jdreyer wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 02:37:

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 01:09:
I'm going to get this eventually, but somebody was saying it's like 200GB or something ridiculous, in another thread... need to vastly clear out the SSD or just give up and buy a much larger one.

And you're waiting for what, exactly?

You're kidding of course, but I'm 40% convinced I can finish up the heavy hitter AAA games I have installed, and clear up enough space to put on one of these newer insane-sized games, without having to buy a second M2 SSD (1TB+) and just have this current M2 SSD sitting around borderline useless. My current MB doesn't support full speed for 2 M2s plugged in simultaneously, and I'm trying to hold off building an entire new system for a couple years if I can.

More on topic: Horizon Zero Dawn looks good, but not delete my half finished games and wipe it all down to nothing for 1 game good.

Dev wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 17:39:

Darks wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 16:27:
Cant say that I have and any of those issues. I'm running everything maxed on Ultra, and its been very stable and smooth.

Getting over 65 Fps on an EVGA 2080 Super TFW, 32GB Corsair Vengeance Ram and an Samsung Evo Pro M.2 2 TB 3500 Mbps. on a 4K 32 in Predator Monitor.

No stuttering, and no crashes after a few hours o game f play. So far, the game and story have been great and the graphics in this game are really incredible looking. Some of the beast I have seen in a game in a while.

Have you tried the in game benchmark in the options menu?
Maybe I'm an outlier, who knows.

I'm also enjoying the game and story and great graphics.

no, Only the initial one that setup the system that took about 5 mins.

Darks wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 16:27:
Cant say that I have and any of those issues. I'm running everything maxed on Ultra, and its been very stable and smooth.

Getting over 65 Fps on an EVGA 2080 Super TFW, 32GB Corsair Vengeance Ram and an Samsung Evo Pro M.2 2 TB 3500 Mbps. on a 4K 32 in Predator Monitor.

No stuttering, and no crashes after a few hours o game f play. So far, the game and story have been great and the graphics in this game are really incredible looking. Some of the beast I have seen in a game in a while.

Have you tried the in game benchmark in the options menu?
Maybe I'm an outlier, who knows.

I'm also enjoying the game and story and great graphics.

Dev wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 11:35:
Game crashed instantly on first run, but ran successfully after that and did the 5 or 10 min texture thing.
On my geforce 2080 graphics card with latest drivers specifically for horizon zero dawn, 32gb ram, nvme SSD, and i9-9900 running the built in benchmark it's pretty dang choppy at 1080p and ultra settings. Min FPS is only 16, although it says average is 57.

RedEye9 wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 11:25:

Dev wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 11:09:
The unlock is definately pegging all 8 cores of my intel CPU, it's not single threaded currently as rumors were. Although I had to change the crappy default win 10 view to see all my 16 logical HT ones.
Plus on my NVME SSD it's taking under 10 mins to unlock.

Didn’t Windows 7 also default to one graph for all CPUs versus one graph per cpu?

Could be, I don't recall, it's been so long lol

Cant say that I have and any of those issues. I'm running everything maxed on Ultra, and its been very stable and smooth.

Getting over 65 Fps on an EVGA 2080 Super TFW, 32GB Corsair Vengeance Ram and an Samsung Evo Pro M.2 2 TB 3500 Mbps. on a 4K 32 in Predator Monitor.

No stuttering, and no crashes after a few hours o game f play. So far, the game and story have been great and the graphics in this game are really incredible looking. Some of the beast I have seen in a game in a while.

Dev wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 11:35:
Game crashed instantly on first run, but ran successfully after that and did the 5 or 10 min texture thing.
On my geforce 2080 graphics card with latest drivers specifically for horizon zero dawn, 32gb ram, nvme SSD, and i9-9900 running the built in benchmark it's pretty dang choppy at 1080p and ultra settings. Min FPS is only 16, although it says average is 57.

"pretty dang choppy" on a .. 2080 and THAT system? Holy balls.

Dev wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 11:35:
On my geforce 2080 graphics card with latest drivers specifically for horizon zero dawn, 32gb ram, nvme SSD, and i9-9900 running the built in benchmark it's pretty dang choppy at 1080p and ultra settings. Min FPS is only 16, although it says average is 57.

That's abysmal for your system at 1080p. I would expect that to be even slightly low for 4k, given the game is a few years old.

It seems they still have a lot of work to do on this port. I'm pretty disappointed, as I was really excited for this game.

Game crashed instantly on first run, but ran successfully after that and did the 5 or 10 min texture thing.
On my geforce 2080 graphics card with latest drivers specifically for horizon zero dawn, 32gb ram, nvme SSD, and i9-9900 running the built in benchmark it's pretty dang choppy at 1080p and ultra settings. Min FPS is only 16, although it says average is 57.

RedEye9 wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 11:25:

Dev wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 11:09:
The unlock is definately pegging all 8 cores of my intel CPU, it's not single threaded currently as rumors were. Although I had to change the crappy default win 10 view to see all my 16 logical HT ones.
Plus on my NVME SSD it's taking under 10 mins to unlock.

Didn’t Windows 7 also default to one graph for all CPUs versus one graph per cpu?

Could be, I don't recall, it's been so long lol

This comment was edited on Aug 7, 2020, 11:45.

Dev wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 11:09:
The unlock is definately pegging all 8 cores of my intel CPU, it's not single threaded currently as rumors were. Although I had to change the crappy default win 10 view to see all my 16 logical HT ones.
Plus on my NVME SSD it's taking under 10 mins to unlock.

Didn’t Windows 7 also default to one graph for all CPUs versus one graph per cpu?

Simon Says wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 05:35:
Digital Foundry covered it and the port is a train wreck, very disappointing.

DF, is a joke. Did you even watch their review? The morons reviewed the game with a 4K TV, then on top of that the idiots figured out they had the GPU clocking at 8X when it should be at 16X. What a fucking joke that review is. They lost all credibility once I saw all that crap.

If they are messing around with the hardware and forgetting about the clocking speeds, what other bullshit have they messed with and forgotten?. No that review was utter trash, for starters why are they even messing with the hardware settings? they should have restarted the entire review on a clean system. No way I'm taking that review serious.

The unlock is definately pegging all 8 cores of my intel CPU, it's not single threaded currently as rumors were. Although I had to change the crappy default win 10 view to see all my 16 logical HT ones.
Plus on my NVME SSD it's taking under 10 mins to unlock.

I'm definitely looking forward to checking out this game on PC, but after reading about the issues, I think I'll wait a bit for some patches. Perhaps by the time the 3080ti comes out, much of it will fixed, and at the very least, the faster video card should mitigate some of the poor performance.

It's a shame that it is running an older version of the Decima engine and doesn't support DLSS2 (like Death Stranding). An engine upgrade after release is unlikely.

eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 05:50:

Quinn wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 04:03:
First, can anyone explain in noob-terms what an initial shader compilation actually does? I've experienced it before, Detroit: Become Human took forever during the first time I started the game up. I don't have issues with it, since it's just one time, but I have no clue what it does.

Second, great respect for Guerrilla that they mention this before the release. This will cost them a lot of day-one sales, meaning they now rely heavily on early reviews / user scores for those former day-one buyers to hop on the bandwagon.

I bought the game yesterday. Pre-loaded it. All before this statement. I'm most worried about the Anistrophic Filtering not working ("not working", like wtf?). If there's one graphical issue that bothers me, it's washed out textures.

Shaders are written in plaintext - the shader a GPU needs is compiled for whatever shader language your GPU uses, hint: it ain't plaintext.
So now you have 3 different GPU makers, and thousands of different driver/gpu/OS variations.. you need to include 1000 differently compiled shaders.. or you do it on start-up

Also, and maybe way worse. Games with pre-compiled shaders can break very easily when a driver changes something. If you compile on run-time, driver can handle this and you end with way better performance.

Thanks man. Makes some sense now! It is forever a mystery of the ages how someone who's been playing PC games since 1990 knows remarkably little about the technical stuff

eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 05:51:

Simon Says wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 05:35:
Digital Foundry covered it and the port is a train wreck, very disappointing.

Man, train wreck does not even begin to describe it. And I was kinda interested at first...

The main concerns of the Digital Foundry review are mentioned as high priority fixes, so at least they're acknowledging them. If this was a typical Square Enix release we'd get the game in this state (if we're lucky) and have to guess on whether a patch at all was coming.

Definitely buying this at some point - but now hearing this news- I can wait for awhile until it gets more patches .
Then it should be cheaper by then too.... so , win-win for me.

Simon Says wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 05:35:
Digital Foundry covered it and the port is a train wreck, very disappointing.

Man, train wreck does not even begin to describe it. And I was kinda interested at first...

Quinn wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 04:03:
First, can anyone explain in noob-terms what an initial shader compilation actually does? I've experienced it before, Detroit: Become Human took forever during the first time I started the game up. I don't have issues with it, since it's just one time, but I have no clue what it does.

Second, great respect for Guerrilla that they mention this before the release. This will cost them a lot of day-one sales, meaning they now rely heavily on early reviews / user scores for those former day-one buyers to hop on the bandwagon.

I bought the game yesterday. Pre-loaded it. All before this statement. I'm most worried about the Anistrophic Filtering not working ("not working", like wtf?). If there's one graphical issue that bothers me, it's washed out textures.

Shaders are written in plaintext - the shader a GPU needs is compiled for whatever shader language your GPU uses, hint: it ain't plaintext.
So now you have 3 different GPU makers, and thousands of different driver/gpu/OS variations.. you need to include 1000 differently compiled shaders.. or you do it on start-up

Also, and maybe way worse. Games with pre-compiled shaders can break very easily when a driver changes something. If you compile on run-time, driver can handle this and you end with way better performance.

Digital Foundry covered it and the port is a train wreck, very disappointing.

Quinn wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 04:03:
First, can anyone explain in noob-terms what an initial shader compilation actually does? I've experienced it before, Detroit: Become Human took forever during the first time I started the game up. I don't have issues with it, since it's just one time, but I have no clue what it does.

In many (most?) games, I think shaders are compiled as they are needed during gameplay, which can reduce performance. A one-time shader compilation process can improve performance but it does have the drawback of having to recompile if there are hardware or driver changes, as the post states. If you don't know, a shader is just a program that runs on the GPU that performs calculations which are used to apply effects to game assets, basically.

First, can anyone explain in noob-terms what an initial shader compilation actually does? I've experienced it before, Detroit: Become Human took forever during the first time I started the game up. I don't have issues with it, since it's just one time, but I have no clue what it does.

Second, great respect for Guerrilla that they mention this before the release. This will cost them a lot of day-one sales, meaning they now rely heavily on early reviews / user scores for those former day-one buyers to hop on the bandwagon.

I bought the game yesterday. Pre-loaded it. All before this statement. I'm most worried about the Anistrophic Filtering not working ("not working", like wtf?). If there's one graphical issue that bothers me, it's washed out textures.

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Aug 7, 2020, 01:09:
I'm going to get this eventually, but somebody was saying it's like 200GB or something ridiculous, in another thread... need to vastly clear out the SSD or just give up and buy a much larger one.

And you're waiting for what, exactly?