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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 21:05
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 21:05
May 20, 2020, 21:05
 
Rumored leaks of the Zen 3 desktop chips is more than 17% IPC increase over Zen 2... Which basically would decimate anything Intel has currently in gaming, including this latest lineup.
Get your games from GOG DAMMIT!
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 20:30
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 20:30
May 20, 2020, 20:30
 
Next...
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 19:14
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 19:14
May 20, 2020, 19:14
 
bigspender wrote on May 20, 2020, 17:19:
So once again Intel is slightly faster than AMD, and once again AMD will simply drop the price a little to make them far better value CPUs

Everyone wins basically (customers). If you want value, go with AMD, if you want all speed money can buy, go Intel.
In single threaded, low resolution gaming, yes. I have been GPU bound ever since I've been gaming at 4k. Gaming plays zero in my CPU processing criteria. All next gen gaming consoles will be operating at 4k. Why are PC gamers still obsessed with ridiculously high framerates at 1080p? Save the money on one of these absurd CPUs and get the best GPU your money can buy.
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 19:06
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 19:06
May 20, 2020, 19:06
 
Intel is the unequivocal king of gaming at 1080p. Bravo Intel.
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 17:29
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 17:29
May 20, 2020, 17:29
 
bigspender wrote on May 20, 2020, 17:19:
So once again Intel is slightly faster than AMD, and once again AMD will simply drop the price a little to make them far better value CPUs

Everyone wins basically (customers). If you want value, go with AMD, if you want all speed money can buy, go Intel.

I doubt they will, they're selling like hot cakes.
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 17:19
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 17:19
May 20, 2020, 17:19
 
So once again Intel is slightly faster than AMD, and once again AMD will simply drop the price a little to make them far better value CPUs

Everyone wins basically (customers). If you want value, go with AMD, if you want all speed money can buy, go Intel.
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 16:15
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 16:15
May 20, 2020, 16:15
 
Cutter wrote on May 20, 2020, 16:13:
Pricing here?

Intel Core i9-10980XE Desktop Processor 18 Cores/36-Thread Processor LGA2066, 3.0 GHz Base/4.8 GHz Max Turbo Frequency, 165W Unlocked - $1500

AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-Core/32-Thread 7nm Processor Socket AM4 3.5GHz/ 4.7 GHz Boost 105W - $1000

When's AMD next round of new stuff? Rather when does the price drop on the 5700XT vid cards? Most of them - that I'm looking at - are still $500 - $600, and I'd like the come down at least a hunnerd bux. My card is reaching the end of its journey but I can wait another year if need be.

We're getting Zen3, RDNA2 and NV Ampere before end of year. Supposedly NV Hopper 5nm next year.

So yeah, good idea to wait for that GPU.
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 16:13
Cutter
 
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 16:13
May 20, 2020, 16:13
 Cutter
 
Pricing here?

Intel Core i9-10980XE Desktop Processor 18 Cores/36-Thread Processor LGA2066, 3.0 GHz Base/4.8 GHz Max Turbo Frequency, 165W Unlocked - $1500

AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-Core/32-Thread 7nm Processor Socket AM4 3.5GHz/ 4.7 GHz Boost 105W - $1000

When's AMD next round of new stuff? Rather when does the price drop on the 5700XT vid cards? Most of them - that I'm looking at - are still $500 - $600, and I'd like the come down at least a hunnerd bux. My card is reaching the end of its journey but I can wait another year if need be.

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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 14:58
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 14:58
May 20, 2020, 14:58
 
Verno wrote on May 20, 2020, 12:53:
Wallshadows wrote on May 20, 2020, 12:45:
From what I understand you have to factor in a REALLY good cooling system in to the cost of the 10900k which just blows any value out of the water. H115i and NH-D15s were what it took to keep this furnace "cool" when any kind of work was put to it.

Meanwhile you can slap on the stock cooler of a 3900x and pocket the difference. AMD also unfucked itself with now including the 4000 series support on older generation boards and the fourth generation is (allegedly) coming in with some pretty hefty gains.

I agree with everything else you said but I would still recommend an aftermarket cooler with a 3900x. I tried using stock but its loud and runs hot versus aftermarket. Getting a Noctua dropped my temps like 20 degrees at load and its barely audible relative to the Wraith Prism. If you're spending 3900x sort of bux then get the better cooler.

I can't even hear my 3900X stock cooler, I'm glad to say, 90% of the time. Idles @ 35-45C, usually runs at 55-65C under load--but I can hear the Prism when I punch the CPU doing (real) raytracing--but even @ 85C-90C, which is rare, it isn't "loud". Compared to the Spire, which I had with the 3600X, the Prism is silent.

Re: Intel: Who wants 14nm & tons of firmware and Win10 microcode patches for these ancient Intel architectures? Not I...;) What Intel is doing now reminds me of what AMD did years back with the infamou FX-9xxx series!

Btw...don't look for Zen 3 support in pre-x570 bioses for at least a year, imo.

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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 13:54
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May 20, 2020, 13:54
 Verno
 
Wallshadows wrote on May 20, 2020, 13:34:
Verno wrote on May 20, 2020, 12:53:
I agree with everything else you said but I would still recommend an aftermarket cooler with a 3900x. I tried using stock but its loud and runs hot versus aftermarket. Getting a Noctua dropped my temps like 20 degrees at load and its barely audible relative to the Wraith Prism. If you're spending 3900x sort of bux then get the better cooler.

That's true. My friend bought an NH-U12S and likewise saw a pretty nice drop in temps but it's still great that AMD at least provides a nice looking cooler across all ranges which are functional unlike Intel.

Yeah I totally agree, it's not a bad cooler and it's nice that they bother with one at all. I prefer to keep things cool and quiet though and in gaming, encoding and etc I was noticing temps/noise levels getting uncomfortably high even with a high airflow case and moderate ambient temps. Luckily most benchmark sites noted this stuff before hand so I already had a Noctua on hand and just put the Wraith Prism in my server box instead since that's more spike workloads as opposed to sustained.

Anyways nothing like this space heater obviously
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 13:40
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 13:40
May 20, 2020, 13:40
 
Verno wrote on May 20, 2020, 12:53:
I agree with everything else you said but I would still recommend an aftermarket cooler with a 3900x. I tried using stock but its loud and runs hot versus aftermarket. Getting a Noctua dropped my temps like 20 degrees at load and its barely audible relative to the Wraith Prism. If you're spending 3900x sort of bux then get the better cooler.

I think that depends on your ambient temperature and how well your case flows air. I have a 3900X based home server right now that. with 9 VMs running a consistent 75% load, is sitting at a 38.5C temp. That's with the included AMD cooler in the box. Ambient air temp is 70 degrees.

It's been dead silent since I powered it on. Case is a Fractal Design Define XL R2 loaded with 120mm fans that spin rather lazily even with every bay stuffed with a hard drive.
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 13:34
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 13:34
May 20, 2020, 13:34
 
Verno wrote on May 20, 2020, 12:53:
I agree with everything else you said but I would still recommend an aftermarket cooler with a 3900x. I tried using stock but its loud and runs hot versus aftermarket. Getting a Noctua dropped my temps like 20 degrees at load and its barely audible relative to the Wraith Prism. If you're spending 3900x sort of bux then get the better cooler.

That's true. My friend bought an NH-U12S and likewise saw a pretty nice drop in temps but it's still great that AMD at least provides a nice looking cooler across all ranges which are functional unlike Intel.

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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 13:00
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 13:00
May 20, 2020, 13:00
 
A friend got one of these samples to test. His normal water cooler heat sink was struggling had to put a expensive cooler on it to keep it cool, otherwise it down clocks a lot when it gets hot.
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 12:53
Verno
 
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 12:53
May 20, 2020, 12:53
 Verno
 
Wallshadows wrote on May 20, 2020, 12:45:
From what I understand you have to factor in a REALLY good cooling system in to the cost of the 10900k which just blows any value out of the water. H115i and NH-D15s were what it took to keep this furnace "cool" when any kind of work was put to it.

Meanwhile you can slap on the stock cooler of a 3900x and pocket the difference. AMD also unfucked itself with now including the 4000 series support on older generation boards and the fourth generation is (allegedly) coming in with some pretty hefty gains.

I agree with everything else you said but I would still recommend an aftermarket cooler with a 3900x. I tried using stock but its loud and runs hot versus aftermarket. Getting a Noctua dropped my temps like 20 degrees at load and its barely audible relative to the Wraith Prism. If you're spending 3900x sort of bux then get the better cooler.
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 12:46
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May 20, 2020, 12:46
 
A portable space heater that can also do your banking.
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 12:45
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 12:45
May 20, 2020, 12:45
 
From what I understand you have to factor in a REALLY good cooling system in to the cost of the 10900k which just blows any value out of the water. H115i and NH-D15s were what it took to keep this furnace "cool" when any kind of work was put to it.

Meanwhile you can slap on the stock cooler of a 3900x and pocket the difference. AMD also unfucked itself with now including the 4000 series support on older generation boards and the fourth generation is (allegedly) coming in with some pretty hefty gains.

subx wrote on May 20, 2020, 11:14:
The worry used to be that they wouldn’t be able to keep increasing CPU performance, but now it might be that there aren’t enough people who actually want it.

It's not that people don't want it it's that instead of actually creating more innovative products and pushing for a new node process they sat on 14nm and refined it in small increments until AMD came out blasting with Ryzen at which point their only response was... more 14nm incremental desktop refreshes at any cost until 2021 which means that they'll be using the 14nm node for seven years.

Meanwhile AMD is expected to release their second generation 7nm processors before the end of the year which is supposedly bringing some fairly substantial gains across the board while likely maintaining their competitive edge when it comes to pricing.

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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 12:12
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May 20, 2020, 12:12
 

TL&DR:

Went from ~5% win in games to ~8%, still loses everywhere else except slim margins in photoshop and some other unoptimized for multithreading Adobe apps.

High power usage, a bitch too cool down, PCIE3, no DDR5.

Yeah... No thanks.
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 12:06
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May 20, 2020, 12:06
 
subx wrote on May 20, 2020, 11:14:
I’m still running the i7 system I built 8 years ago, and although I’m obviously behind modern performance, I rarely find myself craving more CPU performance - it might be nice, but not something I’ve got to have. I certainly couldn’t have said the same sort of thing in the previous two decades.

The worry used to be that they wouldn’t be able to keep increasing CPU performance, but now it might be that there aren’t enough people who actually want it.

Ditto, although my machine does have some odd hiccups these days. Gonna have to upgrade at some point.
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 11:43
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 11:43
May 20, 2020, 11:43
 
No thanks. Ill wait for the next generation. AMD or Intel.
I have given up on waiting for BIS to come back to their senses and do a real ArmA 2 successor.
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews
May 20, 2020, 11:37
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Re: Intel 10-series CPU Reviews May 20, 2020, 11:37
May 20, 2020, 11:37
 Verno
 
Well they achieved their goal of hanging onto the gaming performance crown but at what cost? The thermals are kinda crazy. I'm not into MAX FORTNITE FPS so I will just keep my 3900x thanks
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