Star Citizen Birthday: Still No Squadron 42 Release Date

Star Citizen was first announced eight years ago today as a new Wing Commander-style space game, with developer Cloud Imperium saying it would likely be two years before its full release. A new Star Citizen Birthday AMA with Chris Roberts, Todd Papy, and Tony Zurovec celebrates the occasion with answers to questions about the project. This post features Chris Roberts addressing release plans for Squadron 42, the single-player experience that's one of the two games this has become. Falling back on the "when it's done" standby, he says there's still a ways to go before they hit beta, so if you've been holding your breath, it's probably time to exhale:
You're not really asking about what is being worked on Squadron 42, you really just want to know when it will be done. The best answer for your question is Squadron 42 will be done when it is done, and will not be released just to make a date but instead once all the tech and content is finished, polished and it plays great. I am not willing to compromise making a game I believe in with all my heart and soul, and even though everyone (including me) wants Squadron 42 sooner than later, it would be doing a huge disservice to everyone working really hard on the project and all of you that are looking forward to it to deliver something that isn't great.

The new roadmap will show how we are doing towards that goal and as we get closer to the end it will be more accurate but it will never be a perfect crystal ball of the future as there is always a certain amount of unpredictability in game development, especially when the game is hugely ambitious and has a very high quality bar; Red Dead Redemption 2, Last of US 2 and now Cyberpunk have all taken a lot longer than originally communicated and those projects didn't even announce a release date until very deep into their production, when most of their tech had been resolved.

We still have a ways to go before we are in Beta, but everyone on Squadron 42 is working very hard to deliver something great.
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El Pit wrote on Oct 11, 2020, 09:15:
So... this is actually a STILLBIRTHday? Uneasy

Yeah, how do you celebrate the birth of something that is yet to be born?
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Re: Star Citizen Birthday: Still No Squadron 42 Release Date Oct 11, 2020, 09:15
Oct 11, 2020, 09:15
 El Pit
 
So... this is actually a STILLBIRTHday? Uneasy
"There is no right life in the wrong one." (Theodor W. Adorno, philosopher)
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi)
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crazedgironemo wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 21:33:
RogueSix wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 20:46:
now no finished part of the game until at least 2021

2021? Wow you really are optimistic, aren't you? I'ld have said at least 2030....

But the tech they're coming up with is amazing. Remember how they worked on that camera algorithm that will translate your facial expressions into your SC avatar in real life? That was really amazing, a game changer and I was so excited that.... Bwahahahaha I just couldn't keep a straight face anymore.....

Yeah, chasing dumb stuff like that is why this game will never be finished.

That's actually a really good feature for a game that's as highly social as SC. Squadron 42, not so much. Being able to see your friend's expressions as you talk to him in the game instead of a stoic expressionless mannequin is something all online games need to improve.
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Oct 11, 2020, 09:10
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I hope no one payed thousands to pre-order DNF.
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Oct 11, 2020, 06:55
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And the never-ending joke continues...
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I’m sure Duke Nukem cant wait for this to surpass his forever outing. Waiting with bated breath in the tub with two chicks and a rubber ducky for this to flame past his dev cycle time.
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Oct 11, 2020, 00:14
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[VG]Reagle wrote on Oct 11, 2020, 00:07:
Barrrrrffffff ARRRGGHGHGHGGHGH BAAARRRRFFFFFFF

This comment is more informative than a Chris Roberts post.
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Oct 11, 2020, 00:07
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Barrrrrffffff ARRRGGHGHGHGGHGH BAAARRRRFFFFFFF
DON'T LIKE MY COMMENTS?!? THEN STOP RELEASING GARBAGE.
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Oct 10, 2020, 22:44
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Tom wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 22:34:
I don't think it would be wise to envy him. That's not exactly a safe way to make a living in the long term.
Tell that to Bernie Madoff.
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -- Carl Sagan
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Oct 10, 2020, 22:34
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Overon wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 20:40:
I sure envy Chris Roberts. He has used human psychology even if unintentionally, to enrich himself by selling his investors on his dream, with no legal duty to those investors whatsoever. What would stop him from just shutting the whole development down? Yeah it would be a deathblow to his career and his reputation, but couldn't he just live off the money he currently has to for the rest of his life? And why would he stop anyway if his investors continue to pay him? All his investors keep enabling him to do this for as long as the money flows development can continue and the scope of the game can grow.
I don't think it would be wise to envy him. That's not exactly a safe way to make a living in the long term.
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Oct 10, 2020, 21:47
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BIGtrouble77 wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 19:51:
roguebanshee wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 17:58:
BIGtrouble77 wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 15:46:
I play SC with a friend sometimes... it's so funny the different vibe I get when I'm on his SC Discord and what I read here. Most of them have put north of $1k into the game on ships. I don't know how much my friend has put in, but I would say it's likely around $3k.
It probably has something to do with the psychology described here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment
That's absolutely it. I knew there had to be a logical fallacy for this.

Vegas has a term for it "doubling down".
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Oct 10, 2020, 21:43
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BIGtrouble77 wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 15:46:
I play SC with a friend sometimes... it's so funny the different vibe I get when I'm on his SC Discord and what I read here. Most of them have put north of $1k into the game on ships. I don't know how much my friend has put in, but I would say it's likely around $3k.

It's an example how Pride can warp minds and why it is a deadly sin. Guys are nuts, but it seems they got the money to spend. Still nuts imo.
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Oct 10, 2020, 21:33
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RogueSix wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 20:46:
now no finished part of the game until at least 2021

2021? Wow you really are optimistic, aren't you? I'ld have said at least 2030....

But the tech they're coming up with is amazing. Remember how they worked on that camera algorithm that will translate your facial expressions into your SC avatar in real life? That was really amazing, a game changer and I was so excited that.... Bwahahahaha I just couldn't keep a straight face anymore.....

Yeah, chasing dumb stuff like that is why this game will never be finished.

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Oct 10, 2020, 21:06
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Mr. Tact wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 20:52:
RogueSix wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 16:34:
Yeah, he's been absent from videos for quite a while but he has posted a rather lengthy retort on why he believes that he and his team have met "The Pledge".
Not sure if I mentioned this before or not, but CR should think about running for US President -- he clearly has chops as good as the current one.
We also communicate way more than any other developer or publisher than I am aware of in terms of work and progress on Star Citizen, which is the game “The Pledge” was referring to; We have multiple video shows per week, lore updates, developers regularly engage in the forums, have a weekly newsletter and well as regular monthly reports.
bEsT pReSiDeNt evEr
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RogueSix wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 16:34:
Yeah, he's been absent from videos for quite a while but he has posted a rather lengthy retort on why he believes that he and his team have met "The Pledge".
Not sure if I mentioned this before or not, but CR should think about running for US President -- he clearly has chops as good as the current one.
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -- Carl Sagan
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yonder wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 19:50:
Absolutely NO game on that list was anywhere near the "past original promise date" that SC has reached.

Cyberpunk is a popular example for very long development times from uninformed people like Roberts (or maybe Roberts is not uninformed but hoping for an uninformed audience). The reality is that CD Projekt originally planned to work on Cyberpunk and The Witcher 3 with two teams in parallel. That plan did not work out. The Witcher 3 demanded a lot more attention than anticipated because the game got really big. CD Projekt put Cyberpunk development on hold and kept everyone on The Witcher 3 team until the expansions were wrapped up.
The development of Cyberpunk was effectively restarted from scratch in 2016. The game is coming out next month. That's a pretty standard dev cycle of roundabout four years.

I don't know much of RDR2 and Last of Us 2 development since those are mainly console games but a quick Wiki search yields this for RDR2...

Originally due for release in the second half of 2017, the game was delayed twice: first to Q1/Q2 2018,[44] and later to October 26, 2018

That's a one year delay. No big deal.

And The Last of Us 2 page yields this...

Naughty Dog began development in 2014, soon after the release of The Last of Us Remastered.[18] By August 2017, with the release of Uncharted: The Lost Legacy, the entire 350-person team at Naughty Dog had shifted to develop Part II

... which means that there was no real full development until 2017. They announced a February 2020 release date in September 2019, then had to delay it to June. No big deal either.

Contrary to Star Citizen all of these devs have had other projects and some of them surely had a publisher making demands detracting from their daily work. None of them had the luxury of working 100% laser-focused on one project like CIG (Squadron 42 and SC have long been melded into a single entity, depending on each other). I'm not sure what Roberts is talking about with these comparisons. Just because it has been a long time between one game and its sequel does not mean that a dev team has been in full production all the time. It is disingenuous to pretend as such especially if you are working in the industry and should know better.

The Star Citizen/Squadron 42 delay from its original 2014 target to 2016 (for sure!) and now no finished part of the game until at least 2021 is unprecedented considering it has one of the most generous budgets in gaming history at $300 million and counting. There might have been games with longer delays that had problems like running out of funding or a publisher cancelling the contract or whatever but a full scale development effort with hundreds of devs working on the game uninterrupted on a daily basis while being four to six years past their original targets is definitely a once in a lifetime accomplishment by Mr. Roberts.
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I sure envy Chris Roberts. He has used human psychology even if unintentionally, to enrich himself by selling his investors on his dream, with no legal duty to those investors whatsoever. What would stop him from just shutting the whole development down? Yeah it would be a deathblow to his career and his reputation, but couldn't he just live off the money he currently has to for the rest of his life? And why would he stop anyway if his investors continue to pay him? All his investors keep enabling him to do this for as long as the money flows development can continue and the scope of the game can grow.

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Oct 10, 2020, 20:25
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Do the undead have birthdays?
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roguebanshee wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 17:58:
BIGtrouble77 wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 15:46:
I play SC with a friend sometimes... it's so funny the different vibe I get when I'm on his SC Discord and what I read here. Most of them have put north of $1k into the game on ships. I don't know how much my friend has put in, but I would say it's likely around $3k.
It probably has something to do with the psychology described here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment
That's absolutely it. I knew there had to be a logical fallacy for this.
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Cutter wrote on Oct 10, 2020, 17:57:
ed Dead Redemption 2, Last of US 2 and now Cyberpunk have all taken a lot longer than originally communicated

Uh, no they have not. And 6 years past target with no end in sight isn't just "unpredictability", that's either a scam or piss poor management. And those games got made for a 1/3rd, or even less, and that's the entire production and a massive marketing budget to boot. The guy should be selling manure instead because he sure is full of it.

Absolutely NO game on that list was anywhere near the "past original promise date" that SC has reached.

You might wanna work on your phrasing OP
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