Half-Life: Alyx Spurs Index Sales

A SuperData XR Quarterly Update has some statistics on virtual reality and mixed reality uptake, which we're apparently now lumping together as XR. They report that XR revenue "is set to hit $14.9B in 2023," making the future of this still seem well off in the future. However, they also offer one stat that indicates the VR era may be starting to gain a head of steam. They note that "VR demand outstripped supply during the holiday season," and that Valve's Index headsets sold twice as many units in Q4 as Q3, suggesting that Half-Life: Alyx may be the killer app this technology has been waiting for (no offense to Beat Saber). They list the top VR headsets by sales in Q4 2019 as PlayStation VR (338K units), Oculus Quest (317K units), Valve Index (103K units), Oculus Go (84K units), and Oculus Rift S (71K units). Here's their analysis:
XR revenue is set to hit $14.9B in 2023
SuperData has released its projections of the XR market through 2023. Earnings from AR/MR headsets like the HoloLens are expected to grow significantly in 2023 once form factors and price points that are acceptable to consumers become available. AR/MR headset hardware and consumer software are set to earn a combined $6.7B by 2023, 45% of all XR revenue.

VR demand outstripped supply during the holiday season
Valve sold 149K Index headsets in 2019. Sales more than doubled from Q3 to Q4 (103K) thanks to anticipation for Half-Life: Alyx, which was announced in November and is slated to arrive in March. The Index sold more units than any other PC VR headset during the quarter despite a steep price of up to $1000. It would have sold even more if not for inventory issues (the device is currently sold out worldwide).

The Oculus Quest sold 705K units during 2019, more than the Oculus Go and Oculus Rift S combined. The simplicity of the Quest appealed to mainstream consumers and made it a hot holiday gift item. It sold 317K during Q4, putting it slightly behind the PlayStation VR (338K), which was the quarter’s best-selling VR headset. The Quest may have taken the title of top headset of the quarter if more stock was available. Like the Index, the Quest was periodically sold out during parts of Q4.
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Jan 30, 2020, 16:15
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Verno wrote on Jan 30, 2020, 11:33:
Boneworks is pretty cool but people really need their VR legs for it, I had a few friends get queasy at times. Probably should've started them off with Beat Saber or Elven Assassin instead haha.

Did you see the Into the Radius VR game mentioned further down on the Jan 29'th news feed? STALKER inspired VR survival shooter. Looks intri gueing.
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Wesp5 wrote on Jan 30, 2020, 02:57:
Zero Punctuation recently reviewed Boneworks which is a VR game very close to what HL: Alyx could be, so it might not be as special as many people assume. Also killer app or not, it's clear that Valve only made this to boost their VR sales and probably not because they wanted to make another HL game so it might well end up dissappointing. Now HL3 or HL2: EP3 would have been a real killer app for VR :)!

I don't think that's really true, they didn't make a Half-Life game to sell the Link, Controller or those weird Steam Machines that failed. Valve seems totally happy to let their hardware just stagnate when they lose interest in things which is why I have not picked up an Index. I think they just saw an opportunity to make an interesting Half-Life game again but I guess we'll see if they were successful or not.

Boneworks is pretty cool but people really need their VR legs for it, I had a few friends get queasy at times. Probably should've started them off with Beat Saber or Elven Assassin instead haha.
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Jan 30, 2020, 10:31
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Jan 30, 2020, 10:31
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Crackdown 3 was a killer app for the Xbox One because I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who bought an Xbox One to play it.
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Jan 30, 2020, 10:26
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Jan 30, 2020, 10:26
 
I think kxmode doesn't truly grasp what a "killer app" is and constantly referring to a single Wikipedia article isn't exactly a stellar, irrefutable source of authority.

Glide was a "killer app" (although, technically, it was an API) because it brought wholesale, sweeping changes to the PC market place and ushered in 3D gaming as we know it in a relatively short amount of time. It has historical evidence to prove that it was a watershed moment. You can literally define what PC gaming was like before and after its release in a clear, unambiguous demarcation.

Here we're talking about an unreleased title with a technology that has yet to have its watershed moment for a variety of reasons. A, thus far, one time bump in sales of peripheral hardware doesn't make it either a "killer app" or a watershed moment. When it fully revolutionizes the PC and console gaming markets and makes the hardware necessary to enjoy it for a large percentage of the population who owns either a PC, a console, or both, then you can call it a "killer app".

Until then, it's just so much breathless bloviating for what is still a technology that is in its infancy.
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Jan 30, 2020, 09:52
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 30, 2020, 09:33:
Drayth wrote on Jan 30, 2020, 09:05:
Beamer wrote on Jan 30, 2020, 08:02:
I think the moral of the story is that you can't make a sweeping statement off of one data point.
Beamer wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 12:54:
This will be my only post here

am I doing this right?

I know, I know, but by now, it's like everyone making a longer version of that post, so I distilled it.
No, they're making longer versions off the title of the post that could have easily read "X-Mas Spurs Holiday Sales". Of course it would have generated less clicks.
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Jan 30, 2020, 09:48
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Jan 30, 2020, 09:48
 Prez
 
Drayth wrote on Jan 30, 2020, 09:43:
My post was purely for levity.

I thought it was cute.
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Jan 30, 2020, 09:46
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Jan 30, 2020, 09:46
 Beamer
 
Drayth wrote on Jan 30, 2020, 09:43:
My post was purely for levity.

I know, but, at the same time, I knew something like it was coming, haha.


Dammit, now I'm at 4.
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My post was purely for levity.
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Jan 30, 2020, 09:33
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Jan 30, 2020, 09:33
 Beamer
 
Drayth wrote on Jan 30, 2020, 09:05:
Beamer wrote on Jan 30, 2020, 08:02:
I think the moral of the story is that you can't make a sweeping statement off of one data point.
Beamer wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 12:54:
This will be my only post here

am I doing this right?

I know, I know, but by now, it's like everyone making a longer version of that post, so I distilled it.
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Jan 30, 2020, 09:29
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Prez wrote on Jan 30, 2020, 07:47:
jdreyer wrote on Jan 30, 2020, 02:06:
RedEye9 wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 23:20:
Prez wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 22:45:
I accept that you're wrong and are simply too ... dense to realize it.
Prez wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 09:58:
Bringing up a person's intelligence in a discussion thread is reductive and uncalled for.
You were expecting consistency?? THIS. IS. BLUE'S NEWS!!! Devil

I'm not singling out Prez. It's just the nature of comment threads on this site are such that it's impossible not to find yourself twisted around backwards within a 40 comment thread.

In my defense I was referring to the act of being willfully dense, which is basically a conscious choice one makes when they kind of know they're defending a weak position and just pretend that it's unassailable. I wasn't intending on remarking on anyone's intelligence as it's not something one can gauge accurately in a chat thread. Admittedly the wording I used didn't impart that well. That's what I get for chatting right before bed.

unsnipped version.

I accept that you're wrong and are simply too stubborn to admit it, or too dense to realize it.

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Jan 30, 2020, 09:05
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 30, 2020, 08:02:
I think the moral of the story is that you can't make a sweeping statement off of one data point.
Beamer wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 12:54:
This will be my only post here

am I doing this right?
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Jan 30, 2020, 08:02
 Beamer
 
I think the moral of the story is that you can't make a sweeping statement off of one data point.
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Jan 30, 2020, 07:47
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 Prez
 
jdreyer wrote on Jan 30, 2020, 02:06:
RedEye9 wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 23:20:
Prez wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 22:45:
I accept that you're wrong and are simply too ... dense to realize it.
Prez wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 09:58:
Bringing up a person's intelligence in a discussion thread is reductive and uncalled for.
You were expecting consistency?? THIS. IS. BLUE'S NEWS!!! Devil

I'm not singling out Prez. It's just the nature of comment threads on this site are such that it's impossible not to find yourself twisted around backwards within a 40 comment thread.

In my defense I was referring to the act of being willfully dense, which is basically a conscious choice one makes when they kind of know they're defending a weak position and just pretend that it's unassailable. I wasn't intending on remarking on anyone's intelligence as it's not something one can gauge accurately in a chat thread. Admittedly the wording I used didn't impart that well. That's what I get for chatting right before bed.

Also you gotta love how Redeye snipped the comment, changing the context. As least he is consistent - he does that shit all the time.
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Jan 30, 2020, 07:17
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jdreyer wrote on Jan 30, 2020, 02:01:
You could be right, on the other hand "correlation is not causation."
I agree. In fact, I wonder if the popularity of the quest has been driving general VR popularity and that's more of what we are seeing.
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Zero Punctuation recently reviewed Boneworks which is a VR game very close to what HL: Alyx could be, so it might not be as special as many people assume. Also killer app or not, it's clear that Valve only made this to boost their VR sales and probably not because they wanted to make another HL game so it might well end up dissappointing. Now HL3 or HL2: EP3 would have been a real killer app for VR :)!
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Jan 30, 2020, 02:06
 
RedEye9 wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 23:20:
Prez wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 22:45:
I accept that you're wrong and are simply too ... dense to realize it.
Prez wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 09:58:
Bringing up a person's intelligence in a discussion thread is reductive and uncalled for.
You were expecting consistency?? THIS. IS. BLUE'S NEWS!!! Devil

I'm not singling out Prez. It's just the nature of comment threads on this site are such that it's impossible not to find yourself twisted around backwards within a 40 comment thread.
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Kxmode wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 22:32:
sliv wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 19:24:
It doesn't matter if Valve purchased a studio or they made the game themselves. Those are all proximity to the stated fact that an application ("Half-Life: Alyx") is directly responsible for a large spike in VR hardware purchases across different brands. HLA has become a catalyst for VR adoption.

We bought two Oculus Quests for our sons for Christmas, after the HL:A trailer came out. Not because it came out but because it was Christmas time. You can't claim that VR headset sales increase solely because of HL:A trailer. Oculus Quest comes with Vader Immortal Ep 1 - 3 included which may have contributed as well. We had already decided that was our boys Christmas gifts prior to that so even it didn't drive our decision.

Also, our boys request for the Quest wasn't based on HL either, they don't even know about it. (they're 11 and 7) Vader Immortal wasn't even a reasons either. Beat Saber, Job Simulator, and a few other games were on the top of their list. They're actually really excited about Echo Arena which we're still waiting to be released.

Yes. I can. The headline for this thread quite literally reads, "Half-Life: Alyx Spurs Index Sales," which is backed by respected market intelligence.

"Valve sold 149K Index headsets in 2019. Sales more than doubled from Q3 to Q4 (103K) thanks to anticipation for Half-Life: Alyx, which was announced in November and is slated to arrive in March. The Index sold more units than any other PC VR headset during the quarter despite a steep price of up to $1000. It would have sold even more if not for inventory issues (the device is currently sold out worldwide)."

I'm not posting projection-based hearsay. I've based my comments on substantive data. The numbers come from SuperData and there's an unchallenged entry on the Wikipedia "Killer Application" article that links to a verified and respected source. It would be best if you guys stopped now and just accept Half-Life: Alyx as a "killer app" for the Index and VR in general.

You could be right, on the other hand "correlation is not causation."
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Prez wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 22:45:
I accept that you're wrong and are simply too ... dense to realize it.
Prez wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 09:58:
Bringing up a person's intelligence in a discussion thread is reductive and uncalled for.
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 Prez
 
I accept that you're wrong and are simply too stubborn to admit it, or too dense to realize it. Either way, go on being wrong. Who knows, however many years from now when the game finally ships, it may be awesome enough to usher in a huge wave of VR penetration into the mainstream, in which case you will have been retroactively, but entirely accidentally, correct. Until then, like I said, you being wrong doesn't bother me at all. It's entirely your right.
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Jan 29, 2020, 22:36
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Prez wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 20:06:
Kxmode wrote on Jan 29, 2020, 17:50:

It's exceedingly frustrating when I repeatedly state a killer app is the only thing that will push a large pool of people to adopt VR technology. Then when it happens, and there's evidence, you tell me I'm wrong for calling it that. I know WHAT a killer app is. It's the catalyst for platform adoption....

Okay so you know what a killer app is. The sticking point is how you're defining it. Being that it's more of an industry colloquialism than a word with centuries of history the definition can be a little more fluid. So I can't tell you your flat-out incorrect labeling HL Alyx a killer app despite you being virtually the only one who would consider it as such this early. I completely disagree with you that at this early stage you can point to Alyx, a game that has not - and let's face it, possibly just won't ever - shipped and has thus far been loosely attributed to moving an extra 50 thousand ( an utterly paltry sum in the big scheme of things) units of hardware being a killer app. By any metric it isn't. At least not yet. Hell even Superdata XR, the leading market analytics provider is not calling it that. They are pointing to the numbers and saying it has the possibility of being a killer app. That's a maybe. IF it ships and IF it's a game changer.

At any rate, I'm tired of debating semantics. You being wrong won't ruin my evening or anything. Have at it I say!

There's nothing to debate. You simply refuse to accept what is true. That's not on me, that's on you.
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