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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 24, 2020, 01:02
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Re: Evening Metaverse Jun 24, 2020, 01:02
Jun 24, 2020, 01:02
 
Fascism is not exclusive to the far right in the 20th century it was practiced mostly by the socialist/communist regimes.
Merriam Webster defines it as "a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

What is considered right/far right in the US is quite different than that. The US right values individual rights over state rights in most scenarios (Aka Classical Liberalism). The US right however does believe in an orderly society and typically uses societal pressures to maintain order. That being said the US right wing and European right wing are drastically different things. The US right would consider the Germans & Russians in WW2 as far left because of the socialist/communists governments and from the US point of view both Ideologies are fascist because they stomp on the individuals natural god given rights. National pride is not a bad thing if handled correctly. But when bad actors add race to it it becomes an issue.

In response to Simon Says
Is antifa far right? NO, quite the contrary. NO, Its far left which has killed nearly twice as many people as the European far right "Which from a US point of view is still far left" in the 20th century
-Is antifa authoritarian ultranationalist? NO, quite the contrary, it's anarchic/libertarian and if anything, anti-nationalist. I agree here except on the libertarian part typical libertarian ideology does not try to force people into categories. They just want to be left alone antifa is forcing a Marxist world view and you have to fall in line or else
-Is antifa dictatorial? NO, it's decentralized, there's no leader. WRONG!!! The IDEOLOGY demands obedience to undefined fluid rules that in and of itself is dictatorial
-Is antifa forcibly suppressing all opposition? Here's a maybe, but considering their "opposition" is fascism, it's not ALL opposition ( as was the case in fascist regimes ). So all things considered in context. NO. Wrong again calling something you don't agree with fascism does not make it fascism. They are a Marxist group that wants power to silence dissenters.
-Is antifa advocating for a strong regimentation of society and the economy? Considering their decentralized nature and that such regimentation has to come from a highly authoritarian centralized power, we have another NO. It would be against their anarchic/libertarian nature. Wrong again. They are Marxists which by definition advocates for a strong regimentation of society and the economy

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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 21, 2020, 03:56
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Re: Evening Metaverse Jun 21, 2020, 03:56
Jun 21, 2020, 03:56
 
Simon Says wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 12:32:

Someone didn't seem to notice, perhaps because he doesn't live outside the very strong US political echo chamber bubble, that the USA's Overton window has shifted massively to the right in the last decades to the point that social democrat policies considered a given and centrist on the whole globe are considered "far left" in the USA.

Someone also didn't seem to notice that liberals are only "left" as far as CULTURAL issues are concerned ( so called identity politics, but the left/right spectrum is about economics, not culture, so "left" indeed ), but it's only paying lip service to the progressive "left" ( which is really the rest of the world's center ) in order to con them for votes, while being hardcore capitalists/corporatists when ECONOMIC issues are concerned and sit smack dab in the center of the right between the real center and the far right and have only been going further and further right on ecomonic issues since Bill "Cigar" Clinton. When actual economic policies are concerned, they always favor their capitalist/corporate/banksters/rich donors and continue to screw the working poor, the progressive "left" and overall citizenship every chance they get.

#RealityCheck

It's not just economics. Foreign Policy has been another place where there is usually very little difference between the parties, although that has shifted a bit under Trump.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 21, 2020, 03:51
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Re: Evening Metaverse Jun 21, 2020, 03:51
Jun 21, 2020, 03:51
 
Muscular Beaver wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 13:46:
As for the topic:
Someone today made something very obvious to me. He explained how easy it would be for Trump to defeat Twitter overnight by simply not using it anymore and instead use that other alternative that isnt censoring speech.
Not only would all his fans need to come there, but also his enemies, incl. the media and his haters. That would mean far less traffic on Twitter and that alternative would turn into a massive business overnight too, that could easily go toe to toe with Twitter. Monopoly gone in one night.
Kinda funny that he doesnt do that. Or maybe he still will.

Trump needs Twitter far more than Twitter needs Trump. Twitter without Trump is still a $16B company with billions of users. That's not going to change just because Trump leaves.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 16:58
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Re: Evening Metaverse Jun 20, 2020, 16:58
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Muscular Beaver wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 13:46:
Only problem is that youre not antifascistic if you act like fascists yourself and even label people who arent your enemies as your enemies, just because you need enemies to exist.

That's literally the only reason why Trump has ever mentioned antifa - he needs enemies to exist and he wants you to think that people who speak out against him are real fascists. They're not, he is.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 14:45
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Re: Evening Metaverse Jun 20, 2020, 14:45
Jun 20, 2020, 14:45
 
Muscular Beaver wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 13:46:
Only problem is that youre not antifascistic if you act like fascists yourself and even label people who arent your enemies as your enemies, just because you need enemies to exist.

Let's verify if antifa's actions and inherent characteristics fit the definition of Fascism:

"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."

-Is antifa far right? NO, quite the contrary.
-Is antifa authoritarian ultranationalist? NO, quite the contrary, it's anarchic/libertarian and if anything, anti-nationalist.
-Is antifa dictatorial? NO, it's decentralized, there's no leader.
-Is antifa forcibly suppressing all opposition? Here's a maybe, but considering their "opposition" is fascism, it's not ALL opposition ( as was the case in fascist regimes ). So all things considered in context. NO.
-Is antifa advocating for a strong regimentation of society and the economy? Considering their decentralized nature and that such regimentation has to come from a highly authoritarian centralized power, we have another NO. It would be against their anarchic/libertarian nature.

So after fact checking your claim by breaking down actual behavior and the checklist necessary to be labeled "acting like a fascist" and that only 1 out of 5 criterias was very slightly possible, but soon proven to be a logically fallacious stretch ( and let's be honest, even if it were a yes, 1 out of 5 doesn't make something fit a definition, it'd be preposterous to claim that ) we come to the conclusion that:

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Antifa is in fact not acting like fascists.
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WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT?
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 14:06
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Re: Evening Metaverse Jun 20, 2020, 14:06
Jun 20, 2020, 14:06
 
Simon Says wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 12:32:
Cutter wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 11:50:
Acleacius wrote on Jun 19, 2020, 22:46:
I would love to see a breakdown examples of what "so far left" looks like.

You don't think there's left-wing extremism? Eco-terrorists, bombers like the Weather Underground, Antifa, communist insurrections, et al. there's no shortage of those on the far left who readily employ violence because they feel that they're right and everyone else is wrong.

Actual evidence points to much more violence coming from the right wing than the left one, but don't let evidence prevent you from clinging to confirmation bias...

As for calling Antifa "extremists", I guess the USA and allies during WW2 were "extremists anti fascists". And there's that old german joke: "If you are anti antifa, what are you?" Answer is of course "fascist".

Timmeh wrote on Jun 19, 2020, 22:17:
They are NOT right wing extremists. You people have all gone so far left that the classic middle looks far right.

Honestly... you are all insane.

Someone didn't seem to notice, perhaps because he doesn't live outside the very strong US political echo chamber bubble, that the USA's Overton window has shifted massively to the right in the last decades to the point that social democrat policies considered a given and centrist on the whole globe are considered "far left" in the USA.

Someone also didn't seem to notice that liberals are only "left" as far as CULTURAL issues are concerned ( so called identity politics ), but it's only paying lip service to the progressive "left" ( which is really the rest of the world's center ) in order to con them for votes, while being hardcore capitalists/corporatists when ECOMONIC issues are concerned and sit smack dab in the center of the right between the real center and the far right and have only been going further and further right on ecomonic issues since Bill "Cigar" Clinton. When actual economic policies are concerned, they always favor their capitalist/corporate/banksters/rich donors and continue to screw the working poor, the progressive "left" and overall citizenship every chance they get.

#RealityCheck
Thanks for that tiny dose of reality.
Several here definitely need it.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 13:46
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Re: Evening Metaverse Jun 20, 2020, 13:46
Jun 20, 2020, 13:46
 
Only problem is that youre not antifascistic if you act like fascists yourself and even label people who arent your enemies as your enemies, just because you need enemies to exist.
We Germans know AntiFa far longer than you Americans do. They always were violent extremists who went on destructive rampages in cities regularly. No wonder, they were born as the SA of the communists in the 1920s.
#RealityCheckIndeed
Now you got that sickness too (funny how quickly that worked, also funny how quickly other countries were infected too all of the sudden). But some even embracing it is kinda hilarious to see.

As for the topic:
Someone today made something very obvious to me. He explained how easy it would be for Trump to defeat Twitter overnight by simply not using it anymore and instead use that other alternative that isnt censoring speech.
Not only would all his fans need to come there, but also his enemies, incl. the media and his haters. That would mean far less traffic on Twitter and that alternative would turn into a massive business overnight too, that could easily go toe to toe with Twitter. Monopoly gone in one night.
Kinda funny that he doesnt do that. Or maybe he still will.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 12:32
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Re: Evening Metaverse Jun 20, 2020, 12:32
Jun 20, 2020, 12:32
 
Cutter wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 11:50:
Acleacius wrote on Jun 19, 2020, 22:46:
I would love to see a breakdown examples of what "so far left" looks like.

You don't think there's left-wing extremism? Eco-terrorists, bombers like the Weather Underground, Antifa, communist insurrections, et al. there's no shortage of those on the far left who readily employ violence because they feel that they're right and everyone else is wrong.

Actual evidence points to much more violence coming from the right wing than the left one, but don't let evidence prevent you from clinging to confirmation bias...

As for calling Antifa "extremists", I guess the USA and allies during WW2 were "extremists anti fascists". And there's that old german joke: "If you are anti antifa, what are you?" Answer is of course "fascist".

Timmeh wrote on Jun 19, 2020, 22:17:
They are NOT right wing extremists. You people have all gone so far left that the classic middle looks far right.

Honestly... you are all insane.

Someone didn't seem to notice, perhaps because he doesn't live outside the very strong US political echo chamber bubble, that the USA's Overton window has shifted massively to the right in the last decades to the point that social democrat policies considered a given and centrist on the whole globe are considered "far left" in the USA.

Someone also didn't seem to notice that liberals are only "left" as far as CULTURAL issues are concerned ( so called identity politics, but the left/right spectrum is about economics, not culture, so "left" indeed ), but it's only paying lip service to the progressive "left" ( which is really the rest of the world's center ) in order to con them for votes, while being hardcore capitalists/corporatists when ECOMONIC issues are concerned and sit smack dab in the center of the right between the real center and the far right and have only been going further and further right on ecomonic issues since Bill "Cigar" Clinton. When actual economic policies are concerned, they always favor their capitalist/corporate/banksters/rich donors and continue to screw the working poor, the progressive "left" and overall citizenship every chance they get.

#RealityCheck

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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 11:50
Cutter
 
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Re: Evening Metaverse Jun 20, 2020, 11:50
Jun 20, 2020, 11:50
 Cutter
 
Acleacius wrote on Jun 19, 2020, 22:46:
Timmeh wrote on Jun 19, 2020, 22:17:
Cutter wrote on Jun 19, 2020, 19:09:
I don't understand why these right-wing extremists don't start their own social media platform. Then they have their echo chamber and the libs have theirs. No more cries of 'Censorship!'


They are NOT right wing extremists. You people have all gone so far left that the classic middle looks far right.

Honestly... you are all insane.
I'm pretty sure, calling for and acting on, violent racial attacks is far right extremism.

I would love to see a breakdown examples of what "so far left" looks like. Do you mean we have all gone full Jesus and Buddha? We've only got one planet and since everyone in this forum has been alive, it's had catastrophic damage done to air, water and land. Thinking all people should be free and equal, and that racism and sexism are actual mental illnesses, medically and scientifically proven back in about 1978.

You don't think there's left-wing extremism? Eco-terrorists, bombers like the Weather Underground, Antifa, communist insurrections, et al. there's no shortage of those on the far left who readily employ violence because they feel that they're right and everyone else is wrong. Even Jesus rampaged in the Temple and threatened people. John the Baptist said "Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." I wouldn't hold Christianity up as left-wing. God is a merciless killing machine.

And no we're not all equal, not even close. Believing we are is an actual delusion that represents real mental illness. Just because we're not doesn't mean better or worse, but no we most certainly aren't all equal. Or maybe you'd rather have a semi-retarded janitor perform neurosurgery on you?

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Class: Communism!
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 10:51
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Re: Evening Metaverse Jun 20, 2020, 10:51
Jun 20, 2020, 10:51
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HorrorScope wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 10:10:
Timmeh wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 01:12:
I figured it out... she must have aid some harsh stuff about Muslims and the truth about how they treat women... aaah..

see that's part of the insanity of the left. they love them some Communism, some Marxism and some extremist Islamic state goodness. But they hate the founding fathers, free market capitalism, free speech, private property etc..... they were for women's rights but not anymore.. biological women don't exist to the left anymore... paving the way for trans leftists to take over all formerly women's sports.

That is all in your head, that is all how you want them to be in your mind.

I wonder when transphobia becomes blatant and uncivil enough for bans here.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 10:27
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Jun 20, 2020, 10:27
 
Timmeh wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 01:12:
paving the way for trans leftists to take over all formerly women's sports.

Which, according to those worried about Communist boogiemen in 2020, are? Childbearing and menstruation? I think those are safe.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 10:10
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Jun 20, 2020, 10:10
 
Timmeh wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 01:12:
I figured it out... she must have aid some harsh stuff about Muslims and the truth about how they treat women... aaah..

see that's part of the insanity of the left. they love them some Communism, some Marxism and some extremist Islamic state goodness. But they hate the founding fathers, free market capitalism, free speech, private property etc..... they were for women's rights but not anymore.. biological women don't exist to the left anymore... paving the way for trans leftists to take over all formerly women's sports.

That is all in your head, that is all how you want them to be in your mind.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 10:07
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Jun 20, 2020, 10:07
 
Timmeh wrote on Jun 19, 2020, 22:17:
Cutter wrote on Jun 19, 2020, 19:09:
I don't understand why these right-wing extremists don't start their own social media platform. Then they have their echo chamber and the libs have theirs. No more cries of 'Censorship!'


They are NOT right wing extremists. You people have all gone so far left that the classic middle looks far right.

Honestly... you are all insane.

That's funny when the rest of the western world chimes in and say our left is more like their right. I get it you don't like it so you want to make it sound worse.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 09:57
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Jun 20, 2020, 09:57
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ududy wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 02:07:
I don't know this woman and am not familiar with her tweets, but I have seen promotion of hate and calls for violence come both from left and right wing extremists. I wonder if Twitter's standards for abuse are the same for both.

Show us someone prominent on the left. Not some dink with 5 followers, but someone prominent like Milo, or Alex Jones, or Laura Loomer, or Katie Hopkins - all who worked for or ran large media outlets and had millions of followers.

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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 09:55
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Jun 20, 2020, 09:55
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Satanski wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 06:21:
Never heard of her, but since i hate political correctness, i'll advertise her posts, blog or whatever i can find. People shouldn't be silenced, whatever they want to say

This doesn't strike you as dumb? What if she said that we need another 9/11 and that Americans need to die for there to be justice?

Would you endorse her then? Probably not. So maybe find out who someone is before you say she was unjustly silenced and therefore you're on her side.

My hypothetical isn't far off. She's perhaps most famous for her claims that we need a "final solution" to Muslims worldwide. We all know that term. We all know what she meant.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 09:09
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Jun 20, 2020, 09:09
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 08:08:
Timmeh wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 01:12:
removed

^ This a solid example of one of the many reasons I am emigrating.
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Canadians among most active in online right-wing extremism

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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 08:08
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Jun 20, 2020, 08:08
 
Timmeh wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 01:12:
I figured it out... she must have aid some harsh stuff about Muslims and the truth about how they treat women... aaah..

see that's part of the insanity of the left. they love them some Communism, some Marxism and some extremist Islamic state goodness. But they hate the founding fathers, free market capitalism, free speech, private property etc..... they were for women's rights but not anymore.. biological women don't exist to the left anymore... paving the way for trans leftists to take over all formerly women's sports.

^ This a solid example of one of the many reasons I am emigrating.
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 06:23
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Re: Evening Metaverse Jun 20, 2020, 06:23
Jun 20, 2020, 06:23
 
I get the feeling you didn't really check the balance of twitter's policy enforcement, just jumped on an opportunity to bash the other side. If there's any body objectively collecting and analyzing the relevant data, I'd be happy to know about it, because I'm tired of partisan demagogy.

Edit: This in response to RedEye9's last comment: "Twitter removes comments equally from both the left and the right.
Difference being the left sucks it up while the right cries like a beatch.
You only need look at the orange toddler for proof of that
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 06:21
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Re: Evening Metaverse Jun 20, 2020, 06:21
Jun 20, 2020, 06:21
 
Never heard of her, but since i hate political correctness, i'll advertise her posts, blog or whatever i can find. People shouldn't be silenced, whatever they want to say
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Re: Evening Metaverse
Jun 20, 2020, 02:17
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Jun 20, 2020, 02:17
 
ududy wrote on Jun 20, 2020, 02:07:
I don't know this woman and am not familiar with her tweets, but I have seen promotion of hate and calls for violence come both from left and right wing extremists. I wonder if Twitter's standards for abuse are the same for both.
Twitter removes comments equally from both the left and the right.
Difference being the left sucks it up while the right cries like a beatch.
You only need look at the orange toddler for proof of that.
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