yuastnav wrote on Apr 3, 2020, 09:45:Razumen wrote on Apr 3, 2020, 07:45:yuastnav wrote on Apr 3, 2020, 03:09:Razumen wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 21:39:yuastnav wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 07:42:Pr()ZaC wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 06:48:yuastnav wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 03:03:Windows installs nVidia/AMD/Intel/Realtek/etc. drivers by itself to get you going. They're not the latest ones but they work just fine for games.
Eh that's kinda true.
Recently I installed a new SSD in my computer. I installed Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Getting my NVidia video card to work on Ubuntu was actually easier. The installation process was faster and less cumbersome than it was on Windows.
I remember how difficult it was getting video drivers to work on Linux a couple of years ago. A thing I dreaded. Now it's the other way around. Every time I have to install video drivers on Windows I get an uneasy feeling as if I'm expecting it to go wrong any minute.
On ubuntu it's just "go to package manager, install NVidia drivers". Done.
Everything else just works out of the box. With Linux even more so than with Windows.
And thanks to steam getting to play a few, cool games is also easier than before. It's in no way more difficult than on Windows. Even with games that don't necessarily have native ports.
On the other hand every iteration of Windows just gets worse and worse. The menus etc. become more counter-intuitive to use, Linux is actually more user-friendly now than Windows. I'm not sure what exactly they are thinking at Microsoft but I'd wager it's not a lot.
Eh Linux is not without its problems, mind you. Some things are still a pain in the ass to use but it's gotten to a point where you can configure a lot of the system through GUIs, just like in Windows. But, unlike in Windows, you can still revert to the shell for more gritty, difficult stuff. The PowerShell on the other hand is a joke. Seriously, the first thing I do when I get a new Windows machine is install cygwin. I cannot fathom how one could hope to be productive just using cmd/PowerShell.
Visual Studio's debugger is still nice, though, and easier to use than Eclipse. In general I am not too happy with Eclipse. But that's probably because Eclipse is written in Java which I swear is the eleventh plague visited upon mankind.
Peculiar. This has not been my experience. I installed Windows 10 pro. There were definitely problems until I installed the drivers. Didn't have to install DirectX anymore, though.
I've had far less problems with Win10 than I've had with previous W7, and W7 had far less than those before. Linux *might* be getting easier to use, but there's no way it's better than Windows still for the average user, and definitely not better for gaming. If you choose Linus to be your main gaming system, you are intentionally limiting your game pool with no real benefit.
No, I'm choosing Linux as my main system because I find it easier to use and I don't get the feeling that I'm using someone else's PC, nothing more.
Up until a few months ago I always used Windows as my main gaming system but I was never comfortable doing anything else with that system because it doesn't feel like it belongs to me. Now that I've seen how easy it is to install Ubuntu and the Nvidia drivers and get everything going (and that coming from a long-time Debian user) I'm really considering just ditching Windows completely because it's rather not very stable and pretty buggy for my tastes, not to mention security issues (not that Linux is not buggy, just not as much as Windows).
You can say no all you want, but it doesn't change the fact you're still intentionally limiting your game pool.
If the upside is, among others, a sense of comfort that I am using a PC that is actually a personal computer I am fine with that.
Razumen wrote on Apr 3, 2020, 07:45:yuastnav wrote on Apr 3, 2020, 03:09:Razumen wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 21:39:yuastnav wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 07:42:Pr()ZaC wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 06:48:yuastnav wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 03:03:Windows installs nVidia/AMD/Intel/Realtek/etc. drivers by itself to get you going. They're not the latest ones but they work just fine for games.
Eh that's kinda true.
Recently I installed a new SSD in my computer. I installed Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Getting my NVidia video card to work on Ubuntu was actually easier. The installation process was faster and less cumbersome than it was on Windows.
I remember how difficult it was getting video drivers to work on Linux a couple of years ago. A thing I dreaded. Now it's the other way around. Every time I have to install video drivers on Windows I get an uneasy feeling as if I'm expecting it to go wrong any minute.
On ubuntu it's just "go to package manager, install NVidia drivers". Done.
Everything else just works out of the box. With Linux even more so than with Windows.
And thanks to steam getting to play a few, cool games is also easier than before. It's in no way more difficult than on Windows. Even with games that don't necessarily have native ports.
On the other hand every iteration of Windows just gets worse and worse. The menus etc. become more counter-intuitive to use, Linux is actually more user-friendly now than Windows. I'm not sure what exactly they are thinking at Microsoft but I'd wager it's not a lot.
Eh Linux is not without its problems, mind you. Some things are still a pain in the ass to use but it's gotten to a point where you can configure a lot of the system through GUIs, just like in Windows. But, unlike in Windows, you can still revert to the shell for more gritty, difficult stuff. The PowerShell on the other hand is a joke. Seriously, the first thing I do when I get a new Windows machine is install cygwin. I cannot fathom how one could hope to be productive just using cmd/PowerShell.
Visual Studio's debugger is still nice, though, and easier to use than Eclipse. In general I am not too happy with Eclipse. But that's probably because Eclipse is written in Java which I swear is the eleventh plague visited upon mankind.
Peculiar. This has not been my experience. I installed Windows 10 pro. There were definitely problems until I installed the drivers. Didn't have to install DirectX anymore, though.
I've had far less problems with Win10 than I've had with previous W7, and W7 had far less than those before. Linux *might* be getting easier to use, but there's no way it's better than Windows still for the average user, and definitely not better for gaming. If you choose Linus to be your main gaming system, you are intentionally limiting your game pool with no real benefit.
No, I'm choosing Linux as my main system because I find it easier to use and I don't get the feeling that I'm using someone else's PC, nothing more.
Up until a few months ago I always used Windows as my main gaming system but I was never comfortable doing anything else with that system because it doesn't feel like it belongs to me. Now that I've seen how easy it is to install Ubuntu and the Nvidia drivers and get everything going (and that coming from a long-time Debian user) I'm really considering just ditching Windows completely because it's rather not very stable and pretty buggy for my tastes, not to mention security issues (not that Linux is not buggy, just not as much as Windows).
You can say no all you want, but it doesn't change the fact you're still intentionally limiting your game pool.
yuastnav wrote on Apr 3, 2020, 03:09:Razumen wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 21:39:yuastnav wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 07:42:Pr()ZaC wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 06:48:yuastnav wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 03:03:Windows installs nVidia/AMD/Intel/Realtek/etc. drivers by itself to get you going. They're not the latest ones but they work just fine for games.
Eh that's kinda true.
Recently I installed a new SSD in my computer. I installed Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Getting my NVidia video card to work on Ubuntu was actually easier. The installation process was faster and less cumbersome than it was on Windows.
I remember how difficult it was getting video drivers to work on Linux a couple of years ago. A thing I dreaded. Now it's the other way around. Every time I have to install video drivers on Windows I get an uneasy feeling as if I'm expecting it to go wrong any minute.
On ubuntu it's just "go to package manager, install NVidia drivers". Done.
Everything else just works out of the box. With Linux even more so than with Windows.
And thanks to steam getting to play a few, cool games is also easier than before. It's in no way more difficult than on Windows. Even with games that don't necessarily have native ports.
On the other hand every iteration of Windows just gets worse and worse. The menus etc. become more counter-intuitive to use, Linux is actually more user-friendly now than Windows. I'm not sure what exactly they are thinking at Microsoft but I'd wager it's not a lot.
Eh Linux is not without its problems, mind you. Some things are still a pain in the ass to use but it's gotten to a point where you can configure a lot of the system through GUIs, just like in Windows. But, unlike in Windows, you can still revert to the shell for more gritty, difficult stuff. The PowerShell on the other hand is a joke. Seriously, the first thing I do when I get a new Windows machine is install cygwin. I cannot fathom how one could hope to be productive just using cmd/PowerShell.
Visual Studio's debugger is still nice, though, and easier to use than Eclipse. In general I am not too happy with Eclipse. But that's probably because Eclipse is written in Java which I swear is the eleventh plague visited upon mankind.
Peculiar. This has not been my experience. I installed Windows 10 pro. There were definitely problems until I installed the drivers. Didn't have to install DirectX anymore, though.
I've had far less problems with Win10 than I've had with previous W7, and W7 had far less than those before. Linux *might* be getting easier to use, but there's no way it's better than Windows still for the average user, and definitely not better for gaming. If you choose Linus to be your main gaming system, you are intentionally limiting your game pool with no real benefit.
No, I'm choosing Linux as my main system because I find it easier to use and I don't get the feeling that I'm using someone else's PC, nothing more.
Up until a few months ago I always used Windows as my main gaming system but I was never comfortable doing anything else with that system because it doesn't feel like it belongs to me. Now that I've seen how easy it is to install Ubuntu and the Nvidia drivers and get everything going (and that coming from a long-time Debian user) I'm really considering just ditching Windows completely because it's rather not very stable and pretty buggy for my tastes, not to mention security issues (not that Linux is not buggy, just not as much as Windows).
Razumen wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 21:39:yuastnav wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 07:42:Pr()ZaC wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 06:48:yuastnav wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 03:03:Windows installs nVidia/AMD/Intel/Realtek/etc. drivers by itself to get you going. They're not the latest ones but they work just fine for games.
Eh that's kinda true.
Recently I installed a new SSD in my computer. I installed Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Getting my NVidia video card to work on Ubuntu was actually easier. The installation process was faster and less cumbersome than it was on Windows.
I remember how difficult it was getting video drivers to work on Linux a couple of years ago. A thing I dreaded. Now it's the other way around. Every time I have to install video drivers on Windows I get an uneasy feeling as if I'm expecting it to go wrong any minute.
On ubuntu it's just "go to package manager, install NVidia drivers". Done.
Everything else just works out of the box. With Linux even more so than with Windows.
And thanks to steam getting to play a few, cool games is also easier than before. It's in no way more difficult than on Windows. Even with games that don't necessarily have native ports.
On the other hand every iteration of Windows just gets worse and worse. The menus etc. become more counter-intuitive to use, Linux is actually more user-friendly now than Windows. I'm not sure what exactly they are thinking at Microsoft but I'd wager it's not a lot.
Eh Linux is not without its problems, mind you. Some things are still a pain in the ass to use but it's gotten to a point where you can configure a lot of the system through GUIs, just like in Windows. But, unlike in Windows, you can still revert to the shell for more gritty, difficult stuff. The PowerShell on the other hand is a joke. Seriously, the first thing I do when I get a new Windows machine is install cygwin. I cannot fathom how one could hope to be productive just using cmd/PowerShell.
Visual Studio's debugger is still nice, though, and easier to use than Eclipse. In general I am not too happy with Eclipse. But that's probably because Eclipse is written in Java which I swear is the eleventh plague visited upon mankind.
Peculiar. This has not been my experience. I installed Windows 10 pro. There were definitely problems until I installed the drivers. Didn't have to install DirectX anymore, though.
I've had far less problems with Win10 than I've had with previous W7, and W7 had far less than those before. Linux *might* be getting easier to use, but there's no way it's better than Windows still for the average user, and definitely not better for gaming. If you choose Linus to be your main gaming system, you are intentionally limiting your game pool with no real benefit.
yuastnav wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 07:42:Pr()ZaC wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 06:48:yuastnav wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 03:03:Windows installs nVidia/AMD/Intel/Realtek/etc. drivers by itself to get you going. They're not the latest ones but they work just fine for games.
Eh that's kinda true.
Recently I installed a new SSD in my computer. I installed Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Getting my NVidia video card to work on Ubuntu was actually easier. The installation process was faster and less cumbersome than it was on Windows.
I remember how difficult it was getting video drivers to work on Linux a couple of years ago. A thing I dreaded. Now it's the other way around. Every time I have to install video drivers on Windows I get an uneasy feeling as if I'm expecting it to go wrong any minute.
On ubuntu it's just "go to package manager, install NVidia drivers". Done.
Everything else just works out of the box. With Linux even more so than with Windows.
And thanks to steam getting to play a few, cool games is also easier than before. It's in no way more difficult than on Windows. Even with games that don't necessarily have native ports.
On the other hand every iteration of Windows just gets worse and worse. The menus etc. become more counter-intuitive to use, Linux is actually more user-friendly now than Windows. I'm not sure what exactly they are thinking at Microsoft but I'd wager it's not a lot.
Eh Linux is not without its problems, mind you. Some things are still a pain in the ass to use but it's gotten to a point where you can configure a lot of the system through GUIs, just like in Windows. But, unlike in Windows, you can still revert to the shell for more gritty, difficult stuff. The PowerShell on the other hand is a joke. Seriously, the first thing I do when I get a new Windows machine is install cygwin. I cannot fathom how one could hope to be productive just using cmd/PowerShell.
Visual Studio's debugger is still nice, though, and easier to use than Eclipse. In general I am not too happy with Eclipse. But that's probably because Eclipse is written in Java which I swear is the eleventh plague visited upon mankind.
Peculiar. This has not been my experience. I installed Windows 10 pro. There were definitely problems until I installed the drivers. Didn't have to install DirectX anymore, though.
Verno wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 08:08:Kxmode wrote on Apr 1, 2020, 20:53:
Linux has never been "surprisingly easy" to game on. It will never be a gaming operating system no matter how hard the enthusiasts try. If they succeed in achieving that they had to make Linux, Windows, and I'm pretty Linux users don't want that. Linux users: just be happy with what "god" gave you.
It's not so much that as it is that OEMs, developers and publishers have no incentive to embrace it and so they don't bother. Without support from the industry it's always going to remain a niche of a niche which is reflected in its userbase numbers on the PC. Even Valve could not really make a meaningful dent in that problem.
Someone asked about Doom Eternal and I gave it a shot because its listed as "Gold" on ProtonDB which is misleading at the moment. I got it working with a pretty complicated launch parameter I documented on there. It has some glitches and issues despite that but it is playable. But is that the kind of thing you want to worry about? Probably not. I've been running FreeBSD and Linux for a long time due to work and I still maintain a Windows PC for gaming because there's little to no upside dealing with the various issues of running a Linux gaming PC.
Kxmode wrote on Apr 1, 2020, 20:53:
Linux has never been "surprisingly easy" to game on. It will never be a gaming operating system no matter how hard the enthusiasts try. If they succeed in achieving that they had to make Linux, Windows, and I'm pretty Linux users don't want that. Linux users: just be happy with what "god" gave you.
Pr()ZaC wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 06:48:yuastnav wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 03:03:Windows installs nVidia/AMD/Intel/Realtek/etc. drivers by itself to get you going. They're not the latest ones but they work just fine for games.
Eh that's kinda true.
Recently I installed a new SSD in my computer. I installed Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Getting my NVidia video card to work on Ubuntu was actually easier. The installation process was faster and less cumbersome than it was on Windows.
I remember how difficult it was getting video drivers to work on Linux a couple of years ago. A thing I dreaded. Now it's the other way around. Every time I have to install video drivers on Windows I get an uneasy feeling as if I'm expecting it to go wrong any minute.
On ubuntu it's just "go to package manager, install NVidia drivers". Done.
Everything else just works out of the box. With Linux even more so than with Windows.
And thanks to steam getting to play a few, cool games is also easier than before. It's in no way more difficult than on Windows. Even with games that don't necessarily have native ports.
On the other hand every iteration of Windows just gets worse and worse. The menus etc. become more counter-intuitive to use, Linux is actually more user-friendly now than Windows. I'm not sure what exactly they are thinking at Microsoft but I'd wager it's not a lot.
Eh Linux is not without its problems, mind you. Some things are still a pain in the ass to use but it's gotten to a point where you can configure a lot of the system through GUIs, just like in Windows. But, unlike in Windows, you can still revert to the shell for more gritty, difficult stuff. The PowerShell on the other hand is a joke. Seriously, the first thing I do when I get a new Windows machine is install cygwin. I cannot fathom how one could hope to be productive just using cmd/PowerShell.
Visual Studio's debugger is still nice, though, and easier to use than Eclipse. In general I am not too happy with Eclipse. But that's probably because Eclipse is written in Java which I swear is the eleventh plague visited upon mankind.
yuastnav wrote on Apr 2, 2020, 03:03:Windows installs nVidia/AMD/Intel/Realtek/etc. drivers by itself to get you going. They're not the latest ones but they work just fine for games.
Eh that's kinda true.
Recently I installed a new SSD in my computer. I installed Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Getting my NVidia video card to work on Ubuntu was actually easier. The installation process was faster and less cumbersome than it was on Windows.
I remember how difficult it was getting video drivers to work on Linux a couple of years ago. A thing I dreaded. Now it's the other way around. Every time I have to install video drivers on Windows I get an uneasy feeling as if I'm expecting it to go wrong any minute.
On ubuntu it's just "go to package manager, install NVidia drivers". Done.
Everything else just works out of the box. With Linux even more so than with Windows.
And thanks to steam getting to play a few, cool games is also easier than before. It's in no way more difficult than on Windows. Even with games that don't necessarily have native ports.
On the other hand every iteration of Windows just gets worse and worse. The menus etc. become more counter-intuitive to use, Linux is actually more user-friendly now than Windows. I'm not sure what exactly they are thinking at Microsoft but I'd wager it's not a lot.
Eh Linux is not without its problems, mind you. Some things are still a pain in the ass to use but it's gotten to a point where you can configure a lot of the system through GUIs, just like in Windows. But, unlike in Windows, you can still revert to the shell for more gritty, difficult stuff. The PowerShell on the other hand is a joke. Seriously, the first thing I do when I get a new Windows machine is install cygwin. I cannot fathom how one could hope to be productive just using cmd/PowerShell.
Visual Studio's debugger is still nice, though, and easier to use than Eclipse. In general I am not too happy with Eclipse. But that's probably because Eclipse is written in Java which I swear is the eleventh plague visited upon mankind.
Kxmode wrote on Apr 1, 2020, 20:53:
Linux users: just be happy with what"god"Linus Torvald gave you.