Ubisoft Investigating Misconduct

An Update from Ubisoft has word from the publisher on the actions they are taking following recent allegations of misconduct in the gaming industry, which included accusations against some of their employees. They offer apologies, say they will be announcing additional measures in the coming days, and for those who seem to think that there's a rush to judgment involved, they explain the steps they are taking to investigate:
Concerning recent allegations raised against certain Ubisoft team members: We want to start by apologizing to everyone affected by this – we are truly sorry. We are dedicated to creating an inclusive and safe environment for our teams, players, and communities. It is clear we have fallen short of this in the past. We must do better.

We have started by launching investigations into the allegations with the support of specialized external consultants. Based on the outcomes, we are fully committed to taking any and all appropriate disciplinary action. As these investigations are ongoing, we can't comment further. We are also auditing our existing policies, processes, and systems to understand where these have broken down, and to ensure we can better prevent, detect, and punish inappropriate behavior.

We will be sharing additional measures that we are putting in place with our teams in the coming days. Our goal is to foster an environment that our employees, partners, and communities can be proud of –one that reflects our values and that is safe for everyone.
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Jun 27, 2020, 09:02
Verno
 
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Jun 27, 2020, 09:02
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WaltC wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 17:10:
If you say, "You look nice today, Pam," or you ask a female "Would you maybe like to go for a beer after work?"--neither of those is sexual harassment. It's certainly not being "unprofessional." It's called "being social." I don't really care how a female might "interpret" something like that--it doesn't matter to me. Why? Because no man is a mind reader...;) I not only don't know what she is thinking, I can't know what she's thinking--unless, of course, I ask her a question or engage her in polite conversation. If she says, "Get lost buster, ya' bother me!" it's easy enough to take the hint.

Actually either of those is enough to get you into a discussion with HR these days at a modern office if someone complains about it. You wouldn't be terminated if it's a first offense but you would certainly have a chat. And frankly they would have a right to, the fact that some women have been patient with your awkward advances or ill thought out "compliments" doesn't change that. Their appearance is not for you to judge out loud in a work environment, how presumptuous of you to even think that's somehow appropriate. Frankly I don't think you work in an office because your notions of office dynamics seem straight out of a rom-com. And if you did you would have some inkling of how important yet fragile a career is and that some things are not worth risking.

And again there are plenty of ways to meet women that do not involve work. Women are literally everywhere, if you're so chatty and confident I'm sure you will have no issue meeting one outside of the office. Get a hobby or failing that get a dating app. I get it, social responsibility with dating is mostly on men to take chances but a lot has changed in the past 20 years. And work is no longer a smart or "safe" spot to do it for a variety of reasons. Stuff has changed, adapt.

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Quinn wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 18:17:
Beamer wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 17:12:
I love how half the time people get angry, imagining that this never happens to anyone "on the left," and then when it does, they gleefully say dumb things like "the left is eating itself!" I'd say Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK, etc., are all fine examples of this happening to people on the left.

How about we all just agree to be respectful to people? And if we aren't respectful to people we work with, we all agree that there will probably be consequences for our behavior?

Wtf are you talking about? How about replying with substance to WaltC's comment? It really wasn't a comment only aimed at Verno.

Looks to me like he was replying to Cutter's comment.
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Jun 26, 2020, 19:04
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Jun 26, 2020, 19:04
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Dev wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 17:59:
Beamer wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 17:12:
How about we all just agree to be respectful to people? And if we aren't respectful to people we work with, we all agree that there will probably be consequences for our behavior?
I agree, because this is a societal thing, not a right or left thing. Plenty of examples on both sides of terrible people including in politics.

I feel as if only one side gets angry at it being handled, but absolutely true that both sides are guilty of the actual harassment
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Jun 26, 2020, 18:35
 
Beamer wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 17:12:
I love how half the time people get angry, imagining that this never happens to anyone "on the left," and then when it does, they gleefully say dumb things like "the left is eating itself!" I'd say Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK, etc., are all fine examples of this happening to people on the left.

How about we all just agree to be respectful to people? And if we aren't respectful to people we work with, we all agree that there will probably be consequences for our behavior?
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Jun 26, 2020, 18:17
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Jun 26, 2020, 18:17
 
Beamer wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 17:12:
I love how half the time people get angry, imagining that this never happens to anyone "on the left," and then when it does, they gleefully say dumb things like "the left is eating itself!" I'd say Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK, etc., are all fine examples of this happening to people on the left.

How about we all just agree to be respectful to people? And if we aren't respectful to people we work with, we all agree that there will probably be consequences for our behavior?

Wtf are you talking about? How about replying with substance to WaltC's comment? It really wasn't a comment only aimed at Verno.

I'm baffled, disgusted and somehow still surprised how the same set of people hold such utterly fearsome convictions. I was an insecure guy about 15 years ago, and back then I would've probably on your side. I didn't know how to interact with women -- they were this scary, sacred thing -- but then I grew up; started to feel more comfortable around women and realized that they respect most of all in a man his candor. Today, when I see a colleague that actually looks prettier than normal in a certain outfit, or the light falls in a way that her pretty green eyes become noticeable to me, I say what's on my mind. Same with friends of mine who are female (or male, for that matter). You know what that is? It's being a person who is secure enough about themselves that they have no issues giving some of that to others; to lift them up by nice words about them. I don't know if that is somehow a Dutch thing, but people always react in a very pleasant way when I do it. It's being social and kind.

The problem with the beliefs you people hold is that if I would live in your fucked up regime, some person who has something against me for reason X or is so bitter and fucked up... could utterly destroy me for it.

That some of you would read the above and would think "Yeah, and good for you!"... I mean, fucking hell... I have no words. So thank you WaltC, Eirikhautha and Cutter (in his own way ;)) for making the points as well.

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Jun 26, 2020, 17:59
Dev
 
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Jun 26, 2020, 17:59
 Dev
 
Beamer wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 17:12:
How about we all just agree to be respectful to people? And if we aren't respectful to people we work with, we all agree that there will probably be consequences for our behavior?
I agree, because this is a societal thing, not a right or left thing. Plenty of examples on both sides of terrible people including in politics.
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Jun 26, 2020, 17:12
Beamer
 
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Jun 26, 2020, 17:12
 Beamer
 
I love how half the time people get angry, imagining that this never happens to anyone "on the left," and then when it does, they gleefully say dumb things like "the left is eating itself!" I'd say Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK, etc., are all fine examples of this happening to people on the left.

How about we all just agree to be respectful to people? And if we aren't respectful to people we work with, we all agree that there will probably be consequences for our behavior?
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Jun 26, 2020, 17:10
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Jun 26, 2020, 17:10
 
Verno wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 16:05:
WaltC wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 11:24:
Any game devs who are smart these days will employ security cameras in the work areas as a means of self-defense and as a means of getting to the facts. It's crazy--these days, in some places if you compliment a female or ask her out for coffee or a beer it sometimes brings on complaints of sexual harassment--it's not, of course. Visible cameras would chill most randy employees I would think...;) Also, they'd chill any female employees pondering making a mountain out of a molehill in search of $$$.

Maybe you shouldn't be complimenting a female based on their physical attributes at the workplace or asking them out with romantic intentions unless you're pretty damned sure it will be well received. Maybe you should treat work like work and your personal life like your personal life. The most I will ever do at work is ask a colleague to join a group of us at lunch and always in front of others so it can't be misinterpreted. Women in the workplace aren't seeking lawsuit settlements and a loss of employment, they are looking for a stable income and to be treated professionally. They don't want to be put in the awkward place of having to reject others. I also find if a women is interested, she will let you know and remove all doubt. Regardless, is it worth the risk? To me it isn't. Many of us have established careers at this point in our lives and aren't willing to risk them for the sake of potentially meeting a partner at work.

If dating at the office wasn't a big deal then we wouldn't be discussing this sort of thing right now, look at the news. There's a reason every serious office place has policies on this stuff now.

You can't go by "maybe". If you say, "You look nice today, Pam," or you ask a female "Would you maybe like to go for a beer after work?"--neither of those is sexual harassment. It's certainly not being "unprofessional." It's called "being social." I don't really care how a female might "interpret" something like that--it doesn't matter to me. Why? Because no man is a mind reader...;) I not only don't know what she is thinking, I can't know what she's thinking--unless, of course, I ask her a question or engage her in polite conversation. If she says, "Get lost buster, ya' bother me!" it's easy enough to take the hint. I find all I can do is make sure I intend no harassment and that I give no offense objectively--that's all I can do. That's all anyone can do. If a female is all messed up inside to the point where she thinks a man at work simply speaking to her is harassment, there is nothing I can do about that. There's nothing you can do about that. That's why I'd like to see cameras in these office environments! That way, there's no, "He said, she said," there's an objective record that doesn't lie. Let's be honest about it: harrassment is very easy to spot. It's not hidden and rarely is it subtle.

I never had a problem with women, thank goodness--at least, not any harrassment problems. I'm not shy around them--but again, the idea of trying to force myself on someone who doesn't want my attention is very unattractive. It's repellent, actually. I just forget her and move on to the next--or, rather, that's what I did when I was much younger. Never had the first complaint....! In my life, never had a woman "report me" for complimenting her--not even once...;) Turn it around. If a female you worked with said one morning--"That's a great looking outfit, Vern! Looks good on you!"--would you run to the boss to report her for sexual harrassment? Probably not, I would guess...;) You might even thank her for the compliment. That's the way healthy society works, most of the time.
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Jun 26, 2020, 17:09
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Jun 26, 2020, 17:09
 Dev
 
Eirikrautha wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 14:54:
Dev wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 13:48:
WaltC wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 11:24:
It's crazy--these days, in some places if you compliment a female or ask her out for coffee or a beer it sometimes brings on complaints of sexual harassment--it's not, of course.
Bzzz wrong. While that first part you say is correct, that last bit is not.

[url=https://www.dol.gov/agencies/oasam/centers-offices/civil-rights-center/internal/policies/workplace-harassment/2012#:~:text=Workplace%20harassment%20may%20also%20consist,as%20being%20fired%20or%20demoted).]Text for your Link[/url]

Harassment can include "commenting on physical attributes" which guess what, compliments can do.
ALSO, "subjectively abusive to the person affected"

Note that word subjective. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU DON'T CONSIDER IT HARASSMENT. What matters is if she does.

Which makes sense if you think about it. People who harass or abuse frequently don't consider what they do to be harassment or abuse.

From the document, which you obviously didn't even read:

Second, the conduct must be:

- subjectively abusive to the person affected; and
- objectively severe and pervasive enough to create a work environment that a reasonable person would find hostile or abusive.

Saying "That dress really looks nice on you" or "You have beautiful brown eyes" is not harassment, unless it is repeated frequently, becomes vulgar or offensive in nature, or the subject asks you to stop. I have to take a harassment training every year at work, and the training is very clear that unwanted compliments are not harassment unless they continue after being told to stop or become vulgar or suggestive in nature. Harassment requires either a single, extreme event or a continuous pattern of unwanted attention. A handful of compliments (especially when no objection is raised) is black letter not harassment.

No, I did look briefly look at the rest of the document. I was trying to make a particular point in response to a particular incorrect phrase in a comment here. The rest, while adding some additional requirements to succeed in various lawsuits, wasn't needed to disprove what he said.
Also, that's the department of labor federal guidelines. States or localities may have differing or more restrictive laws. Plus an HR department in an at will state could theoretically fire someone after a single instance.

The point is, one should NOT assume just because they don't think something is harassment/abuse, it isn't harassment/abuse period.
Most guys who think it's ok to do that sorta thing do it repeatedly anyway, and fit all of those guidelines. It's seldom a one time thing. And they often keep pushing past further and further. Plenty of examples out there.

And if it's a one time thing by someone who honestly didn't know it was a problem? And someone says "hey that's not ok" and he stops doing it? That's a victory. If behavior was called out more frequently by society, we'd have less of it. Instead of just being quiet when we see it.

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Jun 26, 2020, 16:42
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I'll be laughing my ass off the day the court of public opinion hangs some of you looney lefty's out to dry based on nothing else than rumor and innuendo. That or some pissed off co-worker you slighted who wants to destroy your life and now can do that all too easily. Or maybe some other woke snowflake who feels you're not enough of a SJW and wants to teach you a lesson. And when your life is in ruins and your sitting in prison wondering how it all happened you can think back to how you were part of the mob that made it happen.


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Jun 26, 2020, 16:27
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I figured it was one of the owner/family members. I sort of hoped it would get rid of which ever ceo is keeping ubi stuck in repeat game hell.
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Re: Ubisoft Investigating Misconduct
Jun 26, 2020, 16:05
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Jun 26, 2020, 16:05
 Verno
 
WaltC wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 11:24:
Any game devs who are smart these days will employ security cameras in the work areas as a means of self-defense and as a means of getting to the facts. It's crazy--these days, in some places if you compliment a female or ask her out for coffee or a beer it sometimes brings on complaints of sexual harassment--it's not, of course. Visible cameras would chill most randy employees I would think...;) Also, they'd chill any female employees pondering making a mountain out of a molehill in search of $$$.

Maybe you shouldn't be complimenting a female based on their physical attributes at the workplace or asking them out with romantic intentions unless you're pretty damned sure it will be well received. Maybe you should treat work like work and your personal life like your personal life. The most I will ever do at work is ask a colleague to join a group of us at lunch and always in front of others so it can't be misinterpreted. Women in the workplace aren't seeking lawsuit settlements and a loss of employment, they are looking for a stable income and to be treated professionally. They don't want to be put in the awkward place of having to reject others. I also find if a women is interested, she will let you know and remove all doubt. Regardless, is it worth the risk? To me it isn't. Many of us have established careers at this point in our lives and aren't willing to risk them for the sake of potentially meeting a partner at work.

If dating at the office wasn't a big deal then we wouldn't be discussing this sort of thing right now, look at the news. There's a reason every serious office place has policies on this stuff now.
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Jun 26, 2020, 16:00
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Eirikrautha wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 15:01:
Beamer wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 11:46:
Any devs who are smart these days won't harass coworkers. He certainly won't compliment her appearance or anything physical, because that's creepy as hell, and he won't ask her out, because there will ultimately end up being some kind of power dynamic there, even if just over time, and because no one feels comfortable having to work day in and day out with someone that they rejected. Or dated and then broke up with. Smart people know that apps are where you get laid, and dating in the workplace is a disaster you shouldn't want to deal with, because who in their right mind wants to combine work and pleasure?

https://www.bustle.com/p/where-people-are-actually-meeting-their-partners-today-45616

Work is second highest (at ~ 15%) in that survey. It always has been a normal place to meet people. The fact that some people can't imagine a relationship with a coworker that isn't creepy or abusive says more about them than it does anything else. I've long believed that the reason most woke women report high levels of abuse and creepy behavior among the men they know is because it is true. The men they hang out with probably are creeps and abusers. What better place to hide your abusive tendencies than by trumpeting how woke and "for women" you are? It's like the evangelical who seems obsessed with how awful being gay is...

So, to you, the only way to not be a creep is to be a creep?

Most relationships at work don't start with a blind asking out. And that number is falling dramatically. I don't know a single couple that's met at work. For one, if you're different levels, there's a power imbalance, and that's bad. For another, if you break up, you still see them daily, and that's not worth the risk.

I'd wager very few of those 15% came from white collar jobs. People may have gone to work to meet people 40 years ago. Today, they go to work to work. It's plenty easy to meet women in places where people want to be hit on. Work just isn't one of those, Archie Bunker.
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Beamer wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 11:46:
Any devs who are smart these days won't harass coworkers. He certainly won't compliment her appearance or anything physical, because that's creepy as hell, and he won't ask her out, because there will ultimately end up being some kind of power dynamic there, even if just over time, and because no one feels comfortable having to work day in and day out with someone that they rejected. Or dated and then broke up with. Smart people know that apps are where you get laid, and dating in the workplace is a disaster you shouldn't want to deal with, because who in their right mind wants to combine work and pleasure?

https://www.bustle.com/p/where-people-are-actually-meeting-their-partners-today-45616

Work is second highest (at ~ 15%) in that survey. It always has been a normal place to meet people. The fact that some people can't imagine a relationship with a coworker that isn't creepy or abusive says more about them than it does anything else. I've long believed that the reason most woke women report high levels of abuse and creepy behavior among the men they know is because it is true. The men they hang out with probably are creeps and abusers. What better place to hide your abusive tendencies than by trumpeting how woke and "for women" you are? It's like the evangelical who seems obsessed with how awful being gay is...
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Dev wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 13:48:
WaltC wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 11:24:
It's crazy--these days, in some places if you compliment a female or ask her out for coffee or a beer it sometimes brings on complaints of sexual harassment--it's not, of course.
Bzzz wrong. While that first part you say is correct, that last bit is not.

[url=https://www.dol.gov/agencies/oasam/centers-offices/civil-rights-center/internal/policies/workplace-harassment/2012#:~:text=Workplace%20harassment%20may%20also%20consist,as%20being%20fired%20or%20demoted).]Text for your Link[/url]

Harassment can include "commenting on physical attributes" which guess what, compliments can do.
ALSO, "subjectively abusive to the person affected"

Note that word subjective. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU DON'T CONSIDER IT HARASSMENT. What matters is if she does.

Which makes sense if you think about it. People who harass or abuse frequently don't consider what they do to be harassment or abuse.
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Dev wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 13:48:
WaltC wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 11:24:
It's crazy--these days, in some places if you compliment a female or ask her out for coffee or a beer it sometimes brings on complaints of sexual harassment--it's not, of course.
Bzzz wrong. While that first part you say is correct, that last bit is not.

[url=https://www.dol.gov/agencies/oasam/centers-offices/civil-rights-center/internal/policies/workplace-harassment/2012#:~:text=Workplace%20harassment%20may%20also%20consist,as%20being%20fired%20or%20demoted).]Text for your Link[/url]

Harassment can include "commenting on physical attributes" which guess what, compliments can do.
ALSO, "subjectively abusive to the person affected"

Note that word subjective. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU DON'T CONSIDER IT HARASSMENT. What matters is if she does.

Which makes sense if you think about it. People who harass or abuse frequently don't consider what they do to be harassment or abuse.

From the document, which you obviously didn't even read:

Second, the conduct must be:

- subjectively abusive to the person affected; and
- objectively severe and pervasive enough to create a work environment that a reasonable person would find hostile or abusive.

Saying "That dress really looks nice on you" or "You have beautiful brown eyes" is not harassment, unless it is repeated frequently, becomes vulgar or offensive in nature, or the subject asks you to stop. I have to take a harassment training every year at work, and the training is very clear that unwanted compliments are not harassment unless they continue after being told to stop or become vulgar or suggestive in nature. Harassment requires either a single, extreme event or a continuous pattern of unwanted attention. A handful of compliments (especially when no objection is raised) is black letter not harassment.
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And Devs smart enough just wont hire women in the work place anymore. Problem solved!
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 Dev
 
WaltC wrote on Jun 26, 2020, 11:24:
It's crazy--these days, in some places if you compliment a female or ask her out for coffee or a beer it sometimes brings on complaints of sexual harassment--it's not, of course.
Bzzz wrong. While that first part you say is correct, that last bit is not.

[url=https://www.dol.gov/agencies/oasam/centers-offices/civil-rights-center/internal/policies/workplace-harassment/2012#:~:text=Workplace%20harassment%20may%20also%20consist,as%20being%20fired%20or%20demoted).]Text for your Link[/url]

Harassment can include "commenting on physical attributes" which guess what, compliments can do.
ALSO, "subjectively abusive to the person affected"

Note that word subjective. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU DON'T CONSIDER IT HARASSMENT. What matters is if she does.

Which makes sense if you think about it. People who harass or abuse frequently don't consider what they do to be harassment or abuse.

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