Bungie Versus Destiny 2 Cheaters [Apr 25, 2020, 12:26 pm ET] – Share – Viewing Comments
A new installment of
This Week At
Bungie discusses Trials of Osiris and plans to revisit the rewards it offers
Destiny 2 players. It also has details on their latest efforts at
combating cheaters in Destiny 2, saying that cheating is up roughly 50 percent
since January (thanks
Eurogamer). They say they are reevaluating some of their decisions, saying
it may be a mistake not to paywall Trials of Osiris to create "more friction
against free-account-recycling cheaters." They also go into detail about some of
the ways players are gaming the game, and offer the following outline of their
plans for fighting back:
But you didn’t come here just to hear us describe the types of cheating in Destiny. The more pressing question is: What do we plan to do about it?
- We’re shifting more people to help work on this space. More eyes analyzing cheater reports, more developments in our anti-cheat systems, more people developing and testing new ban rules, and more fuel for the hammer. There are many details about new detections and preventions, but sharing those would give the bad actors a head start. The one thing I can say is that a big focus is rapid response – we want to get cheaters out of the pool more quickly. This is key to reducing the value of cheating, especially in selling access to cheats.
- We’re changing a key policy – fireteammates of cheaters are no longer innocent. We now reserve the right to restrict or ban any player who has benefitted from cheating, even if they didn’t cheat themselves. This includes scenarios where players group up with or provide account information to a guide or carry service, which then cheats on their behalf. We want you to find new friends out there, but be sure they have your trust before you go. If you LFG your way into a fireteam with a cheater, get out and report them. If you ride them to a flawless, the Banhammer will come for you as well.
- We’re considering requiring a much higher player time investment to play Trials. We’re interested in your thoughts on this. What if you had to have ~100 hours of play on an account to participate in any Trials match where a ticket with more than four wins was at stake on either side? Increasing the time it takes for a new account to become Trials-ready increases the power of our Banhammer (since cheaters can always create new dummy accounts), but it also adds barriers to honest, law-abiding PvPers that want to check out Trials. Would the reduction in cheaters be worth the increased barrier to getting your T-1000-aimskill buddy who’s running behind on Light to join your fireteam?
- [REDACTED]. Because this is a cheating discussion, know that we have additional initiatives we do not intend to share publicly, in order to stay one step ahead of attackers.
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Slashman wrote on Apr 26, 2020, 08:51:
Yeah and everyone was nicer in the 40s etc etc etc.
The fact is that some people want to have a multiplayer experience. And last time I checked...Destiny 2 was free.
I used to play some multplayer back in the day and my friends and I really enjoyed playing Battlefield and Call of Duty (when it was a WW2 game) in multiplayer. At LAN parties.
I hardly play anymore because I have more than enough single player games to keep me occupied. But that doesn't mean people should have a shitty experience because they choose to play multiplayer.
i didn't say that people SHOULD have a bad experience with multiplayer. i said that it's virtually impossible to avoid it. it's not really possible to have a game like CoD or battlefield where the experience isn't ruined by the other players. just like there will always be piracy, there will always be cheaters. no matter what they do, the cheaters will find a way around it. they ALWAYS do.
COD is doing something right from last reports, instead of banning, matchmaker them all together. That is justice.
buckrussell wrote on Apr 26, 2020, 08:39:
The problem isn't the cheaters and never has been. The problem is the expectation that you can actually STOP them.
You cannot. This is no different from their war on piracy. It is probably MORE futile than that.
When the game companies start realizing that REAL games do not involve multiplayer stupidity but rather, an engrossing and compelling STORY. A game where your enjoyment is not, in any way, affected by other people's lack of decency... this is the time when the gaming industry can start to rebound.
But as long as brain-dead morons keep shelling out $60 for unfinished games, then spend an additional $20-50 on that same game for DLC and Season Passes (that should be part of the original $60 investement, like they USED TO BE) they are going to keep doing this to us. They want your money, not your loyalty.
Yeah and everyone was nicer in the 40s etc etc etc.
The fact is that some people want to have a multiplayer experience. And last time I checked...Destiny 2 was free.
I used to play some multplayer back in the day and my friends and I really enjoyed playing Battlefield and Call of Duty (when it was a WW2 game) in multiplayer. At LAN parties.
I hardly play anymore because I have more than enough single player games to keep me occupied. But that doesn't mean people should have a shitty experience because they choose to play multiplayer.
The problem isn't the cheaters and never has been. The problem is the expectation that you can actually STOP them.
You cannot. This is no different from their war on piracy. It is probably MORE futile than that.
When the game companies start realizing that REAL games do not involve multiplayer stupidity but rather, an engrossing and compelling STORY. A game where your enjoyment is not, in any way, affected by other people's lack of decency... this is the time when the gaming industry can start to rebound.
But as long as brain-dead morons keep shelling out $60 for unfinished games, then spend an additional $20-50 on that same game for DLC and Season Passes (that should be part of the original $60 investement, like they USED TO BE) they are going to keep doing this to us. They want your money, not your loyalty.
You cannot. This is no different from their war on piracy. It is probably MORE futile than that.
When the game companies start realizing that REAL games do not involve multiplayer stupidity but rather, an engrossing and compelling STORY. A game where your enjoyment is not, in any way, affected by other people's lack of decency... this is the time when the gaming industry can start to rebound.
But as long as brain-dead morons keep shelling out $60 for unfinished games, then spend an additional $20-50 on that same game for DLC and Season Passes (that should be part of the original $60 investement, like they USED TO BE) they are going to keep doing this to us. They want your money, not your loyalty.
Then you might not know as much as you think about online gaming.
In a game like Hearthstone it is very easy to stomp out cheaters. The only thing that the person at home can do is make a valid play or not play at all.
In a multiplayer shooter that becomes orders of magnitude more difficult if you also want to have a smooth gameplay experience.
Aim hacks/Wall hacks for instance, aren't about making a move on the hosting servers. They are literally mostly done on the cheater's computer. And while it might be possible to detect them if the hosting servers were very anal about every bit of data that is sent to them...the lag resulting from that would make online play unacceptably bad lag-wise.
In a game like Hearthstone it is very easy to stomp out cheaters. The only thing that the person at home can do is make a valid play or not play at all.
In a multiplayer shooter that becomes orders of magnitude more difficult if you also want to have a smooth gameplay experience.
Aim hacks/Wall hacks for instance, aren't about making a move on the hosting servers. They are literally mostly done on the cheater's computer. And while it might be possible to detect them if the hosting servers were very anal about every bit of data that is sent to them...the lag resulting from that would make online play unacceptably bad lag-wise.
Or just block the cheat vectors.
Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
In this day and age where everyone's online activity is tracked in minute personalized detail, I find it hard to believe there is no way to positively ID cheaters and prevent them from re-entering the game via free account recycling.
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