Cutter wrote on Oct 20, 2020, 19:51:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 20, 2020, 19:02:
Cutter wrote on Oct 20, 2020, 13:23:We had an opportunity to do just that with the TPP, until we withdrew from it. Creating an alliance and delivering actual consequences is the only way to get the Chinese government to stop its aberrant behavior. China needs our market, but we shouldn't operate alone. That's why allies are so important. This video has a nice summary of why China is in a bit of a pickle, based mostly on geography, and why it's hard to predict what the world will look like in 20 years.
Just fucking globally boycott and isolate China already until they change. How many times must it be said?
Are you fucking kidding me?!?! The TPP would have turned us into third world countries overnight! For all the shit, and whatever reasons that Trump does things he was actually right on killing it. He has, remarkably, done some things right that are better for us economically in which the Dems would have fucked us in the ass over. Not saying the GOP wouldn't but Trump was at least clever enough to know what side his bread was buttered on with issues like the TPP. In my country we would have been fucked by the Libs and Cons - NDP was against it - but when Trump killed it that was it. So as much as I hate the guy I am grateful he was appointed in at least a few respects.
It wasn't perfect, but it did unite many Pacific Rim nations economically. That kind of unity was supposed to be leveraged to bring China back into line. With the US withdrawing, it just doesn't have the same kind of impact. You may not be aware, but most of the original countries continued the negotiations, removed the stuff that the US added, and formed the TPP anyway. Canada ratified in Dec 2018
. Have you turned into a 3rd world nation yet? Here's a more nuanced description
the Office of the Chief Economist at Global Affairs Canada found the final agreement would, if ratified, lead to net positive economic outcomes for all signatories, while an analysis using an alternative methodology by two Tufts University economists found the agreement would adversely affect the signatories. Many observers have argued the trade deal would have served a geopolitical purpose, namely to reduce the signatories' dependence on Chinese trade and bring the signatories closer to the United States
The way to "beat" China is to form strong alliances. The US can't do it alone. This would have gone far in that direction.
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