Ubisoft Changing Tom Clancy Mobile Game Intro After Backlash [Aug 30, 2020, 10:46 am ET] – Share – Viewing Comments
Ubisoft is apologizing for including a symbol showing as raised black fist in
the Cinematic Intro
for Tom Clancy's Elite Squad, a new mobile game. The intro depicts
worldwide protests that are actually being manipulated by a secret evil
organization called Umbra, and the raised fist symbol is being widely
interpreted as an implication that the Black Lives Matter movement is part of
some cynical conspiracy. The backlash to this includes
a tweet
from one of the game's developers: "Angry about the use of the black power fist
here. I worked on the character bios and was informed that UMBRA is supposed to
be a James Bond villain organisation, not something that looks like what the q
conspiracy people think is happening. Irresponsibly bad optics." Ubisoft's
response to the outcry is
to say "any resemblance to images associated with the Black Lives Matter
movement is coincidental," but in
this
tweet they promise to quickly update the game to remove the
symbol:
Imagery that appeared in the opening video sequence of Tom Clancy's Elite Squad featuring a 'raised fist' was insensitive and harmful in both its inclusion and how it was portrayed. We have listened to and appreciate the players and the broader community who pointed it out and we apologize. This raised fist imagery will be removed in the next title update this Tuesday, September 1 on Android and as soon as possible on iOS.
Quinn wrote on Sep 1, 2020, 18:47:ok!
... then whatever this place has become, I think I don't want to be a part of it anyway.
In America we have a saying and it goes something like this;
"Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you"
If you need further translation please hesitate to ask. Now chew on that for a second.
fujiJuice wrote on Sep 2, 2020, 08:25:Quinn wrote on Sep 1, 2020, 18:47:
Yeah no doubt it was aimed at you and not me. I was only incessantly pushing for an explanation on why one of my posts got removed with no valid reason =)
Chewed on it for a while. Left me sick. If my comments are being removed not because of forum rules violation but because of political/ethical/moral/subjective disagreements between myself and some moderator, and when I want a proper explanation for that transgression but instead get Verno's warning... then whatever this place has become, I think I don't want to be a part of it anyway.
Do with that what you will, staff. Sorry for exhausting you. Would still prefer an explanation instead of a ban, but I'm at peace with the latter as well.
Bluesnews is a private enterprise and not a democracy, you are not owed an explanation, in fact you aren't even owed a voice here. If you spent half as much time questioning your own behavior as you did others, you just might find yourself more equipped for conversation in the future.
Judging by your posts, though, it seems you will believe anything you read online so I will just say they removed your posts because they were too smart.
Edit:
I just have to add, after I have chewed on it a while, that this whole "unfair punishment because of prejudice" situation is so hilariously ironic. I doubt Quinn will understand how though.
I know Bluesnews can do whatever the hell they want regarding how they treat their members. I'm not asking for a lawyer am I? The thing is that it's revealing and highly disappointing. I've been on Bluesnews for roughly 20 years now.
I also don't get it what it is with you and most of the others here who disagree with me on these subjects. Are you guys deliberately mysterious in your rebuttals? It's all just vague, personal attacks and it's like you think that if you spread those bullets wide enough, I might interpret some flimsy attack as an actual mind-changing argument by accident? Seriously, the last time someone actually engaged with honest substance was jdryer months ago.
As for your Edit part: Very, very subtle. I have absolutely no idea to what poor minority group you're referring to.
Quinn wrote on Sep 1, 2020, 18:47:
Yeah no doubt it was aimed at you and not me. I was only incessantly pushing for an explanation on why one of my posts got removed with no valid reason =)
Chewed on it for a while. Left me sick. If my comments are being removed not because of forum rules violation but because of political/ethical/moral/subjective disagreements between myself and some moderator, and when I want a proper explanation for that transgression but instead get Verno's warning... then whatever this place has become, I think I don't want to be a part of it anyway.
Do with that what you will, staff. Sorry for exhausting you. Would still prefer an explanation instead of a ban, but I'm at peace with the latter as well.
Bluesnews is a private enterprise and not a democracy, you are not owed an explanation, in fact you aren't even owed a voice here. If you spent half as much time questioning your own behavior as you did others, you just might find yourself more equipped for conversation in the future.
Judging by your posts, though, it seems you will believe anything you read online so I will just say they removed your posts because they were too smart.
Edit:
I just have to add, after I have chewed on it a while, that this whole "unfair punishment because of prejudice" situation is so hilariously ironic. I doubt Quinn will understand how though.
This comment was edited on Sep 2, 2020, 08:46.
Beamer wrote on Sep 1, 2020, 08:06:
Yes, I'm 100% certain this impacts no one here.
If it affects no one here, it certainly doesn't affect the people complaining about an intro to a mobile game of all things, lol.
Beamer wrote on Sep 1, 2020, 11:57:Verno wrote on Sep 1, 2020, 11:44:
There are a few people in this thread who have exhausted staff patience for various reasons that we're not going to debate here and would do well to step back and pause for awhile before posting again.
Knowing this could very well and fairly be aimed at me
Yeah no doubt it was aimed at you and not me. I was only incessantly pushing for an explanation on why one of my posts got removed with no valid reason =)
Chewed on it for a while. Left me sick. If my comments are being removed not because of forum rules violation but because of political/ethical/moral/subjective disagreements between myself and some moderator, and when I want a proper explanation for that transgression but instead get Verno's warning... then whatever this place has become, I think I don't want to be a part of it anyway.
Do with that what you will, staff. Sorry for exhausting you. Would still prefer an explanation instead of a ban, but I'm at peace with the latter as well.
I'm glad I deleted my comments. This thread turned way too political for my tastes.
*puts on fire resistant PPE and runs away*
*puts on fire resistant PPE and runs away*
The most exercise some people get is jumping to conclusions.
Verno wrote on Sep 1, 2020, 11:44:
There are a few people in this thread who have exhausted staff patience for various reasons that we're not going to debate here and would do well to step back and pause for awhile before posting again.
Knowing this could very well and fairly be aimed at me, do we have a method of doing timed bans? Time-outs, I suppose?
-------------
Music for the discerning:
http://www.deathwishinc.com
http://www.hydrahead.com
http://www.painkillerrecords.com
Music for the discerning:
http://www.deathwishinc.com
http://www.hydrahead.com
http://www.painkillerrecords.com
There are a few people in this thread who have exhausted staff patience for various reasons that we're not going to debate here and would do well to step back and pause for awhile before posting again.
What an ignorant racist thinks BLM means and what it actually means are two entirely different things.
Let me put my original post differently then:
I disagree with BLM. I think it will go down in history as one of the most malevolent and divisive movements of all time. I find it particularly strange that their narrative is so very much anti-police, while black-on-black crime is so disproportionately high. What I mean to say by that is that it seems they are focussing on the wrong thing if BLACK LIVES actually MATTER to them. Disclaimer: I'm not saying two wrongs make a who-cares. There's a problem in the police as well. We need to fund the police and give them more training and a way to get them off the streets after an X amount of hours on it to recuperate mentally, among other things that need improvement.
I am not writing the above because I want to get my message across this current cesspit. I am writing it to portray that my post was removed for political reasons only. Some moderator is pro-BLM or whatever, or thinks -- like the usual suspects -- that I am a racist so anything I say is "delete-worthy".
I disagree with BLM. I think it will go down in history as one of the most malevolent and divisive movements of all time. I find it particularly strange that their narrative is so very much anti-police, while black-on-black crime is so disproportionately high. What I mean to say by that is that it seems they are focussing on the wrong thing if BLACK LIVES actually MATTER to them. Disclaimer: I'm not saying two wrongs make a who-cares. There's a problem in the police as well. We need to fund the police and give them more training and a way to get them off the streets after an X amount of hours on it to recuperate mentally, among other things that need improvement.
I am not writing the above because I want to get my message across this current cesspit. I am writing it to portray that my post was removed for political reasons only. Some moderator is pro-BLM or whatever, or thinks -- like the usual suspects -- that I am a racist so anything I say is "delete-worthy".
Drayth wrote on Sep 1, 2020, 08:25:
Quinn, if quotes of deleted comments are removed, what exactly did you think quoting your own removed comment was going to net you? I'm not the one who removed your original comment, but I am the one who removed the more recent. That's only because someone else read your original first. Your post wasn't deleted because it was reported, it was reported because it was worthy of removal.
And that's 100% more than you're owed in explanation to any of this, so perhaps you should stop asking 'Why are my posts deleted?', and start asking 'What can I change to stop posting delete-worthy comments?'.
Thank you, and have a great day!
This isn't an anwer to my question but I completely understand why this is, because honestly answering my question would raise eyebrows. There's no benefit in being honest here; in coming forward and telling me en public why my post was censored. It didn't violate any rules; it didn't contain fake news (although that wouldn't violate the rules, but still).
I don't often push back on a post being removed although you guys are highly fucking selective -- especially in what constitutes as personal attacks or not -- but the removal of that comment of mine is just ridiculous as far as I can tell.
Again, why was it deleted?
Why was it worthy of removal? If you cannot answer that question, I can't start asking myself "What can I change to stop posting delete-worthy comments" can I?
Quinn, if quotes of deleted comments are removed, what exactly did you think quoting your own removed comment was going to net you? I'm not the one who removed your original comment, but I am the one who removed the more recent. That's only because someone else read your original first. Your post wasn't deleted because it was reported, it was reported because it was worthy of removal.
And that's 100% more than you're owed in explanation to any of this, so perhaps you should stop asking 'Why are my posts deleted?', and start asking 'What can I change to stop posting delete-worthy comments?'.
Thank you, and have a great day!
And that's 100% more than you're owed in explanation to any of this, so perhaps you should stop asking 'Why are my posts deleted?', and start asking 'What can I change to stop posting delete-worthy comments?'.
Thank you, and have a great day!
Razumen wrote on Sep 1, 2020, 02:47:Beamer wrote on Aug 31, 2020, 07:48:
[quote="Razumen"Aug 31, 2020, 02:45"5 it5599]TriggleDiggle wrote on Aug 30, 2020, 19:29:Beamer wrote on Aug 30, 2020, 12:23:Yea true but you could say the same about the people who wanted it removed.
Look at the anti-outrage patrol getting all kinds of exceptionally outraged over something that doesn't impact them in a game they'll never play.
Yeah, this kind of argument doesn't make any sense. Either it's an impactful change or not. If it's not, why do they want it removed in the first place?
It's impactful to some people, but not the people here crying over the change, especially the ones that always swear they aren't racist and hate identify politics yet are the first to rush into topics about race and spew hatred based upon identity.
Listen, if you do something that unintentionally yet reasonably offends many people you did not mean to offend, including your own employees, would you fix it?
I sure would. I'm not the kind of jerk that just says "deal with it."
I see lots of projection here, you sure you know those people and can fairly judge what affects them better than they can themselves?
Yeah, I don't think so.
I wouldn't say this is a "reasonable" offense either, the symbol used by BLM has hardly been exclusive to it.
Yes, I'm 100% certain this impacts no one here.
-------------
Music for the discerning:
http://www.deathwishinc.com
http://www.hydrahead.com
http://www.painkillerrecords.com
Music for the discerning:
http://www.deathwishinc.com
http://www.hydrahead.com
http://www.painkillerrecords.com
Still waiting for an explanation/excuse.
Again, no rules violated. Maybe the moderator didn't agree with what I said is all? Ironic how the way this place is being moderated lately so accurately reflects the politically correct/defect outside world.
Again, no rules violated. Maybe the moderator didn't agree with what I said is all? Ironic how the way this place is being moderated lately so accurately reflects the politically correct/defect outside world.
Posted it again. Now it's become an IQ test.
Quinn wrote on Sep 1, 2020, 02:50:
* REMOVED *
This comment was deleted on Sep 1, 2020, 03:30.
Ok, so the same comment is still being censored with no explanation while I am not violating forum rules. Interesting.
* REMOVED *
This comment was deleted on Sep 1, 2020, 03:30.
This comment was deleted on Sep 1, 2020, 03:30.
Beamer wrote on Aug 31, 2020, 07:48:Razumen wrote on Aug 31, 2020, 02:45:TriggleDiggle wrote on Aug 30, 2020, 19:29:Beamer wrote on Aug 30, 2020, 12:23:Yea true but you could say the same about the people who wanted it removed.
Look at the anti-outrage patrol getting all kinds of exceptionally outraged over something that doesn't impact them in a game they'll never play.
Yeah, this kind of argument doesn't make any sense. Either it's an impactful change or not. If it's not, why do they want it removed in the first place?
It's impactful to some people, but not the people here crying over the change, especially the ones that always swear they aren't racist and hate identify politics yet are the first to rush into topics about race and spew hatred based upon identity.
Listen, if you do something that unintentionally yet reasonably offends many people you did not mean to offend, including your own employees, would you fix it?
I sure would. I'm not the kind of jerk that just says "deal with it."
I see lots of projection here, you sure you know those people and can fairly judge what affects them better than they can themselves?
Yeah, I don't think so.
I wouldn't say this is a "reasonable" offense either, the symbol used by BLM has hardly been exclusive to it.
Blue wrote on Aug 31, 2020, 17:39:Quinn wrote on Aug 31, 2020, 17:07:
Is the moderator in question going to speak up or do I have to repeat the comment you've removed?
Demands? Threats?
How about you just chill out?
Dude, I was silenced because someone felt offended. Not because I violated any forum rules. All the while the usual suspects call me a racist as per usual and all is cool. That's troublesome and typical for this day and age. This way this place is becoming or could become an echo-chamber of bad ideas. Even the usual suspects should find it worrisome, but they probably don't, because that would apply to them a level of intellectual honesty they have not shown since forever.
I'll post my removed comment in a new comment, so this one won't be removed with it.
I find many of these comments surprising. At a site like Blue's I thought PC would rein. Glad this many folk are thinkers
Copyright © 1996-2025 Stephen Heaslip. All rights reserved.
All trademarks are properties of their respective owners.
Privacy Policy. Manage Cookie Settings.
News CGI copyright © 1999-2025 James "furn" Furness & Blue's News. All rights reserved.
Chatbear v1.5.0/blue++: Page generated 16 July 2025, 07:48.