2020, 11:55
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Oct 29, 2020, 11:55
 
As I said in another thread... AMD does have a poor reputation for their GPU drivers, and needs to show some good faith (Discount + Stable Drivers for a long period of time) in order to get nVidia Market share.

Looks like they have the Discount covered, especially fro the 6900XT, although I'm iffy that the 6800 non-XT is actually worth $80 more.
Then again the 6800 non-XT does have the full 16GB of vram where a 3070 only has 8GB, which sort of justifies the $80. That said I'd be happy with an 8GB 6800 for less than the 3070, since I game at 1080p and don't really need more than 8GB)

Stable Drivers for a long period of time? A leap of faith by customers will be needed for early adopters in order for AMD to prove that the 5000 series driver issues will not be repeated.

Obviously the last factor is going to be supply. If they can keep scalpers mostly out of the picture and have a larger supply... AMD will probably come out on top. (Even though I think the initial supply will get sold out too, probably more people will have a chance)

Recap Pros / Cons for AMD:

Pros:
* Less expensive for comparable performance (I'll include the 6800 non-XT due to the amount of VRAM vs. the 3070)
* Super great deal on a 6900 XT compared to a 3090
* Less Power usage (Some pretty trick new tech with infinity cache, rage mode, and smart access cache (if you have a Zen 3 and a"select title"))
* Potentially better initial Supply(?)

Cons:
* Potentially lower Ray Tracing performance(?)
* No DLSS
* Smart Access Cache limited by "Select Titles" and having a Zen 3 (which the latter isn't so bad)
* Bad Driver Reputation
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Oct 29, 2020, 10:53
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Oct 29, 2020, 10:53
 
Bhruic wrote on Oct 29, 2020, 05:39:
It's weird seeing so many people hyped on these cards when I remember other threads where people were talking about how shitty the AMD drivers were, and how they still had major bugs in the 5x00 line. Doesn't seem like there's much reason to believe they are going to magically come up with better drivers this time around. The nVidia cards might not be as good, but at least their drivers usually get to a decent point.

Well I don't recall a "nVidia cards might not be as good" any time in recent history, they've only been the best in performance.
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Oct 29, 2020, 09:52
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bigspender wrote on Oct 29, 2020, 06:13:
I've got an RX 5700 used to crash daily (as in completely lock the whole pc), then weekly, and now haven't crash for well over 6 maybe 9 months. I have had a game freeze up, but that's probably more to do with ubisoft/vulkan. Hopefully that stability carries through to the new card's drivers too.
That's... really encouraging... yeah!
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Oct 29, 2020, 06:13
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Oct 29, 2020, 06:13
 
VaranDragon wrote on Oct 29, 2020, 05:51:
Bhruic wrote on Oct 29, 2020, 05:39:
It's weird seeing so many people hyped on these cards when I remember other threads where people were talking about how shitty the AMD drivers were, and how they still had major bugs in the 5x00 line. Doesn't seem like there's much reason to believe they are going to magically come up with better drivers this time around. The nVidia cards might not be as good, but at least their drivers usually get to a decent point.

Well it's not like they are working in a vacuum. I mean they've had quite a bit of time to fix up the drivers for the 5x00 line, and apparently they seem to work fine now. So no it's not about magically coming up with great drivers, it's taking what they've learned from the past few years and trying to deliver a decent set of drivers this time round.


I've got an RX 5700 used to crash daily (as in completely lock the whole pc), then weekly, and now haven't crash for well over 6 maybe 9 months. I have had a game freeze up, but that's probably more to do with ubisoft/vulkan. Hopefully that stability carries through to the new card's drivers too.
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Oct 29, 2020, 05:51
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Oct 29, 2020, 05:51
 
Bhruic wrote on Oct 29, 2020, 05:39:
It's weird seeing so many people hyped on these cards when I remember other threads where people were talking about how shitty the AMD drivers were, and how they still had major bugs in the 5x00 line. Doesn't seem like there's much reason to believe they are going to magically come up with better drivers this time around. The nVidia cards might not be as good, but at least their drivers usually get to a decent point.

Well it's not like they are working in a vacuum. I mean they've had quite a bit of time to fix up the drivers for the 5x00 line, and apparently they seem to work fine now. So no it's not about magically coming up with great drivers, it's taking what they've learned from the past few years and trying to deliver a decent set of drivers this time round.
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Oct 29, 2020, 05:39
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Oct 29, 2020, 05:39
 
It's weird seeing so many people hyped on these cards when I remember other threads where people were talking about how shitty the AMD drivers were, and how they still had major bugs in the 5x00 line. Doesn't seem like there's much reason to believe they are going to magically come up with better drivers this time around. The nVidia cards might not be as good, but at least their drivers usually get to a decent point.
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Oct 29, 2020, 05:30
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Oct 29, 2020, 05:30
 
Ludomancer wrote on Oct 28, 2020, 23:07:
nVidia has become one of the creepiest companies around, and acts like a total dick to their consumers most of the time, hiding it behind hype and polygons.

However, never, ever buy an ATI/AMD GPU. Never buy one. Never. Never. Never.

What a ridiculous statement. Been using AMD cards for a long time, never had an issue with them. Nice to see that Nvidia has competition now.
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Oct 29, 2020, 05:26
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Oct 29, 2020, 05:26
 
PropheT wrote on Oct 28, 2020, 17:57:
Dev wrote on Oct 28, 2020, 16:51:
TheJedi wrote on Oct 28, 2020, 15:53:
And as far as diss tech there has to be quality games that take serious advantage and enough of those games out for anyone to worry about.
dlss But anyway, sounds like AMD will have a different DLSS tech? So games will have to have updates to support both? Hopefully that will be easy to do.
And I'm seeing predictions that AMD DLSS will be the main one going forward because it's the same tech on consoles.

AMD has FidelityFX CAS, but they didn't highlight it at all in today's announcement, and you can bet that they would have if it had any of the hype to it that DLSS does. FidelityFX doesn't actually require an AMD card, though, so if it does turn into something worthwhile it'll be good for everyone.

DLSS is already making a pretty good difference in games that have it. Avengers shipped with FidelityFX and just added DLSS, and DLSS adds 20-25% performance to the game while FidelityFX does pretty much nothing. Cyberpunk 2077 will support DLSS, Mechwarrior V does already (and is far better with it enabled), Control uses DLSS extremely well, the Call of Duty games and Fortnite use it, Metro Exodus uses it, Monster Hunter World, Tomb Raider, and so on. DLSS has good games for it already and more on the way, including the biggest game coming out if it ever stops getting delayed.

I am going to have to disagree with your statement. I have most of those games and notice very little difference when DLSS is on. Your 20-25% performance claims are more like 5-10% at best. IMO, if AMD can provide something comparable they don't have a high bar to attain.
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Oct 29, 2020, 03:31
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Oct 29, 2020, 03:31
 
It's disappointing that their "mid" range card is priced more than the 3070, which it directly competes with, and like many have mentioned nothing about DLSS and raytracing, which might mean that the tech is nowhere near ready which is again disappointing.

The 6800 (non XT) looks right up my alley, but I just might upgrade for the XT variant now, since it's obviously the better deal compared to Nvidia. In any case I'm not going to decide right away & I doubt I will be upgrading before Cyberpunk ships, by then things will be a lot clearer on how AMD's cards handle raytracing & DLSS.

If I do buy the XT, this will be my first "high" end card since the Voodoo 3.

In any case I need to future-proof for VR and DCS World (which is the only thing I actually play continually) so whatever I end up buying (Nvidia or AMD) it looks like AMD's comeback is assured and consumers are going to be the beneficiaries.
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Oct 28, 2020, 23:07
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nVidia has become one of the creepiest companies around, and acts like a total dick to their consumers most of the time, hiding it behind hype and polygons.

However, never, ever buy an ATI/AMD GPU. Never buy one. Never. Never. Never.


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Oct 28, 2020, 22:57
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Oct 28, 2020, 22:57
 
so did they give up on HBM/2? is it inferior to gddr, or just too expensive?
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Oct 28, 2020, 19:44
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Oct 28, 2020, 19:44
 
Slick wrote on Oct 28, 2020, 18:43:
You're thinking of the access system memory or whatever it's called, using the GDDR6 to feed the CPU. And I read that this will only happen if a game is specifically developed to support this feature, it's not universal.

Yeah... "smart access memory"... gives the CPU "full access" to GPU memory for Ryzen 5000 series processors.

I'd like to know where you saw that games need to be specifically developed for this because from everything I've watched / read... that has not been mentioned.

The games listed on AMD's site aren't exactly new and I doubt have been programmed for this feature.

EDIT: Oh wait! DuH! accross the top it says "up to 11% On SELECT Titles" Rolleyes But that could also mean they did something in the drivers, not the developers coding specifically... no?

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Oct 28, 2020, 18:43
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wtf_man wrote on Oct 28, 2020, 18:30:
Just remember... some of those slides are with "rage mode" enabled... meaning you need a Zen 3 system to take advantage of that. Intel users are SOL.

Rage mode is just their software auto-overclocking tool, I'm sure users will be able to achieve higher overclocks manually, just like we've always done.

You're thinking of the access system memory or whatever it's called, using the GDDR6 to feed the CPU. And I read that this will only happen if a game is specifically developed to support this feature, it's not universal.

But yes, some slides were using this, some weren't the earlier slides weren't which showed them being equal to nVidia in 4k and 1440p. So Who the hell knows.
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Oct 28, 2020, 18:30
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Oct 28, 2020, 18:30
 
Just remember... some of those slides are with "rage mode" enabled... meaning you need a Zen 3 system to take advantage of that. Intel users are SOL.
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Oct 28, 2020, 18:22
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MIA: Any talk of TFLOPS, also ray-tracing. No TFLOPS talk because nVidia have already poisoned that well with their ridiculous made-up metrics. Gotta say, seeing: "Compute Units: 72, Ray Accelerators: 72" is bloody refreshing, as oppoed to big green's 212 tera-ray-flops or whatever that makes no sense. Also that according to all the smart reviewers, an Ampere rasterization FLOP is only worth 2/3rds a Turing FLOP.

I'm not worried about RT, because as the review embargo on WD:Legion lifted today, it's confirmed that Ray Tracing is still an utter gimmick, although it does look pretty. If you want playable framerates, you won't be enabling it at least with this game:

https://www.dsogaming.com/pc-performance-analyses/watch-dogs-legion-dlss-2-0-ray-tracing-benchmarks/

All bout that vertical-integration corporate dominance baby yeah! And I'm talking about developers programming for AMD CPUs and GPUs with near 1-to-1 equivalents available to the PC master race.

I have a 3080 still on preorder from Amazon, but I'm getting close to cancelling it. Still gonna need to see actual reviews. I don't trust 6 cherry-picked benchmarks that rely on overclocking and the smart memory feature. And as others have points out, these are benched on an AMD 5xxx cpu, which is significantly faster than anything else, so all comparison benchmarks are basically worthless. Apples and oranges.

Trying to suppress my gut instinct to just support AMD to give the finger to nVidia, I need to go on solid facts. Ugh.... so sick of nVidia's shit though, they need to be spanked in this generation's GPU warz.

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Oct 28, 2020, 18:20
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PropheT wrote on Oct 28, 2020, 17:57:
DLSS is already making a pretty good difference in games that have it. Avengers shipped with FidelityFX and just added DLSS, and DLSS adds 20-25% performance to the game while FidelityFX does pretty much nothing. Cyberpunk 2077 will support DLSS, Mechwarrior V does already (and is far better with it enabled), Control uses DLSS extremely well, the Call of Duty games and Fortnite use it, Metro Exodus uses it, Monster Hunter World, Tomb Raider, and so on. DLSS has good games for it already and more on the way, including the biggest game coming out if it ever stops getting delayed.

Star Citizen!
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Oct 28, 2020, 17:57
 
Dev wrote on Oct 28, 2020, 16:51:
TheJedi wrote on Oct 28, 2020, 15:53:
And as far as diss tech there has to be quality games that take serious advantage and enough of those games out for anyone to worry about.
dlss But anyway, sounds like AMD will have a different DLSS tech? So games will have to have updates to support both? Hopefully that will be easy to do.
And I'm seeing predictions that AMD DLSS will be the main one going forward because it's the same tech on consoles.

AMD has FidelityFX CAS, but they didn't highlight it at all in today's announcement, and you can bet that they would have if it had any of the hype to it that DLSS does. FidelityFX doesn't actually require an AMD card, though, so if it does turn into something worthwhile it'll be good for everyone.

DLSS is already making a pretty good difference in games that have it. Avengers shipped with FidelityFX and just added DLSS, and DLSS adds 20-25% performance to the game while FidelityFX does pretty much nothing. Cyberpunk 2077 will support DLSS, Mechwarrior V does already (and is far better with it enabled), Control uses DLSS extremely well, the Call of Duty games and Fortnite use it, Metro Exodus uses it, Monster Hunter World, Tomb Raider, and so on. DLSS has good games for it already and more on the way, including the biggest game coming out if it ever stops getting delayed.
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Oct 28, 2020, 17:28
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Oct 28, 2020, 17:28
 
Dev wrote on Oct 28, 2020, 16:51:
TheJedi wrote on Oct 28, 2020, 15:53:
And as far as diss tech there has to be quality games that take serious advantage and enough of those games out for anyone to worry about.
dlss But anyway, sounds like AMD will have a different DLSS tech? So games will have to have updates to support both? Hopefully that will be easy to do.
And I'm seeing predictions that AMD DLSS will be the main one going forward because it's the same tech on consoles.

Consider AMD's carries into the console world, so I think once this all kicks in that will be a common feature to be used there and that has to mean it moves over to the PC. Think freesync, if you are buying a monitor today it pretty much will be at least freesync and for me that was plenty good enough.
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Oct 28, 2020, 17:27
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Cool, I'm looking forward to the reviews for these cards, maybe I'll build an AMD CPU/GPU system in early 2021, assuming the USA isn't in full on civil war/roving bands of marauders, etc.
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Oct 28, 2020, 17:26
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HoSpanky wrote on Oct 28, 2020, 16:45:
While I'm interested in their raytracing benchmarks as well, I think the biggest win/loss here will be due to whoever can actually get their fuckin cards into people's hands. Nvidia's cards might as well not exist, we'll see if AMD is doing the same bullshit. Doesn't matter how awesome the specs are if no one can even buy one.

For the near term... this.
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