Verno wrote on Jun 5, 2020, 09:44:
So yeah this one is not looking good based on the previews. It looks like they outsourced much of the design even. Gameplay looks simplistic and even the design UI elements were clearly done by different teams with totally disparate unit cards vs interface UI. The unit balance and bizarre half step into mythology is embarrassing. It's clear that they are putting this out to die on the EGS and are just taking the fat sack of cash. I highly doubt my earlier assumption of more DLC too. Apparently DLC isn't selling very well on the EGS, several devs have reneged or are backing out after a few high profile projects basically spent their exclusivity paycheck on developing DLC and got burned. I would be surprised if they did anything else after the Amazon DLC for this and that was clearly lopped off to sell.

I really love Total War games but this is looking like a B effort at best. Real shame.

Yeah I am always skeptical when preview write ups start with "it's not even close to full-scale Total War titles" and "lack of focus" is imo even weirder. Why not go full mythological at least? Or full realistic? This half-half approach is definitely making me not consider buying it.. but free is free.

Will I get any DLC for it? Haha, no. I don't buy DLC on EGS. When EGS sells me a game for 0 monies then that is exactly as much personal binding I have to it. But that's coming from someone with 900+ hours in TW2 and 400+ in TW1...

So yeah this one is not looking good based on the previews. It looks like they outsourced much of the design even. Gameplay looks simplistic and even the design UI elements were clearly done by different teams with totally disparate unit cards vs interface UI. The unit balance and bizarre half step into mythology is embarrassing. It's clear that they are putting this out to die on the EGS and are just taking the fat sack of cash. I highly doubt my earlier assumption of more DLC too. Apparently DLC isn't selling very well on the EGS, several devs have reneged or are backing out after a few high profile projects basically spent their exclusivity paycheck on developing DLC and got burned. I would be surprised if they did anything else after the Amazon DLC for this and that was clearly lopped off to sell.

I really love Total War games but this is looking like a B effort at best. Real shame.

Ozmodan wrote on Jun 2, 2020, 23:43:
I have several of the total war series games, they seem to get worse every year. I am not sure what the attraction is now, especially since you have to buy a bunch of DLC with each game.
Epic can have them, for a strategy game there mechanics are getting really old.

Unfortunately I'm with you on this (no offense, I mean we're just missing out on some games people love ) I can't get into the TW games. I've tried several, and... I'd just rather play other RTS games every time. Units are too slow, battles are too... inactive? I don't know, I've bounced off the three I've tried. I want simultaneously way more micro, and more macro than I get from TW games.

I have several of the total war series games, they seem to get worse every year. I am not sure what the attraction is now, especially since you have to buy a bunch of DLC with each game.
Epic can have them, for a strategy game there mechanics are getting really old.

I wonder if the already announced Linux version will come to epic.....

hahahahaaha of course not

I must say the cynic in me is looking at the free on release and thinking have they just realised the game is shit and want guaranteed money?

jdreyer wrote on Jun 2, 2020, 16:04:

Verno wrote on Jun 2, 2020, 11:01:

Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jun 2, 2020, 10:48:
I've purchased every DLC for Warhammer 1 and Warhammer 2.. I've purchased almost no DLCs for any other total war game...

I think warhammer 1 & 2 are unique in that the factions are all very different instead of the same archers in every army.

Same here. I think they are going to go more mythical with this one which creates more opportunity to do Warhammer 2 style DLC though.

Like chimera and minotaur and stuff? That would be cool.

homer's illiad was full of olympian gods intervening in the war, though as far as i know there weren't any monsters as such. still, would be pretty awesome to have athena vs apollo striding across the battlefield, stomping on little soldiers with every thunderous step.

I don't know about the newer ones, but I do know the older TW titles have some really stand out mods.

Won' it hurt DLC sales if the core fanbase knows there won't be modding support for their version? Seems like it would, I feel like the Total War modding commmunity is pretty expansive, but maybe modding isn't as make or break for fans of that series as it for games like Civ or TES. I wouldn't know.

jamiedj99 wrote on Jun 2, 2020, 13:50:
up until epic almost all games were exclusive to steam and all the fight and cry babies that got there gamestop games box with a steam slip and code inside never did a thing to stop it. and in the end just accepted there fate and are now cry babies fan boys complaining about epic. I can totally see this going the same way after all they were all weak in the mind before and nothing has really changed now.

That was due to Steam's own success and popularity vs back deals being made. From what I can tell publishers always went the Steam route because it made sense, vs Epic's, 'Pssst.. hey... I got this big bag of money, you just gotta do me a favor.".

Verno wrote on Jun 2, 2020, 11:01:

Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jun 2, 2020, 10:48:
I've purchased every DLC for Warhammer 1 and Warhammer 2.. I've purchased almost no DLCs for any other total war game...

I think warhammer 1 & 2 are unique in that the factions are all very different instead of the same archers in every army.

Same here. I think they are going to go more mythical with this one which creates more opportunity to do Warhammer 2 style DLC though.

Like chimera and minotaur and stuff? That would be cool.

"We currently have no plans for any future games to be Epic exclusives. We do want to be more platform agnostic moving forward, and we would like future games to be available on the Epic Games Store, but that’s in addition to being available on other platforms such as Steam."

If you scroll further down on their feed, you'll see:

"In the meantime, we're glad to take that sweet, sweet cash from Epic so we all can run out and buy ourselves Ferraris."

It's a smart move by CA or SEGA, not sure who initiated it. People are kinda on the fringe for this game. Not enough fantasy for some, too much fantasy for others. And there is the issue that the whole CONFLICT shown is PROBABLY fantasy, basically your target audience won't touch it without a trial. And giving your fans the chance to trial it basically the full game on EGS.. that is one hell of a sales strategy. Given they support (successful) games for 3-10 years.

roguebanshee wrote on Jun 2, 2020, 14:07:
If you read the FAQ and blog (linked in the FAQ) you'll learn about some of their plans, which do include a launch day DLC (Amazon faction).

Hmm ok thanks, I'll check it out.

From their FAQ:

WILL DENUVO OR SIMILAR DIGITAL RIGHTS MANAGEMENT (DRM) SOFTWARE BE IMPLEMENTED VIA THE EPIC GAMES STORE?

Yes, we are planning on using Denuvo for DRM purposes.


WILL MODDING BE SUPPORTED ON EPIC?
Currently, the Epic Games Store does not support mods. However, it is on Epic’s roadmap.

Also no multiplayer cross-platform play on PC. A modern TW game with no mods is a big bummer and likewise I actually enjoy playing the MP once in awhile so no cross-play seems like a weird decision. I guess maybe I'll just play a few campaigns and then pick it up later on Steam.

Verno wrote on Jun 2, 2020, 10:36:
That is kind of nuts and a decent get for EGS.

They must have huge DLC plans for this. After the success of Warhammer 2 I can't blame them, they are one of the few companies who get DLC right.

Yeah, that was my first thought: This game must have a ton of DLC

Verno wrote on Jun 2, 2020, 10:36:
They must have huge DLC plans for this.

If you read the FAQ and blog (linked in the FAQ) you'll learn about some of their plans, which do include a launch day DLC (Amazon faction).

RogueSix wrote on Jun 2, 2020, 12:43:

Cutter wrote on Jun 2, 2020, 11:48:
More platform agnostic? More like the ROI isn't nearly what they thought it would be with exclusives so they're dumping them finally.

You mean they (Creative Assembly) are dumping to be Steam exclusive? Yeah. It looks like it. Because that quote was from a tweet by Creative Assembly.

Epic will certainly keep trucking with their exclusives. The coffers must be very well filled thanks to corona virus lockdown Fortnite spending. That's probably why they are having that 24h freebie in the first place.

up until epic almost all games were exclusive to steam and all the fight and cry babies that got there gamestop games box with a steam slip and code inside never did a thing to stop it. and in the end just accepted there fate and are now cry babies fan boys complaining about epic. I can totally see this going the same way after all they were all weak in the mind before and nothing has really changed now.

Cutter wrote on Jun 2, 2020, 11:48:
More platform agnostic? More like the ROI isn't nearly what they thought it would be with exclusives so they're dumping them finally.

You mean they (Creative Assembly) are dumping to be Steam exclusive? Yeah. It looks like it. Because that quote was from a tweet by Creative Assembly.

Epic will certainly keep trucking with their exclusives. The coffers must be very well filled thanks to corona virus lockdown Fortnite spending. That's probably why they are having that 24h freebie in the first place.

I am just thinking of the cost of the DLC or micro transaction to make this game free on release

More platform agnostic? More like the ROI isn't nearly what they thought it would be with exclusives so they're dumping them finally.

TW serie's been a trashy money grab for a while. I think the last ones that weren't half bad were Rome 1 / Medieval 2. So meh... I guess it found the perfect home.