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Re: Hardware Reviews
Sep 23, 2020, 11:31
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Sep 23, 2020, 11:31
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Cutter wrote on Sep 22, 2020, 17:14:
Thanks everyone. Just wanted to ensure that the NVME wouldn't be slowed down because of the legacy SATA drives. The boards I'm looking at all have dedicated NVME slots anyway.

If you're looking at a new mobo then you'll be fine. I had an older one that had a built-in M.2 slot on the mainboard, but it was SATA only, didn't actually use Pci-e lanes. That sucked. It was a z97 I think for an old 4790k. Had to buy a pci-e m.2 expansion card which actually used the pcie lanes for the ssd.
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Re: Hardware Reviews
Sep 22, 2020, 20:32
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Sep 22, 2020, 20:32
 
Ozmodan wrote on Sep 22, 2020, 20:22:
I had my OS on a noname SATA SSD and bought a new Samsung NVMe drive to replace it. I don't notice any difference. System boots up the same and none of my games on the SSD seem to notice the difference either.
The big bang for the buck was moving from hdd to ssd.
The rest of the system still has to do stuff with the data it gets from the storage device.
Fed too slow (hdd) and the system feels sluggish.
Feed it as fast (ssd) as it can use it and the system feels great..
Feed it faster than the system needs (nvme) and you won't feel the increased speed of NVMe PCIe.
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Re: Hardware Reviews
Sep 22, 2020, 20:22
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Sep 22, 2020, 20:22
 
I had my OS on a noname SATA SSD and bought a new Samsung NVMe drive to replace it. I don't notice any difference. System boots up the same and none of my games on the SSD seem to notice the difference either.
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Re: Hardware Reviews
Sep 22, 2020, 20:12
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Sep 22, 2020, 20:12
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Cutter wrote on Sep 22, 2020, 17:14:
Thanks everyone. Just wanted to ensure that the NVME wouldn't be slowed down because of the legacy SATA drives. The boards I'm looking at all have dedicated NVME slots anyway.
Also keep in mind that this new SSD from samsung really shines in PCIe v4, which is only in AMD so far.

PCIe lane sharing btw, is covered under a mobo's manual. It can differ for each mobo. The mobo manufacture can make weird decisions. Typically however, there's at least one nvme slot that can run unhindered full speed.
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Re: Hardware Reviews
Sep 22, 2020, 17:14
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Sep 22, 2020, 17:14
 
Thanks everyone. Just wanted to ensure that the NVME wouldn't be slowed down because of the legacy SATA drives. The boards I'm looking at all have dedicated NVME slots anyway.
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Re: Hardware Reviews
Sep 22, 2020, 16:42
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Sep 22, 2020, 16:42
 
I'll get a nvme once we see what consoles do, what we see what NV/AMD/MS do with the new features and then once we see real world gains. Then I will HAPPILY buy one or two or....
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Sep 22, 2020, 16:15
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Sep 22, 2020, 16:15
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 22, 2020, 13:54:
NVME m2 cards are PCI-E cards (just that your mainboard might have a custom slot assigned for it), and run over that. SATA is own thing, with own controller and driver requirements. Completely different system wise.

Actually, I believe, SATA ports (On the motherboard) take up / share like 2 lanes of the PCIe bus.
M.2 slots have 4 PCIe Lanes dedicated... so, yes you could run one as SATA if you wished with no performance impact on the second slot being in NVME mode. But obviously buying a SATA M.2 SSD is a waste of potential bandwidth.

SATA is just a protocol running over a PCIe Lane (Bus). It has a lower bandwidth limit and way more overhead than NVME (which is closer to native PCI Express as far as protocols are concerned)
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Re: Hardware Reviews
Sep 22, 2020, 14:53
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Yea most people don't realize these 3500+MB/s peak read/writes in NVME drives are at Queue Depth 32. They are not in random reads which is FAR more important to load times. Most Queue Depth 1-4/random read speeds of these drives don't pass 65MB/s (this new Samsung hits 80MB/s which is quite good). I've had a $120 SX8200 Pro 1GB for 2 years that has among the best QD1-4 in testing and much cheaper than the 970 Evo. Samsung is overrated now in general for SSDs.
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Re: Hardware Reviews
Sep 22, 2020, 13:54
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Sep 22, 2020, 13:54
 
Cutter wrote on Sep 22, 2020, 13:10:
Question about NVMEs. Do they have their own separate bus from SATA drives? I have two SATA SSDs and a SATA 7200. The first one I use for system and system apps. The second is for modern games that are more demanding and want better speed. The 7200 is for media storage and old games. I'll want to keep that setup in my new PC, but throw a NVME into the mix solely for games - and the most demanding ones at that like Cyberpunk, et al. I'm presuming the legacy drives are all chained on the system bus and the NVME has its own? Is that how it'll work?


NVME m2 cards are PCI-E cards (just that your mainboard might have a custom slot assigned for it), and run over that. SATA is own thing, with own controller and driver requirements. Completely different system wise.

Edit: Can't believe the letter Q as start of a post bug has not been fixed ~.~

Ps.: You can mix SATA SSD and NVMe m2 SSD and have zero performance penalty between them.
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Re: Hardware Reviews
Sep 22, 2020, 13:36
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Sep 22, 2020, 13:36
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wtf_man wrote on Sep 22, 2020, 12:52:
Just saying... if Samsung is your pick... the EVO line is way better bang for basic Loading apps / levels buck.
Don't let your eyes get squirreled away with a ton of useless benchmarks. Always look at the real-world load times for applications... because that is mostly what you would be doing.

I'll keep your post in mind before making a final decision.
Thanks for the info!
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Sep 22, 2020, 13:22
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Sep 22, 2020, 13:22
 
Cutter wrote on Sep 22, 2020, 13:10:
Question about NVMEs. Do they have their own separate bus from SATA drives? I have two SATA SSDs and a SATA 7200. The first one I use for system and system apps. The second is for modern games that are more demanding and want better speed. The 7200 is for media storage and old games. I'll want to keep that setup in my new PC, but throw a NVME into the mix solely for games - and the most demanding ones at that like Cyberpunk, et al. I'm presuming the legacy drives are all chained on the system bus and the NVME has its own? Is that how it'll work?

For the most part, yes. Most chipsets have SATA (Built in sata connectors on the motherboard) on a different PCIe lane than the nvme capable M.2 slots.
However, if you run M.2 slots in SATA mode, you are occupying that PCIe lane for SATA, not nvme. Whether a second M.2 slot has it's own lane or not, I don't know (I would guess that it would).

Moral of the story... don't run M.2 slots in SATA.
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Re: Hardware Reviews
Sep 22, 2020, 13:10
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Sep 22, 2020, 13:10
 
Question about NVMEs. Do they have their own separate bus from SATA drives? I have two SATA SSDs and a SATA 7200. The first one I use for system and system apps. The second is for modern games that are more demanding and want better speed. The 7200 is for media storage and old games. I'll want to keep that setup in my new PC, but throw a NVME into the mix solely for games - and the most demanding ones at that like Cyberpunk, et al. I'm presuming the legacy drives are all chained on the system bus and the NVME has its own? Is that how it'll work?
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Re: Hardware Reviews
Sep 22, 2020, 12:52
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I would think that any modern nvme SSD (even a budget one) would do more than a decent job for loading OS, applications, and game levels.

I'm running a 1TB SATA SSD with windows 7... and when booting from completely turned off... the startup desktop sound plays before my monitor can even come out of power-save mode. That's pretty dang fast, and it's was a budget sata drive by comparison. Game loading / Level loading times... you are only looking at maybe 2 seconds faster max, for top o the line vs budget (For initial application loading).

About the only time you need Top 'o the line SSDs like an 980 or an Optane, would be heavy database usage (which would be in a server anyway), or editing large / high resolution video clips, or some such non gaming activity.

Just saying... if Samsung is your pick... the EVO line is way better bang for basic Loading apps / levels buck.
Don't let your eyes get squirreled away with a ton of useless benchmarks. Always look at the real-world load times for applications... because that is mostly what you would be doing.

This comment was edited on Sep 22, 2020, 13:07.
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Re: Samsung 980pro
Sep 22, 2020, 12:26
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Sep 22, 2020, 12:26
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RedEye9 wrote on Sep 22, 2020, 12:11:
Cram wrote on Sep 22, 2020, 11:58:
Want that 980 Pro for a new build. Been running a 950pro for a few years, it's fine. This is a bit better.

Would you be buying this strictly for E-Peen purposes, because in normal day-to-day use you wouldn’t notice a difference.

Possibly, haven't really thought about it. I'm in new build hype mode right now; been stockpiling gold pieces for a few years to actually build a PC I make no compromises on. Always had to compromise over the past 20 years. For example, I chose the 6600k over the 6700k on my last build because I needed to save the extra $100 at the time; I regretted that decision then, and I still do today. More like another term thrown around, "future proofing". Who knows what next gen console ports will require or take advantage of on the PC, the term SSD is getting thrown around so much. Also, the 1gb 980Pro appears to have a similar MSRP (if not cheaper) to what my 512gb 950Pro cost me in 2016. I'll need a new drive anyway.
Edit: What I should have done last time was scale back the 950Pro to maybe an Evo, and bought the 6700k instead.
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Sep 22, 2020, 12:11
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Cram wrote on Sep 22, 2020, 11:58:
Want that 980 Pro for a new build. Been running a 950pro for a few years, it's fine. This is a bit better.

Would you be buying this strictly for E-Peen purposes, because in normal day-to-day use you wouldn’t notice a difference.
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Samsung 980pro
Sep 22, 2020, 11:58
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Sep 22, 2020, 11:58
 Cram
 
Want that 980 Pro for a new build. Been running a 950pro for a few years, it's fine. This is a bit better.

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