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Riot Games Lawsuit Reset

GamesIndustry.biz has the latest on the lawsuit against Riot Games over gender-based discrimination at the League of Legends developer. Last month two California agencies stepped in to object to a tentative settlement of the suit, citing allegations of collusion that lead to a proposed defendant-friendly $10 million payout. Now word is the plaintiffs have new legal council, who have withdrawn their support for this settlement. They now have the following statement on this development from Riot Games:
In a statement responding to the news, a Riot Games spokesperson told GamesIndustry.biz the League of Legends developer was committed to finding a fair outcome for all parties, one that is "justified by the underlying facts."

"We understand that the plaintiffs' new counsel needs adequate time to review the proposed settlement agreement and we respect that," said the spokesperson.

"That said, the analysis and discussions which led to the earlier proposed settlement were comprehensive and thorough, and we believe that the proposal was fair and adequate under the circumstances."

Riot also described the $400 million figure proposed by the DFEH as "outrageous," and said that any arguments put forward in favour of sum "can simply not be made in good faith."

"While we have acknowledged that there is work that we needed to do to better live up to our values, we have also made clear to our employees that we will defend ourselves against false narratives and unfair claims that do nothing to remedy any hardships of actual class members," they added.
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47. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Mar 2, 2020, 22:48  jdreyer 
 
roguebanshee wrote on Feb 27, 2020, 05:40:
Beamer wrote on Feb 26, 2020, 08:20:
Given this guy's somewhat broken English, I assume he isn't American.
That was my expectation from the "Just get a new education and look for a job in a different field"-part. I'd say $300k would be low end for the expenses of doing that as an American, and that would only be the cost if you could cover it without taking any loans.

If any kind of loan is involved, the actual cost would likely approach minimum $500k (over the time it takes to pay it back). Which would be on top of the student loan already being paid off.

I recently changed professions trim Cold Call Sales Specialist to Nuclear Physicist. All it took was an online degree from University of Phoenix costing $49.99.
 
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46. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 27, 2020, 05:40 roguebanshee
 
Beamer wrote on Feb 26, 2020, 08:20:
Given this guy's somewhat broken English, I assume he isn't American.
That was my expectation from the "Just get a new education and look for a job in a different field"-part. I'd say $300k would be low end for the expenses of doing that as an American, and that would only be the cost if you could cover it without taking any loans.

If any kind of loan is involved, the actual cost would likely approach minimum $500k (over the time it takes to pay it back). Which would be on top of the student loan already being paid off.
 
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45. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 26, 2020, 08:20  Beamer 
 
Given this guy's somewhat broken English, I assume he isn't American. Which is important. We don't have free education or healthcare. Or much of a social security blanket.

So he is suggesting that people go back to school. Any kind of worthwhile degree is a minimum of 1 year full-time, but more likely 2 years. A minimum of $40,000 per year, but probably more like $65,000 when you include all the expenses, including health insurance, since you are no longer getting that from work. Let's just round to an easy $100k, though, to be conservative.

Since it's full-time, this means forgoing salary, as well. These people likely earned six figures, or near it, plus benefits, so let's say it's $220k over two years being given up.

And, since Riot is in SF, there's next to no way these people can reasonably keep their current apartments without income, so they have to move, which is added inconvenience and expense.

Likely $300k+ in combined expenses and opportunity cost/forgone salary, and leaving the dream career you've spent all your life planning for, because your company isn't willing to tell your boss to stop fucking assaulting you in meetings.

Sounds totally reasonable...
 



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44. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 26, 2020, 00:48  jdreyer 
 
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 08:43:

If someone farted me in the face, i would change job. I'm all for punishing assholes, but there are dicks and bitches, who will abuse system, on both sides. They took money for the job, and it's not like somebody kept them at gun point, so they couldn't leave for months or years. IMO, the money should go to justice system or something (can't say it more clear due to my shit english skill), not to these real or so called victims, to minimise abuse.

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43. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 26, 2020, 00:45  jdreyer 
 
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:45:
Beamer wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:33:
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:26:
RedEye9 wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:03:
Looks like justice will win here and pay out like a loose Vegas slot machine.

Sure, enjoy. To hell with employers, who are actually decent, but had bad luck to employ some cunning &#$%^&, who just learned how to make some money,

Yes, those decent employers that ignore employees complaining about having their scrotums grabbed by senior management.

Because employees are paragons of virtue, and bosses are completely different species, breed in hell.

Ah, whataboutism. The last refuge of the scoundrel.
 
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42. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 26, 2020, 00:42  jdreyer 
 
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:26:
RedEye9 wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:03:
Looks like justice will win here and pay out like a loose Vegas slot machine.

Sure, enjoy. To hell with employers, who are actually decent, but had bad luck to employ some cunning &#$%^&, who just learned how to make some money,

Corporations are people. Except when they do bad things. Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.

amirite?
 
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41. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 26, 2020, 00:40  jdreyer 
 
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 16:47:

I didn't say i don't sympathize with them. I sympathize with those, who were _really_ harassed, but i'm sure many just try to abuse the system and make some money on it. I also said, they shouldn't get any money, because they weren't forced to work there, and second, this is easily abused.


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40. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 25, 2020, 21:35  RedEye9 
 
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39. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 25, 2020, 21:01  Beamer 
 
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:45:
Beamer wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:33:
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:26:
RedEye9 wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:03:
Looks like justice will win here and pay out like a loose Vegas slot machine.

Sure, enjoy. To hell with employers, who are actually decent, but had bad luck to employ some cunning &#$%^&, who just learned how to make some money,

Yes, those decent employers that ignore employees complaining about having their scrotums grabbed by senior management.

Because employees are paragons of virtue, and bosses are completely different species, breed in hell.

Yes, you alien that just crash landed here and doesn't understand basic humanity, a boss that grabs your testicles is, in fact, bred in hell.

This isn't hard.
 



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38. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 25, 2020, 20:44 Dwarf-Snowninja
 
Except that it was repeatedly proven that these women were being harassed, directly or indirectly; Riot was told to knock it of, they didn't... Even without being told to knock it off the ENTIRE onus of fixing said behavior should be on the shoulders of the employers, not the employees.

When the employers are the ones engaging in said behavior or doing diddly about it, suing is often the only option (I could see union pressure being brought in but that's contingent on where you work and how good your union is).
 
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37. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 25, 2020, 17:45 Dontbother
 
Beamer wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:33:
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:26:
RedEye9 wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:03:
Looks like justice will win here and pay out like a loose Vegas slot machine.

Sure, enjoy. To hell with employers, who are actually decent, but had bad luck to employ some cunning &#$%^&, who just learned how to make some money,

Yes, those decent employers that ignore employees complaining about having their scrotums grabbed by senior management.

Because employees are paragons of virtue, and bosses are completely different species, breed in hell.
 
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36. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 25, 2020, 17:33  Beamer 
 
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:26:
RedEye9 wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:03:
Looks like justice will win here and pay out like a loose Vegas slot machine.

Sure, enjoy. To hell with employers, who are actually decent, but had bad luck to employ some cunning &#$%^&, who just learned how to make some money,

Yes, those decent employers that ignore employees complaining about having their scrotums grabbed by senior management.
 



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35. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 25, 2020, 17:26 Dontbother
 
RedEye9 wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 17:03:
Looks like justice will win here and pay out like a loose Vegas slot machine.

Sure, enjoy. To hell with employers, who are actually decent, but had bad luck to employ some cunning &#$%^&, who just learned how to make some money,
 
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34. removed Feb 25, 2020, 17:10 Dontbother
 
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33. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 25, 2020, 17:09  Beamer 
 
Sepharo wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 16:50:
I don't think this guy knows what a lawsuit is actually.

I'm not certain he knows what his feet are.
 



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32. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 25, 2020, 17:03  RedEye9 
 
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31. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 25, 2020, 17:01 Dontbother
 
Sepharo wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 16:50:
I don't think this guy knows what a lawsuit is actually.

Maybe in your fantasy world, justice always wins
 
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30. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 25, 2020, 16:50 Sepharo
 
I don't think this guy knows what a lawsuit is actually.  
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29. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 25, 2020, 16:47 Dontbother
 
Beamer wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 16:28:
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 16:18:
Beamer wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 15:51:
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 15:44:
Beamer wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 15:39:
Sepharo wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 15:30:
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 15:29:
Sepharo wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 15:23:
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 14:22:
You know, i have a friend, who have a poor job with shit sallary, but despite the fact, he could easily find much better one, he don't want to.

Several years ago, i also had a period of time with a poor job where my boss was a little piece of shit. He didn't harass me sexually, but i was so fed up with his behaviour, that i decided, i'm not gonna allow this kind of crap again. I completely changed my field of work, and in my early forties, did a degree in construction extramurally. When i was studying, at least third of students were people around their forties, who had jobs, wives/husbands and childrens.

So don't you dare to tell me, theese people couldn't find other jobs, because they've got families, or other BS. This is just a cheap excuse.

Regarding those harassing assholes, they deserve good pounding or whatever punishment, but harassed employees shouldn't got any money.


Yes everyone is you, works in your industry, and has your financial situation and family life.

Also, people shouldn't be able to sue because... reasons.

God, you didn't understand one word...

"Why won't you accept my anecdotes as valid for everyone?!"

Clearly, he thinks all these game developers should just go back to school and become construction workers?

Who said about workers?

You're still saying that, if your boss repeatedly grabs you by the testicles, the solution is to leave the job market for a while and switch careers.

Does that not strike you as ludicrous?

Jesus... i didn't have to change career. I choose to. Of course i could just bitch about my work

And these people aren't "just bitching."

And your employer has a responsibility for your wellbeing, and to protect you from abuse. The bad actions here were by the fucking employer, not the employee. Why should the employee change when the employer is fucking up? When he's breaching his duty?

When he's not protecting his employees from being groped in meetings?

You act like we're the dense ones, but you literally fled like a coward and changed your entire career because someone was unkind to you, yet have no sympathy for these people literally getting grabbed by the balls in meetings by their boss's boss's boss.

I didn't say i don't sympathize with them. I sympathize with those, who were _really_ harassed, but i'm sure many just try to abuse the system and make some money on it. I also said, they shouldn't get any money, because they weren't forced to work there, and second, this is easily abused.

Funny, that you call a coward someone, who took fate into his hand. This tells more about you, then me.
 
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28. Re: Riot Games Lawsuit Reset Feb 25, 2020, 16:28  Beamer 
 
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 16:18:
Beamer wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 15:51:
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 15:44:
Beamer wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 15:39:
Sepharo wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 15:30:
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 15:29:
Sepharo wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 15:23:
Dontbother wrote on Feb 25, 2020, 14:22:
You know, i have a friend, who have a poor job with shit sallary, but despite the fact, he could easily find much better one, he don't want to.

Several years ago, i also had a period of time with a poor job where my boss was a little piece of shit. He didn't harass me sexually, but i was so fed up with his behaviour, that i decided, i'm not gonna allow this kind of crap again. I completely changed my field of work, and in my early forties, did a degree in construction extramurally. When i was studying, at least third of students were people around their forties, who had jobs, wives/husbands and childrens.

So don't you dare to tell me, theese people couldn't find other jobs, because they've got families, or other BS. This is just a cheap excuse.

Regarding those harassing assholes, they deserve good pounding or whatever punishment, but harassed employees shouldn't got any money.


Yes everyone is you, works in your industry, and has your financial situation and family life.

Also, people shouldn't be able to sue because... reasons.

God, you didn't understand one word...

"Why won't you accept my anecdotes as valid for everyone?!"

Clearly, he thinks all these game developers should just go back to school and become construction workers?

Who said about workers?

You're still saying that, if your boss repeatedly grabs you by the testicles, the solution is to leave the job market for a while and switch careers.

Does that not strike you as ludicrous?

Jesus... i didn't have to change career. I choose to. Of course i could just bitch about my work

And these people aren't "just bitching."

And your employer has a responsibility for your wellbeing, and to protect you from abuse. The bad actions here were by the fucking employer, not the employee. Why should the employee change when the employer is fucking up? When he's breaching his duty?

When he's not protecting his employees from being groped in meetings?

You act like we're the dense ones, but you literally fled like a coward and changed your entire career because someone was unkind to you, yet have no sympathy for these people literally getting grabbed by the balls in meetings by their boss's boss's boss.
 



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