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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 29, 2020, 06:35
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 29, 2020, 06:35
Sep 29, 2020, 06:35
 
HorrorScope wrote on Sep 25, 2020, 10:31:
"Just don't really see the need for any of the 30xx cards for most of us. A 3080 is just major overkill for almost any sort of gaming right now"

Words like that are people that still need to understand we are a free people who all think different.

Even if it were that (it isn't), headroom is a thing to and if offered in time devs will eat it up someway, that's what they do.

Yep, and some poeple are on on 9 and 10 series cards and overdue for an upgrade and have the cash to support this or the 3070 isn't good enough for whatever they need it to do. Some people like my dad are into monsters like DCS or FS2020 and cannot get enough frames 1440 or in VR on even 20 series cards. I'm not getting one, can probably afford to wait a refresh or two unless something really good comes out that demands it but why would I question anyone else. We are all in different situations.
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 25, 2020, 10:31
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 25, 2020, 10:31
Sep 25, 2020, 10:31
 
"Just don't really see the need for any of the 30xx cards for most of us. A 3080 is just major overkill for almost any sort of gaming right now"

Words like that are people that still need to understand we are a free people who all think different.

Even if it were that (it isn't), headroom is a thing to and if offered in time devs will eat it up someway, that's what they do.
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 25, 2020, 05:41
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 25, 2020, 05:41
Sep 25, 2020, 05:41
 
RogueSix wrote on Sep 24, 2020, 16:21:
The RTX 3080 and RTX 3070 are priced very competitively.

Turing prices "competitive pricing"...

Oh brother... Rolleyes
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 25, 2020, 03:56
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 25, 2020, 03:56
Sep 25, 2020, 03:56
 
RogueSix wrote on Sep 24, 2020, 16:21:
aka_STEVE wrote on Sep 24, 2020, 14:41:
This entire release schedule by Nvidia is so stupid.... They have almost zero cards for consumers to buy , but they pushed so hard to launch the products out the door , like they are scared of AMD's cards coming out. !?
THey are acting like they needed to be first out the door to keep customers loyal , but are just pissing everyone off and making them wait for AMD anyways because of no availability of the 30xx series...

Nvidia is at the top , why not launch when you actually have inventory to please the masses ?

nVidia did not necessarily want to "piss everyone off" but they definitely took a major piss in AMD's cornflakes. The RTX 3080 and RTX 3070 are priced very competitively. AMD is going to have a hard time with their presumably 16GB parts to match or stay below nVidia's pricing.
The RTX 3090 should guarantee that nVidia remain in the top spot on review sites regardless of the card's availability. The performance crown shall continue to be worn by the old and the new king.

Launching before AMD was a pretty clever business move. nVidia maintain the throne and they can sit back, relax and counter AMD's 16GB cards with a 20GB RTX 3080 (Super or Ti) and/or a 16GB RTX 3070(Ti) in case AMD gets close to the RTX 3080/3070 in performance. Until then it's quite likely that AMD are going to have a hard time to properly attack the 10GB RTX 3080 at the $699 price target or the $499 RTX 3070.
All leaks point towards AMD sticking with a classic 256-bit bus so they are stuck with 8GB and 16GB cards. Selling the 16GB RTX 3080 competitor at or below $699 will probably mean fairly poor, hurtful margins for AMD. OTOH, the 8GB BigNavi part is going to have 2GB less VRAM than the RTX 3080 and it's also got slower VRAM on board because GDDR6X is nVidia exclusive for now. AMD is going to have to sell that potential 8GB card quite FAR below the $699 price.

The current lack of Ampere availability may be a short time downer for some people but all will be forgotten in a few months when the cards are going to be available in the usual quantities. People need and want graphics cards for the "next gen" console ports. They will buy them when the shinies are available. There is a little game called WoW that had the shittiest launch in all of MMO history with hour long queues for months on popular PvP realms. Yet it became the most successful MMO of all time. A crappy launch means nothing. We are also only one week into Ampere right now. Declaring it a complete failure already is outright silly but a sign of our crazy times where consumerism is king and where everything needs to be available yesterday for as cheap as possible.

A lot of speculation in this post. I guess we will see. It all comes down to what AMD has in store this time round. What is more worrying is the tone of the post. I could never figure out why people are loyal to a fault to corporations. Are you on their payroll? Because if you're not then you should be rooting for AMD to finally put the squeeze on Nvidia's ballsack with a decent product, cos that is what helps us consumers the most, no matter which card you end up getting.

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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 25, 2020, 01:45
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 25, 2020, 01:45
Sep 25, 2020, 01:45
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Sep 24, 2020, 12:44:
Watching the Gamer's Nexus review right now and they're...not being kind.

They take the "misleading marketing myth busting" angle very seriously, for good reason, and consequently it was absolutely savage.

I loved every second.
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 24, 2020, 22:55
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 24, 2020, 22:55
Sep 24, 2020, 22:55
 
*yawn*
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 24, 2020, 22:50
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 24, 2020, 22:50
Sep 24, 2020, 22:50
 
8K gaming. Hahaha.
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 24, 2020, 21:05
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 24, 2020, 21:05
Sep 24, 2020, 21:05
 
“We did try out 8K gaming and it was impressive seeing 60 fps in Doom Eternal. It was also possible to average 60 fps in Control with the help of DLSS, rendering at 1440p, but then this is not true 8K gaming. Without DLSS, Control ran at 5 fps, so it’s a bit stretch claiming 8K gaming given for the most part you will require DLSS support for it to happen. Doom Eternal did work well, it looks great, and we saw VRAM usage hit 16GB -- actual usage, not just allocation.”

above snipped from the tech spot review
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 24, 2020, 19:41
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 24, 2020, 19:41
Sep 24, 2020, 19:41
 
Ozmodan wrote on Sep 24, 2020, 19:29:
Just don't really see the need for any of the 30xx cards for most of us. A 3080 is just major overkill for almost any sort of gaming right now and the decent 4k monitors are still way overpriced. I have two 32" 2k 144mhz monitors and love my setup and it runs everything on ultra with a 2070. If AMD prices their 6900 at $499 as leaks have suggested, lookout Nvidia. As to the 3090 waste of money for any gamer.

I skipped a generation and would probably get something like a 3070 to upgrade my 1070. The upgrade from 1070 to =2070 wasn't enough to justify imo.
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 24, 2020, 19:29
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 24, 2020, 19:29
Sep 24, 2020, 19:29
 
Just don't really see the need for any of the 30xx cards for most of us. A 3080 is just major overkill for almost any sort of gaming right now and the decent 4k monitors are still way overpriced. I have two 32" 2k 144mhz monitors and love my setup and it runs everything on ultra with a 2070. If AMD prices their 6900 at $499 as leaks have suggested, lookout Nvidia. As to the 3090 waste of money for any gamer.
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 24, 2020, 19:05
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 24, 2020, 19:05
Sep 24, 2020, 19:05
 
Beamer wrote on Sep 24, 2020, 13:53:
Again, though, this is the new TITAN. No one bought that, either, because the bump wasn't huge, and because it wasn't aimed at your general enthusiast.
I'd be shocked if more than one person here owned a TITAN, but if you walk into any dev studio, and plenty of graphics design firms, and you'd find quite a lot of them.

Not debating the other workloads for the intent of the card... although keeping the consumer series naming convention for something not exactly intended for consumers is kind of dumb ("3090" instead of "TITAN 2" or something).

I still think the real issue that there isn't enough modern CPU to push the 3090 any further for 4K gaming, given 3080 CPU scaling tests

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Get your games from GOG DAMMIT!
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 24, 2020, 17:42
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 24, 2020, 17:42
Sep 24, 2020, 17:42
 
RedEye9 wrote on Sep 24, 2020, 15:56:
phinn wrote on Sep 24, 2020, 15:39:
Why do people keep talking about the 10% increase in gaming performance as a reason against this GPU? This is NOT primarily for gaming. Period. The 24GB VRAM is clearly aimed at productivity and considering it's 45% faster for 20% higher cost than the 2080Ti it's very good for that.

The biggest concern isn't the value, it's the atrocious power consumption from this big of a GPU on this Samsung 8nm process. Power consumption shown below is absolutely insane:

https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/2105/bench/Power.png
That's showing total system power consumption. Digital Jesus has a graph that shows a normally clocked 3090 pulls less than 36O watts by itself when it’s running full tilt boogie. https://youtu.be/Xgs-VbqsuKo?t=690

Because GPU's use power directly from the wall socket? That would be the only situation where that number is relevant.

Us mere mortals have PSU's with less than 100% efficiency on PCI-E power lines.
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 24, 2020, 16:21
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 24, 2020, 16:21
Sep 24, 2020, 16:21
 
the most entertaining part of this debacle is how Jensen stood there in his ridiculous kitchen wearing his ridiculous jacket and announcing to ALL gamers this was the BFGPU when it was clearly designed for development workflow as seen here..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lTTb-d12qo&ab_channel=NVIDIAStudio

What fucking clown..

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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 24, 2020, 16:21
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 24, 2020, 16:21
Sep 24, 2020, 16:21
 
aka_STEVE wrote on Sep 24, 2020, 14:41:
This entire release schedule by Nvidia is so stupid.... They have almost zero cards for consumers to buy , but they pushed so hard to launch the products out the door , like they are scared of AMD's cards coming out. !?
THey are acting like they needed to be first out the door to keep customers loyal , but are just pissing everyone off and making them wait for AMD anyways because of no availability of the 30xx series...

Nvidia is at the top , why not launch when you actually have inventory to please the masses ?

nVidia did not necessarily want to "piss everyone off" but they definitely took a major piss in AMD's cornflakes. The RTX 3080 and RTX 3070 are priced very competitively. AMD is going to have a hard time with their presumably 16GB parts to match or stay below nVidia's pricing.
The RTX 3090 should guarantee that nVidia remain in the top spot on review sites regardless of the card's availability. The performance crown shall continue to be worn by the old and the new king.

Launching before AMD was a pretty clever business move. nVidia maintain the throne and they can sit back, relax and counter AMD's 16GB cards with a 20GB RTX 3080 (Super or Ti) and/or a 16GB RTX 3070(Ti) in case AMD gets close to the RTX 3080/3070 in performance. Until then it's quite likely that AMD are going to have a hard time to properly attack the 10GB RTX 3080 at the $699 price target or the $499 RTX 3070.
All leaks point towards AMD sticking with a classic 256-bit bus so they are stuck with 8GB and 16GB cards. Selling the 16GB RTX 3080 competitor at or below $699 will probably mean fairly poor, hurtful margins for AMD. OTOH, the 8GB BigNavi part is going to have 2GB less VRAM than the RTX 3080 and it's also got slower VRAM on board because GDDR6X is nVidia exclusive for now. AMD is going to have to sell that potential 8GB card quite FAR below the $699 price.

The current lack of Ampere availability may be a short time downer for some people but all will be forgotten in a few months when the cards are going to be available in the usual quantities. People need and want graphics cards for the "next gen" console ports. They will buy them when the shinies are available. There is a little game called WoW that had the shittiest launch in all of MMO history with hour long queues for months on popular PvP realms. Yet it became the most successful MMO of all time. A crappy launch means nothing. We are also only one week into Ampere right now. Declaring it a complete failure already is outright silly but a sign of our crazy times where consumerism is king and where everything needs to be available yesterday for as cheap as possible.
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 24, 2020, 16:20
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 24, 2020, 16:20
Sep 24, 2020, 16:20
 
According to what I've been reading lately, the 3080's that have been sold so far are causing some people quite a bit of trouble...even on the nVidia forums. nV has lots of stuff to iron out. As already stated, 10% increase for 200% of the money is really no deal at all. Smart money will wait before jumping on these GPUs--until more of the production units roll out. Review units from nV are traditionally cherry picked and configured.
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 24, 2020, 16:00
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 24, 2020, 16:00
Sep 24, 2020, 16:00
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RogueSix wrote on Sep 24, 2020, 15:24:
Beamer wrote on Sep 24, 2020, 13:53:
Again, though, this is the new TITAN. No one bought that, either, because the bump wasn't huge, and because it wasn't aimed at your general enthusiast.
I'd be shocked if more than one person here owned a TITAN, but if you walk into any dev studio, and plenty of graphics design firms, and you'd find quite a lot of them.

Exactly. In nVidia's own words (the constant repetition of "creators" is trying to tell us something, I think):

Similar to TITAN RTX, GeForce RTX 3090 will appeal to the most demanding users. It’s great for creators making movies and rendering cinematics. It’s sure to appeal to researchers building systems for data science and AI. And, of course, it’s ideal for extreme gamers who want to experience the new world of 8K gaming.

The GeForce RTX 3090 enables creators who push their creations to the limits of graphics hardware with professional creation applications and with large models, detailed scenes, and high-resolution textures.

Rendering in these types of applications not only requires a more powerful GPU. It requires more GPU memory. Creators using the GeForce RTX 3090 will find that they can work with datasets that are more than twice as large as those that will fit into the memory of the GeForce RTX 3080.

Cant recall where I read it, but they did some side by side testing on the 3080 and the 3090 on video rendering, and the 3090 blew the 3080 away in the reduced time it took to render. by a few hours from what I saw.

I was someone who was thinking very hard about getting a 3090. But after Beamers comments the other day, I started to look up the card. and after seeing that this card is more of a developers card. I opted to wait it out for a 3080 Ti.

Thanks Beamer for saving me some money
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 24, 2020, 15:56
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 24, 2020, 15:56
Sep 24, 2020, 15:56
 
phinn wrote on Sep 24, 2020, 15:39:
Why do people keep talking about the 10% increase in gaming performance as a reason against this GPU? This is NOT primarily for gaming. Period. The 24GB VRAM is clearly aimed at productivity and considering it's 45% faster for 20% higher cost than the 2080Ti it's very good for that.

The biggest concern isn't the value, it's the atrocious power consumption from this big of a GPU on this Samsung 8nm process. Power consumption shown below is absolutely insane:

https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/2105/bench/Power.png
That's showing total system power consumption. Digital Jesus has a graph that shows a normally clocked 3090 pulls less than 36O watts by itself when it’s running full tilt boogie. https://youtu.be/Xgs-VbqsuKo?t=690
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 24, 2020, 15:39
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 24, 2020, 15:39
Sep 24, 2020, 15:39
 
Why do people keep talking about the 10% increase in gaming performance as a reason against this GPU? This is NOT primarily for gaming. Period. The 24GB VRAM is clearly aimed at productivity and considering it's 45% faster for 20% higher cost than the 2080Ti it's very good for that.

The biggest concern isn't the value, it's the atrocious power consumption from this big of a GPU on this Samsung 8nm process. Power consumption shown below is absolutely insane:

https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/2105/bench/Power.png
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 24, 2020, 15:24
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 24, 2020, 15:24
Sep 24, 2020, 15:24
 
Beamer wrote on Sep 24, 2020, 13:53:
Again, though, this is the new TITAN. No one bought that, either, because the bump wasn't huge, and because it wasn't aimed at your general enthusiast.
I'd be shocked if more than one person here owned a TITAN, but if you walk into any dev studio, and plenty of graphics design firms, and you'd find quite a lot of them.

Exactly. In nVidia's own words (the constant repetition of "creators" is trying to tell us something, I think):

Similar to TITAN RTX, GeForce RTX 3090 will appeal to the most demanding users. It’s great for creators making movies and rendering cinematics. It’s sure to appeal to researchers building systems for data science and AI. And, of course, it’s ideal for extreme gamers who want to experience the new world of 8K gaming.

The GeForce RTX 3090 enables creators who push their creations to the limits of graphics hardware with professional creation applications and with large models, detailed scenes, and high-resolution textures.

Rendering in these types of applications not only requires a more powerful GPU. It requires more GPU memory. Creators using the GeForce RTX 3090 will find that they can work with datasets that are more than twice as large as those that will fit into the memory of the GeForce RTX 3080.
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews
Sep 24, 2020, 14:55
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Re: NVIDIA RTX 3090 Reviews Sep 24, 2020, 14:55
Sep 24, 2020, 14:55
 
aka_STEVE wrote on Sep 24, 2020, 14:41:
This entire release schedule by Nvidia is so stupid.... They have almost zero cards for consumers to buy , but they pushed so hard to launch the products out the door , like they are scared of AMD's cards coming out. !?
THey are acting like they needed to be first out the door to keep customers loyal , but are just pissing everyone off and making them wait for AMD anyways because of no availability of the 30xx series...

Nvidia is at the top , why not launch when you actually have inventory to please the masses ?

Maybe there are issues that only crop up 3-5 weeks later.... I mean, wouldn't be the first time
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