PhysicalEd wrote on Sep 16, 2020, 13:27:
That Tesla allows operation at all without someone in the drivers seat reveals a serious design flaw. Other manufacturers make sure someone is behind the wheel at all times. I mean, when you have to point to GM as an example of a good implementation of anything you know you have a problem!
They do have a protection for this, if you look on the left at the gauge cluster at the beginning of the video you can see the warning flashing, slowly at first and then faster later on in the video. There's a reason they posted a short Tiktok video. Tesla implements both a seat occupancy sensor and a torque sensor on the wheel. It would be extremely unsafe if they instantly disabled the assisted driving mode entirely the second a wheel or torque sensor didn't report a correct response, it could result in rear end collisions and so on. What they do instead is if you don't respond to the warnings the car eventually pulls itself over to the shoulder, disables any assisted driving mode and turns on your hazards. The only other thing Tesla can do to prevent this sort of stupidity is eye monitoring which is what I think they should implement using the internal camera. I believe this is what Subaru and GM do. I suspect this is coming because they recently enabled the camera in a software update. Predictably a bunch of people are crying foul about privacy but IMO safety should trump privacy in this instance. But even if they did it overnight, someone will find a way to beat the eye monitoring tech with a device (like ingenext with their "upgrade" modules), by emulating the return function in software or even physically disabling it entirely. At some point it has to be the driver's responsibility to maintain control of the vehicle.
As a society we're nowhere near ready for autonomous vehicles. We need full vehicle to vehicle networking and awareness before we could ever attain that IMO and that requires a level of cooperation that could only be implemented by government regulation. Elon makes grandiose claims but I've used Autosteer quite a bit and I don't believe the cars currently have the hardware to make good on them. But they can probably reach a comfortable Level 4 at some point. Autopilot is not really the thing you see in this video anyway. "Autopilot" is just adaptive cruise control, slightly more capable than competitors due to the extensive use of cameras and radar. Autosteer is the extended function that actually does lane keeping and turns. You can't even enter Autosteer without specifically enabling it in the car settings, you're presented with a blunt warning about its capabilities and need to accept an agreement prior to doing so. You also get a warning each time you enable it. Full Self Driving is their actual destination to destination assisted vehicle tech that's in development.
I also agree with Redeye9 that the naming of Autopilot is confusing, though to be fair to Tesla it's a common moniker in the aviation industry and few people would ever confuse it with truly human-free flight. I don't agree that Tesla is responsible for deaths of drivers who have explicitly ignored multiple verbose warnings and so far the law bears out.
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