Op Ed

  • GamesIndustry.biz - Epic vs. Apple is losing PR steam - Opinion.
    "The US courts system is, unfortunately, no stranger to being used and abused for the purposes of grandstanding, and from the outset, this case has been as much about PR as about legal argument. As the dispute has been pared down to its core issues by court injunctions, however, public interest has drifted away and some of the legal arguments being made have started to seriously stretch the credulity of even the most mildly informed observer."
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Oct 17, 2020, 07:04
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Oct 17, 2020, 07:04
 
Epic's lawyers are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

It's not the 30% cut on the sale of the app that is in question.

It is the 30% cut in perpetuity for any digital sales made with the app that is in question. Why they never make that clear is beyond me.

This is a new twist and something without legal precedent. I don't think it is a good thing.

Imagine if Win10 or MacOS slipstreamed a clause into their shrinkwrap agreements over night that said any software that runs on this OS, owes MS or Apple 30% of any digital sales made via the software.

It just a middle man inflation of costs that will always get passed on to the consumer.
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Oct 16, 2020, 21:53
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Oct 16, 2020, 21:53
 
Prez wrote on Oct 16, 2020, 19:34:
How is Apple a monopoly but Playstation and Switch aren't? Will someone please explain?

Apple has about 70% mobile app market in the US. Google has most of the rest. Those are basically the alternatives if you want apps on your phone or tablet. Yes, on the Android side, you can sideload, and Amazon has a few apps in its store, but those come with big downsides: you have to seek them out whereas Plan and the App Store are built in, side-loaded apps might contain malware, there's a lack of diversity, etc.

Playstation and Switch aren't monopolies. They are entrants in the console gaming market, a robust and competitive market. Their exclusives aren't monopolies, there are lots of other games and lots of other consoles to choose from. Their exclusives provide differentiation. You can't get Halo on Playstation, but you can get lots of other shooters on PS.

Apple is the equivalent of Dodge owning 70% of the US car market.

When you talk about PS exclusives, that's the equivalent of Ford selling the F-150, or Dodge selling the Ram 1500. 3rd party exclusives are like GM selling a re-branded Maserati (rebranding foreign vehicles is common in the US). You'd never expect Dodge to sell an F-150, would you?

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Re: Op Ed
Oct 16, 2020, 19:34
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Oct 16, 2020, 19:34
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How is Apple a monopoly but Playstation and Switch aren't? Will someone please explain?
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Oct 16, 2020, 19:28
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NotThat wrote on Oct 16, 2020, 15:21:
Imagine signing a contract and being fine with it until your profits start to drop and then try to convince people like you that it was illegal. They didn't have to agree to anything. They released the change in the in-game store with the full intention of breaking it thinking they would win in court. Everything Epic tried was illegal and a breach of contract. They're honestly lucky they got a Judge with a bit logic and allowed them to remain on the store in any capacity.

If what they did was illegal then literally every console maker is also guilty and no one is telling them to stop doing what they do.

I don't think that Epic thinks they have a chance. In their view I think, they think it's worth a few mil to raise the profile of this issue in order to shame the government into action as well as give ammunition to how even giant companies like Epic are harmed by Apple's monopoly position in the mobile application market.

So I don't think the judge is off-base at all. It's just a shame she's put in this position in the first place.
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Oct 16, 2020, 17:53
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JeffD wrote on Oct 16, 2020, 14:06:
Cutter wrote on Oct 16, 2020, 13:26:
Gee, ya think? Who really gives a shit about either of those greedy assholes. Ain't nothin' goin' on except the rent.

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The only thing this article documents is once again, glitz and glamour are the news and if hype wanes, it should be forgotton. Well F*^% you gamesindustry.biz, court systems are slow. They arn't like your mom where your in wam-bam-thank-you-mam.

Yeah! Take that gamesindustry.biz!
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Oct 16, 2020, 15:21
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Oct 16, 2020, 15:21
 
Imagine signing a contract and being fine with it until your profits start to drop and then try to convince people like you that it was illegal. They didn't have to agree to anything. They released the change in the in-game store with the full intention of breaking it thinking they would win in court. Everything Epic tried was illegal and a breach of contract. They're honestly lucky they got a Judge with a bit logic and allowed them to remain on the store in any capacity.

If what they did was illegal then literally every console maker is also guilty and no one is telling them to stop doing what they do.

JeffD wrote on Oct 16, 2020, 14:06:
Cutter wrote on Oct 16, 2020, 13:26:
Gee, ya think? Who really gives a shit about either of those greedy assholes. Ain't nothin' goin' on except the rent.

Spoken like a true sheep!

Epic did a lot of dressup to expose a fundamental and illegal flaw in apples store front because sheep like you need glitz and glamour to pay attention to a critical issue. Once the hype is down, you don't care. And that is why trump is our president. He based his presidency off him not being a politician but a movie star and god damn America ate it up without even stopping to think if he would still make a GOOD president.

Sit down and read a god damn book. Monopoly isn't just a gameboard, its illegal, and it is exactly what apple has been doing since day one, but people are stupid and don't realize they keep getting fleeced by the same plans year in and year out.

The only thing this article documents is once again, glitz and glamour are the news and if hype wanes, it should be forgotton. Well F*^% you gamesindustry.biz, court systems are slow. They arn't like your mom where your in wam-bam-thank-you-mam.
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Oct 16, 2020, 14:06
 
Cutter wrote on Oct 16, 2020, 13:26:
Gee, ya think? Who really gives a shit about either of those greedy assholes. Ain't nothin' goin' on except the rent.

Spoken like a true sheep!

Epic did a lot of dressup to expose a fundamental and illegal flaw in apples store front because sheep like you need glitz and glamour to pay attention to a critical issue. Once the hype is down, you don't care. And that is why trump is our president. He based his presidency off him not being a politician but a movie star and god damn America ate it up without even stopping to think if he would still make a GOOD president.

Sit down and read a god damn book. Monopoly isn't just a gameboard, its illegal, and it is exactly what apple has been doing since day one, but people are stupid and don't realize they keep getting fleeced by the same plans year in and year out.

The only thing this article documents is once again, glitz and glamour are the news and if hype wanes, it should be forgotton. Well F*^% you gamesindustry.biz, court systems are slow. They arn't like your mom where your in wam-bam-thank-you-mam.
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Oct 16, 2020, 13:26
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Oct 16, 2020, 13:26
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Gee, ya think? Who really gives a shit about either of those greedy assholes. Ain't nothin' goin' on except the rent.
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