Cutter wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 22:00:

subx wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 21:50:

Cutter wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 15:43:
Point in fact I meant if they can make BMI technology which requires brain implants and all kinds of other corresponding high-tech equipment required for it than it's cuckoo bananas they can't just patch a spinal cord instead.

Ok, you're comparing hot wiring a car to wiring up a city.

Today's neurosurgery is a bit like trying to fix a computer with a hammer. Somehow stimulating the body to do repairs for us is the only way it's going to happen in the vaguely near future.

Nah. They're getting better at stem cell biomatrixes. The biomatrix is what tells the stem cells what to do/become. They've been successfully regrowing teeth in pigs for a few years now and reckon it may come to market inside a decade. No more false teeth or implants. I've actually never really looked into why it's so difficult to repair a damaged spinal cord. I'll have to take a look see. You'd thinkl it would be one of the easier things to do. Why not just cut some out of a cadaver and patch it in? Like splicing a wire.

Against high winds and tides, amazing show of insightful kevlar level proof ... I lack the words to express my admiration and respect. Wonderfully if capriciously done.

We have a duck crossing on our road which the ducks, swans etc all seem to naturally make use of.
I'd like to think they saw the sign and are obeying the law

subx wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 22:33:

Cutter wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 22:00:
Nah.

I should maybe mention that my point of view is heavily influenced by my brother, who's a neurosurgeon, who also has a degree in physics, and a PhD based on neuron regrowth.

I shit you not

Well then your brother would have to agree that teeth grown in a pig are the same as a spine and/or cadaver spines are jumper cables for spinal cord injuries.

Cutter wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 22:00:
Nah.

I should maybe mention that my point of view is heavily influenced by my brother, who's a neurosurgeon, who also has a degree in physics, and a PhD based on neuron regrowth.

I shit you not

subx wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 21:50:

Cutter wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 15:43:
Point in fact I meant if they can make BMI technology which requires brain implants and all kinds of other corresponding high-tech equipment required for it than it's cuckoo bananas they can't just patch a spinal cord instead.

Ok, you're comparing hot wiring a car to wiring up a city.

Today's neurosurgery is a bit like trying to fix a computer with a hammer. Somehow stimulating the body to do repairs for us is the only way it's going to happen in the vaguely near future.

Nah. They're getting better at stem cell biomatrixes. The biomatrix is what tells the stem cells what to do/become. They've been successfully regrowing teeth in pigs for a few years now and reckon it may come to market inside a decade. No more false teeth or implants. I've actually never really looked into why it's so difficult to repair a damaged spinal cord. I'll have to take a look see. You'd thinkl it would be one of the easier things to do. Why not just cut some out of a cadaver and patch it in? Like splicing a wire.

Cutter wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 15:43:
Point in fact I meant if they can make BMI technology which requires brain implants and all kinds of other corresponding high-tech equipment required for it than it's cuckoo bananas they can't just patch a spinal cord instead.

Ok, you're comparing hot wiring a car to wiring up a city.

Today's neurosurgery is a bit like trying to fix a computer with a hammer. Somehow stimulating the body to do repairs for us is the only way it's going to happen in the vaguely near future.

RedEye9 wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 13:19:
Not to put a damper on the Space race but the Apollo rocket was just a combination of things that we'd already accomplished.
I like to think of it as a submarine with a rocket attached to it. We could already send a nuke anywhere around the world along with submarines that could stay submerged for weeks. Slap the two together and go out in the ocean of space.

In some ways, submarines are actually more impressive than rockets--but they are definitely easier to launch.

Yeah the brain is actually mostly an unknown, and likely to stay that way for a long time to come. But there are plenty of processes in the human body we really only have a very basic understanding of...

RedEye9 wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 13:19:
The human body is far more complex than any of the above.

The Space Race, as magnificent an achievement as it was for the US, was a largely built atop evolutionary and iterative technology. It was technology that was understood on a fundamental level and improved upon. Goddard did the revolutionary and groundbreaking work decades prior.

When it comes to repairing the nervous system, we're still at the roadblock of we're not entirely sure how the brain, on a precise level, coordinates thought, electrical state change, and messaging in to movement and response.Hell, we're not even sure what the brain does within itself. I went in to some detail a few years back on my chronic insomnia and how it is caused. Many years after I was first diagnosed, no one knows why my brain behaves the way it does which causes the insomnia. That's just within itself. We are decades away from having the understanding and applicable knowledge to repairing the nervous system let along replacing it or augmenting it.

jdreyer wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 12:51:

subx wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 12:43:

Cutter wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 12:09:
I find it utterly amazing that we can put man on the moon but can't repair a spinal cord

You’re comparing apples with orange super computers, the level of complexity of the two tasks is several orders of magnitude different.

I would not say that one is more complex than the other. The Apollo rocket was the most complex machine ever built. During the space race we were spending 5% of our GDP on that project. We might have solved spinal injuries if we'd put that kind of money into it.

Point in fact I meant if they can make BMI technology which requires brain implants and all kinds of other corresponding high-tech equipment required for it than it's cuckoo bananas they can't just patch a spinal cord instead.

jdreyer wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 12:51:
I would not say that one is more complex than the other. The Apollo rocket was the most complex machine ever built. During the space race we were spending 5% of our GDP on that project. We might have solved spinal injuries if we'd put that kind of money into it.

Not to put a damper on the Space race but the Apollo rocket was just a combination of things that we'd already accomplished.
I like to think of it as a submarine with a rocket attached to it. We could already send a nuke anywhere around the world along with submarines that could stay submerged for weeks. Slap the two together and go out in the ocean of space.

imho
The human body is far more complex than any of the above.

subx wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 12:43:

Cutter wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 12:09:
I find it utterly amazing that we can put man on the moon but can't repair a spinal cord

You’re comparing apples with orange super computers, the level of complexity of the two tasks is several orders of magnitude different.

I would not say that one is more complex than the other. The Apollo rocket was the most complex machine ever built. During the space race we were spending 5% of our GDP on that project. We might have solved spinal injuries if we'd put that kind of money into it.

Beamer wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 12:03:
Two anti-mask, pro-"hoax" activists passed from COVID-19 this week. Herman Cain and the founder of Turning Point USA.

No death is meaningless, but I hope theirs are more meaningful than most and help convince people that this isn't a hoax, and that masks aren't an overreaction.

IIRC, Cain caught the virus at the Trump rally. Sad.

Isn’t his “new” discovery just elves, which I’m pretty sure I read about in the 80s?

Cutter wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 12:09:
I find it utterly amazing that we can put man on the moon but can't repair a spinal cord

You’re comparing apples with orange super computers, the level of complexity of the two tasks is several orders of magnitude different.

Beamer wrote on Jul 30, 2020, 12:03:
Two anti-mask, pro-"hoax" activists passed from COVID-19 this week. Herman Cain and the founder of Turning Point USA.

No death is meaningless, but I hope theirs are more meaningful than most and help convince people that this isn't a hoax, and that masks aren't an overreaction.

The tRump Virus is doing Darwin's work while administering its cruel IQ Test.

Lightning strike is more sfw then it is NSFW unless there's something weird going on in Canada that I don't know about.

Cool news on that BMI technology but it still seems that it should be easier and cheaper to repair the damage to the spinal cord than all of that stuff. I find it utterly amazing that we can put man on the moon but can't repair a spinal cord - or create a bypass for it - yet.

Go out and chat with him. Give him some peas. Once they get to know you they appreciate the company. I'm sure he'll find some pals before too long. It's no different from when people make new friends. It takes some time to get to know one another before you can move into a new social circle. He'll be fine. And what do you mean round-up of geese? Who's doing this? They're federally protected animals. That can only be done with the permission of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. Call and complain to them and your elected local and state reps in that case. Maybe start a petition in your complex. At least talk to the neighbors and see if they're of a like mind.

Two anti-mask, pro-"hoax" activists passed from COVID-19 this week. Herman Cain and the founder of Turning Point USA.

No death is meaningless, but I hope theirs are more meaningful than most and help convince people that this isn't a hoax, and that masks aren't an overreaction.