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Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jul 28, 2020, 11:21:
Razumen wrote on Jul 28, 2020, 03:02:
No, it's because his comments are common sense and unnecessarily targeting games for no real reason. You could say the exact same thing about any other hobby being a waste of time if that's all you do (and you're not a successful pro at it) and you'd be correct. Hell, doing ANYTHING to extremes is bad for you, even productive things like working.

Idk, I would tend to argue that games uniquely operate on human psychology in a way that leads to binge behaviors. Seriously, who among us here hasn't had at least a couple of 12+ hour long gaming sessions? I distinctly remember my first one: the day Half-Life: Opposing Force came out, I ended up playing through the whole thing in one sitting, finishing the campaign in the wee hours of the morning. In contrast, it's hard to think of any other recreational activity that can be so engrossing that you literally do nothing else for all of your waking hours.
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Razumen wrote on Jul 28, 2020, 03:02:
No, it's because his comments are common sense and unnecessarily targeting games for no real reason. You could say the exact same thing about any other hobby being a waste of time if that's all you do (and you're not a successful pro at it) and you'd be correct. Hell, doing ANYTHING to extremes is bad for you, even productive things like working.

Idk, I would tend to argue that games uniquely operate on human psychology in a way that leads to binge behaviors. Seriously, who among us here hasn't had at least a couple of 12+ hour long gaming sessions? I distinctly remember my first one: the day Half-Life: Opposing Force came out, I ended up playing through the whole thing in one sitting, finishing the campaign in the wee hours of the morning. In contrast, it's hard to think of any other recreational activity that can be so engrossing that you literally do nothing else for all of your waking hours.
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Jul 28, 2020, 06:57
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Roidgan is a master at click bait, and he is adept at exploiting almost any hot topic by focusing on the controversial aspects, while rarely adding anything positive or constructive the the discussion.

Roidgan is raging testosterone poisoned Alpha who looks down on anyone Beta or below while spouting a non stop stream of narcissistic Ayn Randian sophomoric BS exonerating Alphas and robber barons from any responsibility or consequences, that's just capitalism in his book and that is the best thing ever, screw the losers.

Professor Roidgan being the always on, always succeeds with minimal effort Alpha, simply cannot fathom the the term recreation and why the average person needs it.

The US Airforce, based on tons of scientific studies, determined pilots were most effective, and had the least accidents, when they were required to take weekends off and strongly encouraged to take part in recreational opportunities, (base golf course, swimming pools, officer clubs, base hobby shops, etc.)

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BIGtrouble77 wrote on Jul 28, 2020, 00:12:
It's obvious hardly anyone here listened to the comments in context and the concessions Joe made after making those comments. Gamers are the new potheads... critique their hobby and you will hear a million ways why you are wrong and clueless.

Reality is that, like everything in life, it's about balance. Joe specifically stated that if you have aspirations and goals that require you to learn or get better at a skill, but don't have the time then you need to take a serious look at how much time you spend gaming- and he admitted he had a problem. The vast majority of people are not making enough money from gaming to justify the excuse that it's a legitimate path to a sustainable career.We have a whole generation of Zoomers that think they are gonna be Twitch stars straight out of high school. It's just absurd.

Balance your life with activities related to your career path, activities related to your family life, activities that have you grow as an individual and finally activities that provide some escapism.

No, it's because his comments are common sense and unnecessarily targeting games for no real reason. You could say the exact same thing about any other hobby being a waste of time if that's all you do (and you're not a successful pro at it) and you'd be correct. Hell, doing ANYTHING to extremes is bad for you, even productive things like working.
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Jul 28, 2020, 02:36
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He's not wrong. You can definitely accomplish more if you spend less time playing games.
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It's obvious hardly anyone here listened to the comments in context and the concessions Joe made after making those comments. Gamers are the new potheads... critique their hobby and you will hear a million ways why you are wrong and clueless.

Reality is that, like everything in life, it's about balance. Joe specifically stated that if you have aspirations and goals that require you to learn or get better at a skill, but don't have the time then you need to take a serious look at how much time you spend gaming- and he admitted he had a problem. The vast majority of people are not making enough money from gaming to justify the excuse that it's a legitimate path to a sustainable career.We have a whole generation of Zoomers that think they are gonna be Twitch stars straight out of high school. It's just absurd.

Balance your life with activities related to your career path, activities related to your family life, activities that have you grow as an individual and finally activities that provide some escapism.
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Razumen wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 21:25:
jdreyer wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 16:24:
Wallshadows wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 16:04:
NKD wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 12:51:
Rogan was a Quake addict once upon a time.

By Rogan’s own admission, he’s been “addicted” to Quake in the past, and has seemingly dived back into it recently. After setting up a game room in his studio in 2019, Rogan posted that playing Quake Champions “might as well be sugar-coated heroin mixed with cocaine and meth.” He’s also said that during the ’90s, he spent $10,000 per month in order to set up a high-speed internet connection in order to improve his internet speeds to play Quake.

“When you’re completely addicted to playing Quake for 8-10 hours a day, and you go, ‘there’s a solution? What is this solution? A T1 line? Let’s do that,'” he said back in a 2016 episode of his podcast.


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So a literal "high ping bastard."

Uh, no. If he was paying $10,000 for a T1 line, he was nowhere near being a HPB. Pretty much the exact opposite.

smh, jdreyer turn in your ancient pc gamer card
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jdreyer wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 16:24:
Wallshadows wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 16:04:
NKD wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 12:51:
Rogan was a Quake addict once upon a time.

By Rogan’s own admission, he’s been “addicted” to Quake in the past, and has seemingly dived back into it recently. After setting up a game room in his studio in 2019, Rogan posted that playing Quake Champions “might as well be sugar-coated heroin mixed with cocaine and meth.” He’s also said that during the ’90s, he spent $10,000 per month in order to set up a high-speed internet connection in order to improve his internet speeds to play Quake.

“When you’re completely addicted to playing Quake for 8-10 hours a day, and you go, ‘there’s a solution? What is this solution? A T1 line? Let’s do that,'” he said back in a 2016 episode of his podcast.


Sauce

So a literal "high ping bastard."

Uh, no. If he was paying $10,000 for a T1 line, he was nowhere near being a HPB. Pretty much the exact opposite.
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Jul 27, 2020, 16:37
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mirthy wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 13:19:
No. Having watched the snippet, what he said is completely fair when taken in context.

Exactly. I think some of the people commenting here didn't watch the video (or just hate the guy for some reason). He's absolutely right. Games are fun, and that's why you spend a lot of time playing them (i.e. stimulation). That's all he's really saying. It happened to him and he admits it. You have to balance your time investment between family, education/productivity, and leisure. No one is forcing you to balance, but it's probably going to give you negative side-effects, just like if you work 15 hours a day. But since playing games doesn't really give you all that much in return other than stimulation, it's probably best to minimize. I love games, but honestly, I play max 6 hours a week (mostly weekends with friends).
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Wallshadows wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 16:04:
NKD wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 12:51:
Rogan was a Quake addict once upon a time.

By Rogan’s own admission, he’s been “addicted” to Quake in the past, and has seemingly dived back into it recently. After setting up a game room in his studio in 2019, Rogan posted that playing Quake Champions “might as well be sugar-coated heroin mixed with cocaine and meth.” He’s also said that during the ’90s, he spent $10,000 per month in order to set up a high-speed internet connection in order to improve his internet speeds to play Quake.

“When you’re completely addicted to playing Quake for 8-10 hours a day, and you go, ‘there’s a solution? What is this solution? A T1 line? Let’s do that,'” he said back in a 2016 episode of his podcast.


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So a literal "high ping bastard."
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NKD wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 12:51:
Rogan was a Quake addict once upon a time.

By Rogan’s own admission, he’s been “addicted” to Quake in the past, and has seemingly dived back into it recently. After setting up a game room in his studio in 2019, Rogan posted that playing Quake Champions “might as well be sugar-coated heroin mixed with cocaine and meth.” He’s also said that during the ’90s, he spent $10,000 per month in order to set up a high-speed internet connection in order to improve his internet speeds to play Quake.

“When you’re completely addicted to playing Quake for 8-10 hours a day, and you go, ‘there’s a solution? What is this solution? A T1 line? Let’s do that,'” he said back in a 2016 episode of his podcast.

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Jul 27, 2020, 15:38
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MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 12:00:
Listening to podcasts is a waste of time, watching videos online is a waste of time, pretty much everything that isn't reversing global warming is a waste of time.

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mirthy wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 13:19:
No. Having watched the snippet, what he said is completely fair when taken in context.

Most of the controversial quotes about games are completely fair when taken in context, people just hate doing that. For every moron Jack Thompson, there's someone that people are clutching their pearls over because they can't be bothered to listen. Even Anita Sarkeesian was mostly saying completely fair things, people just got very worked up (and had to work hard to be worked up.)

However, this article is dumb for reasons other than being out of context:
He also doesn’t seem to fully grasp that much of gaming creates adaptable skills — while being an expert at League of Legends won’t make you instantly an expert at Dota 2, many of the skills are easily transferred.

I don't think his point shifts too much if the 60 hours of WoW a week (which is what he's talking about, not the person doing even 2 hours a day) gives you skills you can bring to, I dunno, what's the cool MMORPG these days?
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MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 12:00:
Listening to podcasts is a waste of time, watching videos online is a waste of time, pretty much everything that isn't reversing global warming is a waste of time.

Right there are tons of things that don't add up to a big net positive. I should do community service work, but I don't, I should though. Gaming can be unhealthy, a lot of things can be.
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I wouldn't say that gaming is a waste of time, so much as it is a comparatively hollow pursuit as compared to other activities/artistic mediums. As I've grown older, I've found that games that purport to be "artistic"/"serious" resonate with me less and less; far from being "serious", most games come off as being trite and juvenile in comparison to more literary media. For me at least, they certainly provide far less to think about and have never provoked me to reevaluate my understanding of life, my place in the world, how I relate to others, etc. That doesn't mean games are bad or a waste of time, just that they're a bit shallower than other alternatives, and that if I want to use my time well, gaming should be reserved for the hours in which I'm mentally shot and don't have the energy to more seriously engage with weightier material.

Likewise, gaming as a skill which you cultivate seems less rewarding to me than, say, running or weight lifting or learning a new language or honing my professional skills, etc. There is certainly the thrill of the kill in multiplayer games, or the satisfaction of completing a singleplayer game, but when I really evaluate how that feels as compared to mastering a skill that exists in the real world, games always come up short. Again, this isn't to say games are bad or that they aren't fun (in fact, they can be incredibly enjoyable in the moment), just that my experience is that I derive much more long-term satisfaction and contentment from other pursuits. At the very least, I know I'm much happier and fulfilled now that games are a much smaller part of my life than they were when I was younger.
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No. Having watched the snippet, what he said is completely fair when taken in context.
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Avus wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 12:38:
Any HOBBY is waste of time. It is one of the purpose of a hobby. Hobby like cars, photography... not only waste of time, they can also waste lots of $$$. And some other hobby can even hurt/kill you... (example: extreme games). Gaming is one of the "cheaper" and safer" for many.

Not sure if I'd go as far as saying "waste of time". Giving one self some sort of leisure pleasure is actually fairly healthy, as long as not taken to extremes.

Some hobbies are less "productive" than others... but that doesn't matter.
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But watching guys beat each other up for money is perfectly acceptable and a good use of time? Is he trolling, or just an idiot?
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NKD wrote on Jul 27, 2020, 12:51:
Rogan was a Quake addict once upon a time.

This is the scorned past mentality here.. he probably looks back on his quake days and thinks "Wow i really wasted a lot of time on this" but he's failing to factor that those days shaped him towards what he is today.

He's just talking about his personal views on his experiences.
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Rogan was a Quake addict once upon a time.
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