jdreyer wrote on May 13, 2020, 15:36:

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on May 13, 2020, 12:36:

Mr. Tact wrote on May 12, 2020, 20:43:
What a shock, the gig economy fucking people over -- who woulda thunk it?

People cannot do basic math. Nobody with an ounce of sense would work a Gig job, or support these leeching industries designed to literally destroy what little actual economy is left in the US.

At this point it's just a race to the bottom in almost every aspect of human existence in this country, with people cheering their own destruction along the way.

Hard to blame the drivers, they're desperate for work. Such is the case with all of these gig companies: they exploit the desperate to provide convenience to the rest of us, making massive profits along the way (or at least massive salaries for their C-level execs).

IMO, this is a case of the companies getting ahead of government regulation. They grow so quickly that by the time the gov't tries to get involved, the gov't has a hard time with that regulation because they've become the status quo. Hard to change it at that point, but they need to bite the bullet and get legislation passed.

It has nothing to do with becoming the "status quo" and everything to do with being able to afford LOBBYISTS. Until that shit changes no amount of legislation will be put forward, much less passed.
imho

Bodolza wrote on May 13, 2020, 12:46:
And how much it would cost the businesses to run their own ordering web site, do their advertising, and hire drivers for delivery?

I don't think most of us are opposed to this in concept, just the way it's run, exploiting both the workers and the restaurants. The drivers need to be employees, not contractors. And the price fixing needs to stop.

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on May 13, 2020, 12:36:

Mr. Tact wrote on May 12, 2020, 20:43:
What a shock, the gig economy fucking people over -- who woulda thunk it?

People cannot do basic math. Nobody with an ounce of sense would work a Gig job, or support these leeching industries designed to literally destroy what little actual economy is left in the US.

At this point it's just a race to the bottom in almost every aspect of human existence in this country, with people cheering their own destruction along the way.

Hard to blame the drivers, they're desperate for work. Such is the case with all of these gig companies: they exploit the desperate to provide convenience to the rest of us, making massive profits along the way (or at least massive salaries for their C-level execs).

IMO, this is a case of the companies getting ahead of government regulation. They grow so quickly that by the time the gov't tries to get involved, the gov't has a hard time with that regulation because they've become the status quo. Hard to change it at that point, but they need to bite the bullet and get legislation passed.

Mr. Tact wrote on May 12, 2020, 23:27:
98% of the market, but they have never gotten a penny from me.

Me neither. I always pick up my own takeout. The few times I've ordered delivery, it has been pizza (as Cutter mentioned) and they use their own drivers.

Bodolza wrote on May 13, 2020, 12:46:
And how much it would cost the businesses to run their own ordering web site, do their advertising, and hire drivers for delivery?

Decent question, but obviously restaurants somehow survived with delivery before the gig economy started breaking shit. I don't own a restaurant but I cannot picture 70-80% of revenue going to a website and drivers, and every restaurant does some form of advertising regardless of their use of X delivery service or not.

It's definitely appealing to try to outsource complex, expensive systems, it's been going on in multiple forms for decades. The overwhelming evidence we have though, indicate any short term savings are lost long term as industries collapse, whether it be manufacturing or restaurants or whatever real life business you want to examine that tried to save money by outsourcing. Luckily Uber Eats, Grubhub and the rest, are so god damned greedy that their gouging is readily apparent even a few months later, hopefully it won't take two decades of closures for restaurants to wise up.

Bodolza wrote on May 13, 2020, 12:46:
And how much it would cost the businesses to run their own ordering web site, do their advertising, and hire drivers for delivery?

Some of these services still require the restaurant do the delivery. They're just a marketplace and payment processing.

Which is still important. Almost definitely not 30% important, but it creates a central listing of "what the fuck do I want for dinner tonight?" Which, given how frequently that's a question, there's a lot of value to consumers for being able to open one app or website, see a list of every dish you can get, see the wait time, and get it with one click. Caviar also has GPS on the delivery guys, so you can track it directly to your door.

Perhaps the burden should be on the consumer, not the restaurant.

And how much it would cost the businesses to run their own ordering web site, do their advertising, and hire drivers for delivery?

Mr. Tact wrote on May 12, 2020, 20:43:
What a shock, the gig economy fucking people over -- who woulda thunk it?

People cannot do basic math. Nobody with an ounce of sense would work a Gig job, or support these leeching industries designed to literally destroy what little actual economy is left in the US.

At this point it's just a race to the bottom in almost every aspect of human existence in this country, with people cheering their own destruction along the way.

J wrote on May 13, 2020, 10:38:

jdreyer wrote on May 12, 2020, 22:46:

The now-viral post revealed one of Badalamenti's restaurant clients brought in $1,042.63 worth of orders during the month — but only pocketed $376.54 after all of Grubhub's fees were deducted.

So Grubhub gets 70%. And we thought Steam's 30% was bad...

Fear not, I'm sure Epic will create their own delivery service where the restaurant gets a much bigger cut. And maybe give away some free food each week.

And to simplify the supply chain they'd have the following exclusives: Chipolte, Domino's Pizza, Panda Express, Olive Garden and Schlotzsky's

jdreyer wrote on May 12, 2020, 22:46:

The now-viral post revealed one of Badalamenti's restaurant clients brought in $1,042.63 worth of orders during the month — but only pocketed $376.54 after all of Grubhub's fees were deducted.

So Grubhub gets 70%. And we thought Steam's 30% was bad...

Fear not, I'm sure Epic will create their own delivery service where the restaurant gets a much bigger cut. And maybe give away some free food each week.

Don't need to click on it - friend's bars and restaurants make less than 50% per order when they use those services. They said they use them just to keep people happy that aren't able to stop in. They don't even break even.

I was going to user Uber Eats at the start of the homestay order when I saw they were offering "free delivery" from local restaurants. Then I got to the end of the order process and saw a 10% "service fee" tacked on by Uber Eats.

Bunch a fucking dickheads. You know when Chipotle offers "free delivery" it's the same fucking price I'd pay if I drove to the store and ordered it in person. Hence the "FREE" thing.

Mr. Tact wrote on May 12, 2020, 23:27:
98% of the market, but they have never gotten a penny from me.

Exactly. Pizza places have had in-house drivers forever and that works just fine.

98% of the market, but they have never gotten a penny from me.

There was also a class action lawsuit filed a few weeks ago against GrubHub, DoorDash, Postmates and Uber Eats for price fixing.

"In exchange for permission to participate in defendants' meal delivery monopolies, restaurants must charge supra-competitive prices to consumers who do not buy their meals through the delivery apps, ultimately driving those consumers to defendants' platforms," the lawsuit alleges.

These four companies represent 98% of the market. 98% is not a typo.

The now-viral post revealed one of Badalamenti's restaurant clients brought in $1,042.63 worth of orders during the month — but only pocketed $376.54 after all of Grubhub's fees were deducted.

So Grubhub gets 70%. And we thought Steam's 30% was bad...

Even the "minimum" example they gave if he hadn't added in the optional stuff was bordering on criminal and certainly not a sustainable amount without significant price increases.

The example they use with the Pizza Guy clearly demonstrates he's an idiot. Is there some particular reason they can't hire a delivery person directly? Last I checked there were 35+ million people out of work in the USA currently. Jesus, I'm sure there'd be no shortage of people who'd volunteer to do it right now just to get out of the house. Or work for food and say $10 ph under the table. The problem isn't those services it's the clowns who use them.

What a shock, the gig economy fucking people over -- who woulda thunk it?

til what gig means

The only people getting rich off these delivery/taxi services are the bigwigs.
I'd always thought taxi medallions were shady but this shit appears no different. The benefit-less underemployed don't stand a chance driving, shopping and delivering for these greedy scumbags.