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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 18, 2020, 13:51
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 18, 2020, 13:51
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RedEye9 wrote on Sep 18, 2020, 09:54:
eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 18, 2020, 09:39:
I just hope my 600W PSU is enough... it's gonna be close but I only have a I5 8400, the entire system only needs 60-70W so I don't see how a GPU could overload that, but we'll see that too.
From Nvidia’s website.
The FE can use 320w.
750W required (their words, not mine)
A lower power rating may work depending on system configuration.

I bet you’re gonna be replacing that psu and you system is cpu limited.

I sure as hell hope it will be CPU limited, or what else would be the point of buying a GPU that will last 5+ years generationally?
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 18, 2020, 09:54
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 18, 2020, 09:54
Sep 18, 2020, 09:54
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 18, 2020, 09:39:
I just hope my 600W PSU is enough... it's gonna be close but I only have a I5 8400, the entire system only needs 60-70W so I don't see how a GPU could overload that, but we'll see that too.
From Nvidia’s website.
The FE can use 320w.
750W required (their words, not mine)
A lower power rating may work depending on system configuration.

I bet you’re gonna be replacing that psu and you system is cpu limited.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 18, 2020, 09:39
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 18, 2020, 09:39
Sep 18, 2020, 09:39
 
Ozmodan wrote on Sep 18, 2020, 06:04:
All the new Nvidia 30xx series will be in short supply till next year because Nvidia does not have that many to release. Microcenter got 100 for all their stores. That works out to 4 per store with no information on when they are getting more of them. If you really have to have one I suggest you look on Ebay and open your wallet.

According to Amazon my Zoltac 3080 is shipping to me on monday... for 699€ aka, cheaper than what I would have gotten on Nvidias own site - only even found this because a Zoltac email informed me they were selling this (I have a 1070 from Zoltac) and registered users got this info way ahead of everyone. So maybe I got lucky, but we'll see. But yeah, it was absolutely crazy, everything is sold out by now. I just hope my 600W PSU is enough... it's gonna be close but I only have a I5 8400, the entire system only needs 60-70W so I don't see how a GPU could overload that, but we'll see that too.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 18, 2020, 06:04
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 18, 2020, 06:04
Sep 18, 2020, 06:04
 
All the new Nvidia 30xx series will be in short supply till next year because Nvidia does not have that many to release. Microcenter got 100 for all their stores. That works out to 4 per store with no information on when they are getting more of them. If you really have to have one I suggest you look on Ebay and open your wallet.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 18, 2020, 05:58
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 18, 2020, 05:58
Sep 18, 2020, 05:58
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 18, 2020, 02:46:
Cram wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 15:22:
El Pit wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 15:12:
Remember to buy a POWERFUL and RELIABLE PSU with the RTX 3080. In a Crysis Remastered test, German game magazin PC Games Hardware ran into problems with their MSI RTX 3080. They had to exchange their Seasonic 750 watt PSU for a 1000 watt PSU and the problems were solved... So: yes. It needs power. LOTS AND LOTS of power.

Did they massively OC their (assuming they're running Intel) processor, or run some crazy test bench. 750w gold PS should be more than enough unless they've gone nuts with their setup, well beyond what an average consumer would do.

IIRC a "750 watt" power supply can't actually supply a stable 750 watts. It's always better to calculate what you need, and add about 20% to that when figuring out what watt power supply you should get.

The 3080 in that test was massively OC'd and had a 3rd 8pin connector. Also Pc Games Hardware are not professionals. I feel like I need to mention that because they don't even know what VRAM allocated vs VRAM used is.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 18, 2020, 04:35
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 18, 2020, 04:35
Sep 18, 2020, 04:35
 
RogueSix wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 18:42:
RedEye9 wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 18:39:
RogueSix wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 18:26:
Waiting a couple weeks more should hopefully not really be an issue for most sensible people .
sensible people
Are you reading the same threads I’m seeing.

Good point!

This pretty much. Gamers are usually not known for their rational, thoughtful decision making. There is no real reason why people need to buy this early. I mean, seriously? What the fuck guys? You can't wait another month to see what AMD has up their sleeve?
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 18, 2020, 02:49
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 18, 2020, 02:49
Sep 18, 2020, 02:49
 
RedEye9 wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 18:20:
El Pit wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 17:01:
In the test, they ran it in the "Can It Run Crysis" mode of the game at 4k with an MSI Gaming X RTX 3080, a Ryzen 3900x at 4.4 GHz, so the Ryzen was overclocked and the MSI Gaming X is overclocked out of the box. The MSI Gaming X is consuming a lot of power though which led to the problems. You will need a SOLID 850 watt PSU for this (or better).
If 750 is not enough neither is 850.
You’d want at least a 1000 watt psu.

And speaking of PSUs, you seen the price on those things lately, a Covid 19 price hike they did take!!
I was Uber lucky and got a great deal on a Black Friday sale a couple years ago and ended up with a 1000 watt EVGA for around 50 bucks after sale and mail in rebate. It’s still sitting in an unopened brand new box for this mysterious build I’m supposedly gonna make for myself one of these days.
Uhhhh, if you need to make a quick $50, I know a buyer for that PS. (points to self.)
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 18, 2020, 02:46
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 18, 2020, 02:46
Sep 18, 2020, 02:46
 
Cram wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 15:22:
El Pit wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 15:12:
Remember to buy a POWERFUL and RELIABLE PSU with the RTX 3080. In a Crysis Remastered test, German game magazin PC Games Hardware ran into problems with their MSI RTX 3080. They had to exchange their Seasonic 750 watt PSU for a 1000 watt PSU and the problems were solved... So: yes. It needs power. LOTS AND LOTS of power.

Did they massively OC their (assuming they're running Intel) processor, or run some crazy test bench. 750w gold PS should be more than enough unless they've gone nuts with their setup, well beyond what an average consumer would do.

IIRC a "750 watt" power supply can't actually supply a stable 750 watts. It's always better to calculate what you need, and add about 20% to that when figuring out what watt power supply you should get.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 17, 2020, 20:23
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 17, 2020, 20:23
Sep 17, 2020, 20:23
 
HorrorScope wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 20:20:
ForgedReality wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 19:17:
Who cares? The Ti is the one to wait for anyway.

Or 3090.

10gb is nowhere near enough vram for 4k let alone the touted 8k. Fuck that.

Seems like a LOT of people are caring right now. Is the TI selling for $700 or less?
The 3080 has 2gb more rams than the 2080, so it’s an Upgrayedd.
The two D's are for a "double-dose of pimpin".
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 17, 2020, 20:20
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 17, 2020, 20:20
Sep 17, 2020, 20:20
 
ForgedReality wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 19:17:
Who cares? The Ti is the one to wait for anyway.

Or 3090.

10gb is nowhere near enough vram for 4k let alone the touted 8k. Fuck that.

Seems like a LOT of people are caring right now. Is the TI selling for $700 or less?
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 17, 2020, 20:19
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 17, 2020, 20:19
Sep 17, 2020, 20:19
 
RogueSix wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 18:26:
It is called an early adopter idiot's premium for a reason.

I don't think that is the right way to say it, it is mature market. That is like someone buying a 2020 car model in 2020 and calling them an early adapter. It's a mature market, we are just plugging in a known commodity with more performance. Not some type of prototype that hasn't made it big yet.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 17, 2020, 19:17
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 17, 2020, 19:17
Sep 17, 2020, 19:17
 
Who cares? The Ti is the one to wait for anyway.

Or 3090.

10gb is nowhere near enough vram for 4k let alone the touted 8k. Fuck that.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 17, 2020, 18:42
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 17, 2020, 18:42
Sep 17, 2020, 18:42
 
RedEye9 wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 18:39:
RogueSix wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 18:26:
Waiting a couple weeks more should hopefully not really be an issue for most sensible people .
sensible people
Are you reading the same threads I’m seeing.

Good point!
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 17, 2020, 18:39
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 17, 2020, 18:39
Sep 17, 2020, 18:39
 
RogueSix wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 18:26:
Waiting a couple weeks more should hopefully not really be an issue for most sensible people .
sensible people
Are you reading the same threads I’m seeing.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 17, 2020, 18:30
Dev
 
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 17, 2020, 18:30
Sep 17, 2020, 18:30
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RogueSix wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 18:26:
Dev wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 17:15:
No, it's not a loss for nvidia, it's a massive profit. They probably make several hundred on each one they sell at the $700.

I agree that nVidia is probably making tons of money from each $700 FE card sale. Their precious margins are holy to them so they wouldn't ever sell it at under a certain percentage. No one really knows if Samsung is producing the GPUs cheaper for nVidia than TSMC would have but given that it is a rare major 3rd party deal for Samsung and how gaming Ampere is built on a custom 8nm node which Samsung specifically "invented" for nVidia, well, I'm sure that nVidia wouldn't have pulled the Samsung trigger if they hadn't gotten really attractive terms & conditions.

Also, the retailers raising the price, none of that gets to nvidia. Nvidia just gets the bulk price from selling to distributors.

Yes and no. Except for the Founder's Edition, nVidia sell nekkid GPUs in bulk to the board partners (AIBs). It is the AIBs who get the bulk price from selling finished cards to distributors, not nVidia. The retailers are currently price gouging as always when new hardware is in low supply. It is called an early adopter idiot's premium for a reason. It rarely ever makes sense to buy hardware on release day. The unsubstantiated rumors of a limited supply until the end of the year are not doing the Ampere launch any favors either. The best course of action in my opinion is to sit back and relax while waiting for supply and demand to balance out. Ampere is not going anywhere. It has been two years since the launch of Turing. Waiting a couple weeks more should hopefully not really be an issue for most sensible people.
If nvidia wasn't making a good or even better profit from samsung, they would have just raised the price. They are not at all shy about raising the price in last decade or so since ATI has gone downhill.

I realize they sell the chips in bulk, but it still makes my point true, nvidia doesn't see any of the profits from the gouging or initial price hikes, etc.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 17, 2020, 18:26
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 17, 2020, 18:26
Sep 17, 2020, 18:26
 
Dev wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 17:15:
No, it's not a loss for nvidia, it's a massive profit. They probably make several hundred on each one they sell at the $700.

I agree that nVidia is probably making tons of money from each $700 FE card sale. Their precious margins are holy to them so they wouldn't ever sell it at under a certain percentage. No one really knows if Samsung is producing the GPUs cheaper for nVidia than TSMC would have but given that it is a rare major 3rd party deal for Samsung and how gaming Ampere is built on a custom 8nm node which Samsung specifically "invented" for nVidia, well, I'm sure that nVidia wouldn't have pulled the Samsung trigger if they hadn't gotten really attractive terms & conditions.

Also, the retailers raising the price, none of that gets to nvidia. Nvidia just gets the bulk price from selling to distributors.

Yes and no. Except for the Founder's Edition, nVidia sell nekkid GPUs in bulk to the board partners (AIBs). It is the AIBs who get the bulk price from selling finished cards to distributors, not nVidia. The retailers are currently price gouging as always when new hardware is in low supply. It is called an early adopter idiot's premium for a reason. It rarely ever makes sense to buy hardware on release day. The unsubstantiated rumors of a limited supply until the end of the year are not doing the Ampere launch any favors either. The best course of action in my opinion is to sit back and relax while waiting for supply and demand to balance out. Ampere is not going anywhere. It has been two years since the launch of Turing. Waiting a couple weeks more should hopefully not really be an issue for most sensible people.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 17, 2020, 18:20
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 17, 2020, 18:20
Sep 17, 2020, 18:20
 
El Pit wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 17:01:
In the test, they ran it in the "Can It Run Crysis" mode of the game at 4k with an MSI Gaming X RTX 3080, a Ryzen 3900x at 4.4 GHz, so the Ryzen was overclocked and the MSI Gaming X is overclocked out of the box. The MSI Gaming X is consuming a lot of power though which led to the problems. You will need a SOLID 850 watt PSU for this (or better).
If 750 is not enough neither is 850.
You’d want at least a 1000 watt psu.

And speaking of PSUs, you seen the price on those things lately, a Covid 19 price hike they did take!!
I was Uber lucky and got a great deal on a Black Friday sale a couple years ago and ended up with a 1000 watt EVGA for around 50 bucks after sale and mail in rebate. It’s still sitting in an unopened brand new box for this mysterious build I’m supposedly gonna make for myself one of these days.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 17, 2020, 18:14
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 17, 2020, 18:14
Sep 17, 2020, 18:14
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 15:15:
Nvidia’s RTX 3080 is already sold out pretty much everywhere online in the US.

So much for the economy being in the toilet.
I know you’re being silly.
Did retailers have 100,000 units or 1,500,000 on launch day.
You can’t base an economic metric on an unknown number.
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Re: Nvidia’s RTX 3080 is already sold out pretty much everywhere online in the US
Sep 17, 2020, 18:04
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Re: Nvidia’s RTX 3080 is already sold out pretty much everywhere online in the US Sep 17, 2020, 18:04
Sep 17, 2020, 18:04
 
Simon Says wrote on Sep 17, 2020, 17:16:
A computer hardware outlet in the US that sells 100s of Nvidia cards daily said they had 3 3080 cards to sell, for 10 stores.

Can you say PAPER LAUNCH?

Absolutely...NewEgg is running pages for four AIB models--none in stock--no reviews--because they haven't sold any yet, apparently...;) I think that AMD may be waiting to actually have stock in the channel to sell on 10/28--seems a really good bet. Even better bet when you know nVidia said "October" for 3070 availability.
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Nvidia’s RTX 3080 is already sold out pretty much everywhere online in the US
Sep 17, 2020, 17:16
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Nvidia’s RTX 3080 is already sold out pretty much everywhere online in the US Sep 17, 2020, 17:16
Sep 17, 2020, 17:16
 

A computer hardware outlet in the US that sells 100s of Nvidia cards daily said they had 3 3080 cards to sell, for 10 stores.

Can you say PAPER LAUNCH?
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