NKD wrote on Jul 6, 2020, 22:12:

Quinn wrote on Jul 6, 2020, 17:21:

Beamer wrote on Jul 6, 2020, 10:49:
This reddit post felt somewhat fitting. A male is complaining that women don't act the way he demands they do, and none have any interest in him and find him creepy and off-putting. Virtually every response tells him that he, and his attitude, are the problem. His views are outdated, his demands extreme, and he doesn't offer anything in return near reaching those demands.

He packages it up into Christianity, saying the Bible tells him to expect this, but he lashes out at everyone telling him he's outdated as "liberals," so the religion is just a cover for the political views. Pretty much all the responses come from Christians, so the religion isn't the problem.

It just felt relevant here. A man, making extreme demands of a female, confused and angry at why people find him offputting, and incapable of understanding that he needs to change his attitude and his actions.

Roses are red. Violets are blue. That guy's an idiot and nobody here (I bet my entire ballsack) disagrees.

You forgot about Kxmode didn't you. Say goodbye to your ballsack, hope you weren't using it.

Well, you missed the following part?

Pretty much all the responses come from Christians, so the religion isn't the problem.

I'm thinking Kxmode would be one of those Christians. Kxmode can chime in if he is on the idiot's side. So far, I'll presume my ballsack is still very much intact.

Quinn wrote on Jul 6, 2020, 17:21:

Beamer wrote on Jul 6, 2020, 10:49:
This reddit post felt somewhat fitting. A male is complaining that women don't act the way he demands they do, and none have any interest in him and find him creepy and off-putting. Virtually every response tells him that he, and his attitude, are the problem. His views are outdated, his demands extreme, and he doesn't offer anything in return near reaching those demands.

He packages it up into Christianity, saying the Bible tells him to expect this, but he lashes out at everyone telling him he's outdated as "liberals," so the religion is just a cover for the political views. Pretty much all the responses come from Christians, so the religion isn't the problem.

It just felt relevant here. A man, making extreme demands of a female, confused and angry at why people find him offputting, and incapable of understanding that he needs to change his attitude and his actions.

Roses are red. Violets are blue. That guy's an idiot and nobody here (I bet my entire ballsack) disagrees.

You forgot about Kxmode didn't you. Say goodbye to your ballsack, hope you weren't using it.

Beamer wrote on Jul 6, 2020, 10:49:
This reddit post felt somewhat fitting. A male is complaining that women don't act the way he demands they do, and none have any interest in him and find him creepy and off-putting. Virtually every response tells him that he, and his attitude, are the problem. His views are outdated, his demands extreme, and he doesn't offer anything in return near reaching those demands.

He packages it up into Christianity, saying the Bible tells him to expect this, but he lashes out at everyone telling him he's outdated as "liberals," so the religion is just a cover for the political views. Pretty much all the responses come from Christians, so the religion isn't the problem.

It just felt relevant here. A man, making extreme demands of a female, confused and angry at why people find him offputting, and incapable of understanding that he needs to change his attitude and his actions.

Roses are red. Violets are blue. That guy's an idiot and nobody here (I bet my entire ballsack) disagrees.

Cutter wrote on Jul 5, 2020, 17:33:
What you idiots continually fail to grasp is the simple fact that this is just the beginning, overt and aggressive acts of racism and sexism. Next it'll be for things much smaller and inconsequential, bullshit like "microagressions" as you moonbats like to call them. Not too long from now regardless of anything you say or do if a woman, and god help you if she's black, says you did something she didn't like - maybe didn't laugh at her joke - and the mob will turn on you. You'll be the next white fascist male being fired, sued, and having his life destroyed. When you're the victim of this PC idiocy you won't be loving it then.

Come on now, they'll be protected because they have lived a life without sin! They have the evidence to back it up! But the court of public opinion will demand he be tested for being a sexist by floating or sinking evidence be damned.

That or they'll walk in on their married female boss, the city manager screwing the sewer dept. manager. at her desk. Then they get fired and demonized as a harasser. But hey, it got that female relative of mine a nice work place harrassment lawsuit settlement check when it happened to her 15 years ago!

Beamer wrote on Jul 6, 2020, 10:49:
This reddit post felt somewhat fitting. A male is complaining that women don't act the way he demands they do, and none have any interest in him and find him creepy and off-putting. Virtually every response tells him that he, and his attitude, are the problem. His views are outdated, his demands extreme, and he doesn't offer anything in return near reaching those demands.

He packages it up into Christianity, saying the Bible tells him to expect this, but he lashes out at everyone telling him he's outdated as "liberals," so the religion is just a cover for the political views. Pretty much all the responses come from Christians, so the religion isn't the problem.

It just felt relevant here. A man, making extreme demands of a female, confused and angry at why people find him offputting, and incapable of understanding that he needs to change his attitude and his actions.

"Maybe you should embrace Paul's teachings on singleness. Sounds like you'd be a good fit for that."

That about sums it up.

This reddit post felt somewhat fitting. A male is complaining that women don't act the way he demands they do, and none have any interest in him and find him creepy and off-putting. Virtually every response tells him that he, and his attitude, are the problem. His views are outdated, his demands extreme, and he doesn't offer anything in return near reaching those demands.

He packages it up into Christianity, saying the Bible tells him to expect this, but he lashes out at everyone telling him he's outdated as "liberals," so the religion is just a cover for the political views. Pretty much all the responses come from Christians, so the religion isn't the problem.

It just felt relevant here. A man, making extreme demands of a female, confused and angry at why people find him offputting, and incapable of understanding that he needs to change his attitude and his actions.

Cutter wrote on Jul 5, 2020, 17:33:
What you idiots continually fail to grasp is the simple fact that this is just the beginning, overt and aggressive acts of racism and sexism. Next it'll be for

That's the sound of fear I hear from white males these days (I'm a white male myself), do the right thing and almost always, as there are always outliers to everything, you will be good. Are your skeletons coming for you Cutter?

RedEye9 wrote on Jul 5, 2020, 23:12:

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jul 5, 2020, 22:31:

RedEye9 wrote on Jul 5, 2020, 09:35:
What part about "women at work are there for your amusement,'" whether you are married or single, don't you understand?

The part where I show up, do my job, collect my salary, and go home?

You don't understand the rule of getting your honey where you make your money.
Read your employee handbook, chapter one says you were hired to play grab-ass, make women feel uncomfortable when you're near and do actual work only if absolutely necessary.

It took me a while due to my charitable nature, but now I am certain: RedEye9 is a troll.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jul 5, 2020, 22:31:

RedEye9 wrote on Jul 5, 2020, 09:35:
What part about "women at work are there for your amusement,'" whether you are married or single, don't you understand?

The part where I show up, do my job, collect my salary, and go home?

You don't understand the rule of getting your honey where you make your money.
Read your employee handbook, chapter one says you were hired to play grab-ass, make women feel uncomfortable when you're near and do actual work only if absolutely necessary.

RedEye9 wrote on Jul 5, 2020, 09:35:
What part about "women at work are there for your amusement,'" whether you are married or single, don't you understand?

The part where I show up, do my job, collect my salary, and go home?

Quinn wrote on Jul 5, 2020, 17:15:
...This is indeed fear for what "might be"...

I "might be" killed by a shark the next time I swim out in the water at the beach. However, the data suggests that I am much more likely to be killed by a cow. Seriously.

I have no problems having a civil discourse on any matter (provided I get enough sleep) but what I have seen in this thread are people like Cutter who are throwing emotionally driven tantrums based on persecution fantasies.

From my perspective, were I accused I wouldn't sweat it. I know what I have both done and not done and I have a mountain of data at any given moment to back it up. Moreover, even were I not married, I have never mixed my professional life with my personal life. I show up, do my job, collect my salary, and go home. It is strongly advisable that others do the same. However, as we have seen with these high profile cases, there are a great number of people who can't...and that is exactly what trips them up (barring any unethical, illegal, and/or unprofessional behavior for which they should be nailed to the wall.)

It's unlikely this VP was going to go quietly if there wasn't something in those investigations. So I doubt this was merely social media accusations. Similarly with the other VP. Those are merely the impetus that got the ball rolling.
It's real easy to do something like an email or chat search of corporate communications, and people who habitually do this crap do it all the time because of a lifetime of those habits and views and don't bother to do much hiding of it. Good example would be the original metoo, rapenstein.

You can tell a lot about a person by looking at the company they keep.
And you sir don't pick good company.

Quinn wrote on Jul 5, 2020, 17:15:
You and I both know that if some person somewhere would tweet the name of Person X #metoo, that person will immediately live in hell.

It's really not that simple. You can't just make a Twitter account, toss out someones name and put #MeToo on there. First, you'll probably get banned for doxxing if the person isn't a public figure. Second, no one is going to give a shit what an egg with 5 followers, all bots, has to say. If it was that easy, every last streamer or public figure would be #MeToo'd by trolls by now.

Spektr wrote on Jul 5, 2020, 17:43:
Well dudes I disagree with you but I'd rather have this discussion about it that filtering news/info/ posts that I don't like. Well yes women can report false accusations. We've seen those videos of white women calling the police accusing a black man of threatening them while the guy was filming her. So, yeah women can lie. Does it mean that the accusations are fake? that the accusation are true? Who knows? I don't. There are people paid to figure it out. if they can prove it, we can hope justice will be served.

Totally agree. And so does Cutter and people who seem to be on "my side" of this. Exactly. To the letter.

If not the decision may well be between freeing guilty people and putting innocent people in jail. What is the best option? *snip*

Definitely not the latter, wouldn't you say? Wouldn't we all say?! I really hope that question was rhetorical, and that the Cutters and the Redeyes and the Beamers and the Quinns can all agree on 2 things: 1.) We like computer games and 2.) You are innocent until proven guilty.

If this isn't the case, then come at me. Let's talk. Because this is what it all comes down to. All the deliberate misinterpretations are out of the way. The straw men are burned to ashes.

Well dudes I disagree with you but I'd rather have this discussion about it that filtering news/info/ posts that I don't like. Well yes women can report false accusations. We've seen those videos of white women calling the police accusing a black man of threatening them while the guy was filming her. So, yeah women can lie. Does it mean that the accusations are fake? that the accusation are true? Who knows? I don't. There are people paid to figure it out. if they can prove it, we can hope justice will be served. If not the decision may well be between freeing guilty people and putting innocent people in jail. What is the best option? In the case of the guy, he was seen choking a woman at a party so I guess it's not looking good for him, and I would be tempted to say good riddance. What choice do they have anyway? Their games are worse, the last thing they need is the reputation of a company is an horrid place to work. How else can they keep on recruiting starry eyed employees they can work around the clock like a pakistani steamstress?

What you idiots continually fail to grasp is the simple fact that this is just the beginning, overt and aggressive acts of racism and sexism. Next it'll be for things much smaller and inconsequential, bullshit like "microagressions" as you moonbats like to call them. Not too long from now regardless of anything you say or do if a woman, and god help you if she's black, says you did something she didn't like - maybe didn't laugh at her joke - and the mob will turn on you. You'll be the next white fascist male being fired, sued, and having his life destroyed. When you're the victim of this PC idiocy you won't be loving it then.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jul 5, 2020, 16:05:

Quinn wrote on Jul 5, 2020, 11:49:
The fear people have is that there will be "collateral damage", that innocent men's heads will roll in this new woke trend which is maybe completely benevolent but definitely good PR.

Do you have citable sources with verifiable facts for these events actually occurring? Not anecdotes but actual data.

Because if you don't, you're fear mongering. Fear is irrational and acting out of that fear is just as irrational as you claim others are being.

As I said previously, I have worked in my career field for 40 years and at no time have I ever been accused of sexual harassment or professional misconduct nor, to the best of my knowledge, have I ever engaged in it. Also, at no point in that 40 years have I ever worried that I would be falsely accused. This is, to my memory, the third time that sexual harassment has become a spotlight in the corporate world since I began working. In the two other previous times, I heard much the same rhetoric that is spewed here. That it was a witch hunt, that men would be falsely accused, that lives and careers would be ended, et al ad nauseum. None of that ever happened.

It is, to my mind, simple to keep from running afoul of an allegation. I treat the women I work with the same courtesy and ethical professionalism that I would want for my wife were she still working. So far it hasn't failed me and it is unlikely to fail me until I retire.

I agree with everything you just said.

You ask me for proof of a claim I am not making. This is indeed fear for what "might be" and I think that is the position of everyone here on "my side" of the argument. And there shouldn't be anything wrong with that. You sound like being vigilant of what might become is bad. It just isn't. And in a civil environment this could be an interesting debate worth having.

You and I both know that if some person somewhere would tweet the name of Person X #metoo, that person will immediately live in hell. It's the imfamous cancel culture you must have heard about, that really is a thing. Personally, all I am doing is pushing back against the pitchforks and torches, abstaining completely from judging the accuser and the accused. That alone brings forth the Redeyes and the Beamers, spouting shit like "so you want a work environment where you can slap the secretary on the ass and use every woman as sex meat" (I am paraphrasing, but the straw man truly isn't any less ridiculous). No, nobody is saying that. We are saying "chill the fuck down, you know nothing, I know nothing, and if you don't chill down and this hysteria only grows, the power you give the accuser can become a corrupted thing depending on who wields it". Well, at least I am saying that.

Redeye, your turn. Tell me how I'd love to rape the first intern that gets hired.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jul 5, 2020, 07:26:
It's a funny thing. I have worked in my career field for 40 years now. Not once have I ever been accused of sexual harassment or inappropriate workplace behavior.

Either I am so incredibly lucky that I should go play the lottery right this very second...or I know how to comport myself professionally and ethically.

C'mon, I don't believe you. You must have been falsely accused dozens of times over the years! Come on and tell us the real story about how women run around scheming to falsely accuse men and get them fired!
/s, in case someone doesn't get it

drloser wrote on Jul 5, 2020, 06:16:

deqer wrote on Jul 4, 2020, 16:04:
Hey guys. Are you tired of reading this kind of stuff on your favourite gaming news

Thanks. I will replace the keywords by twitch and stream. (I hope nobody will insult me for not being interested by the streamers)