wtf_man wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 19:38:

jdreyer wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 18:59:

As for tracking, use a VPN, or set up encrypted DNS over HTTPS on your browser.
Firefox
Chrome

Oh I do a ton to thwart the tracking. The point is, I shouldn't have to. And no matter how much I do thwart... it's never 100%.

I'm willing to bet that what burrito does is as close to 100% as one can get. Meaning his shits at 99.95%

I hope DrDisrespect comes back strong, he was one of the few streamers I ever bothered to watch and got a laugh out of. Firm handshakes Doc.

jdreyer wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 18:59:

As for tracking, use a VPN, or set up encrypted DNS over HTTPS on your browser.
Firefox
Chrome

Oh I do a ton to thwart the tracking. The point is, I shouldn't have to. And no matter how much I do thwart... it's never 100%.

Cutter wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 17:36:

maddog wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 14:57:
Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't the courts all but killed municipal broadband? I get that some municipalities have it but it's far from being common.

He'd be better served to team up with Musk and promote his Starlink

I think that's mainly a state by state thing. Probably all but dead in red states and mostly doable in blue states. Just one more thing the Dems need to fix. However, if they fail to get the 2/3rd majority control - because that's what's required to override a Presidential veto - of Congress it doesn't matter if Biden beats Trump. The GOP actually stand a pretty good chance of retaking complete control of Congress. If they do, America is fucked regardless of who the President is. I don't understand all this focus on the Presidency when control of Congress is what really matters in this election. If the Dems pull it off and Trump wins, it doesn't matter he's a completely lame duck for the rest of his final turn no matter what an embarrassment he is. He who controls Congress controls the country.

Generic ballots are putting things ahead for Dems about the same as 2018 in the House. And things keep getting worse for Republicans as they continue to enable Trump.

As for the Senate, Dems still have some work to do, although their chances continue to improve as the virus and the economy tank the US.

wtf_man wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 16:42:

jdreyer wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 15:14:

maddog wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 14:57:
Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't the courts all but killed municipal broadband? I get that some municipalities have it but it's far from being common.

He'd be better served to team up with Musk and promote his Starlink

It's usually not the courts. It's usually telecom lobbyists pushing state-level laws banning the cities and towns from setting them up.

This.
The biggest legitimate concern opposition reason is that it is financially risky for taxpayers because current ones mostly operate in the red.
The biggest political reason is because it "hampers the free market". (As if lack of choice / competition didn't already hamper it)

That said... since most people in the country think that broadband should be treated as a utility... it either needs to be regulated like one, or allow municipal broadband as a choice (Not sure how that would work tax-wise).

I have zero sympathy for the carriers / ISPs in this country... and I'm usually on the "fiscal conservative" side of things.

And one of the only California laws I agree with, would be an non-defanged version of their privacy law. FSCHK all these @sshat Carriers, Big Tech search and social media, and Marketing scumbags on the internet tracking everything you do without your permission. That shit needs to be stopped cold.

Exactly. Monopolies/Duopolies are not a free market. They had their chance to be good corporate citizens, and they failed miserably, leading cities and counties to set up their own internet.

As for tracking, use a VPN, or set up encrypted DNS over HTTPS on your browser.
Firefox
Chrome

yonder wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 18:03:
Um... MOST public utilities start in the red. That's literally one of the reasons they're often funded with public money. Society pools their resources to get the foundation in place and private companies take over.

Yknow, like large scale railroads. Large scale electricity products, especially out west. Phone lines. The internet.

I'll never understand the ultra-conservative demand that all public functions be profitable.

I actually wasn't debating that. I was merely pointing out what the political opposition to the topic is stating.
But to play devil's advocate most taxpayers don't like funding things that could potentially be a moneypit and do nothing but require even more taxes in order to keep (whatever) afloat.

I consider broadband as infrastructure... so I don't bitch about taxes for something like that.
Welfare? Yeah... get rid of it. I don't want to pay for other people's sh!t. That includes universal / single payer medical, free college, living wage / stipends, etc. etc. etc.

wtf_man wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 16:42:

jdreyer wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 15:14:

maddog wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 14:57:
Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't the courts all but killed municipal broadband? I get that some municipalities have it but it's far from being common.

It's usually not the courts. It's usually telecom lobbyists pushing state-level laws banning the cities and towns from setting them up.

This.
The biggest legitimate concern opposition reason is that it is financially risky for taxpayers because current ones mostly operate in the red.
The biggest political reason is because it "hampers the free market". (As if lack of choice / competition didn't already hamper it)

That said... since most people in the country think that broadband should be treated as a utility... it either needs to be regulated like one, or allow municipal broadband as a choice (Not sure how that would work tax-wise).

I have zero sympathy for the carriers / ISPs in this country... and I'm usually on the "fiscal conservative" side of things.

And one of the only California laws I agree with, would be an non-defanged version of their privacy law. FSCHK all these @sshat Carriers, Big Tech search and social media, and Marketing scumbags on the internet tracking everything you do without your permission. That shit needs to be stopped cold.

He'd be better served to team up with Musk and promote his Starlink

Um... MOST public utilities start in the red. That's literally one of the reasons they're often funded with public money. Society pools their resources to get the foundation in place and private companies take over.

Yknow, like large scale railroads. Large scale electricity products, especially out west. Phone lines. The internet.

I'll never understand the ultra-conservative demand that all public functions be profitable.

maddog wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 14:57:
Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't the courts all but killed municipal broadband? I get that some municipalities have it but it's far from being common.

He'd be better served to team up with Musk and promote his Starlink

I think that's mainly a state by state thing. Probably all but dead in red states and mostly doable in blue states. Just one more thing the Dems need to fix. However, if they fail to get the 2/3rd majority control - because that's what's required to override a Presidential veto - of Congress it doesn't matter if Biden beats Trump. The GOP actually stand a pretty good chance of retaking complete control of Congress. If they do, America is fucked regardless of who the President is. I don't understand all this focus on the Presidency when control of Congress is what really matters in this election. If the Dems pull it off and Trump wins, it doesn't matter he's a completely lame duck for the rest of his final turn no matter what an embarrassment he is. He who controls Congress controls the country.

jdreyer wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 15:14:

maddog wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 14:57:
Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't the courts all but killed municipal broadband? I get that some municipalities have it but it's far from being common.

He'd be better served to team up with Musk and promote his Starlink

It's usually not the courts. It's usually telecom lobbyists pushing state-level laws banning the cities and towns from setting them up.

This.
The biggest legitimate concern opposition reason is that it is financially risky for taxpayers because current ones mostly operate in the red.
The biggest political reason is because it "hampers the free market". (As if lack of choice / competition didn't already hamper it)

That said... since most people in the country think that broadband should be treated as a utility... it either needs to be regulated like one, or allow municipal broadband as a choice (Not sure how that would work tax-wise).

I have zero sympathy for the carriers / ISPs in this country... and I'm usually on the "fiscal conservative" side of things.

And one of the only California laws I agree with, would be an non-defanged version of their privacy law. FSCHK all these @sshat Carriers, Big Tech search and social media, and Marketing scumbags on the internet tracking everything you do without your permission. That shit needs to be stopped cold.

maddog wrote on Jul 14, 2020, 14:57:
Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't the courts all but killed municipal broadband? I get that some municipalities have it but it's far from being common.

He'd be better served to team up with Musk and promote his Starlink

It's usually not the courts. It's usually telecom lobbyists pushing state-level laws banning the cities and towns from setting them up.

Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't the courts all but killed municipal broadband? I get that some municipalities have it but it's far from being common.

He'd be better served to team up with Musk and promote his Starlink

Is an "apology" only after getting caught really sincere or valid? I don't think so. He's mostly sorry for getting caught, not for the actual act.