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Orogogus wrote on Jan 10, 2020, 18:48:
Can you cite a different fire that wasn't "way less than current" area burnt?
ventry wrote on Jan 10, 2020, 18:24:Beamer wrote on Jan 10, 2020, 10:21:
So yes, these fires are unprecedented. They've destroyed thousands of homes, over 50x more than the fire he's claiming makes this fire dull and boring.
As usual.. You totally missed the point.
I was not downplaying the current fires.
The media have been completely off their tits over this one. (especially the far left ABC)
No. They are not unprecedented.
Black Saturday Bushfires: 7th Feb - 14th Mar 2009
450,000 hectares burnt. (way less than current)
2,029+ houses, 2,000 other structures.
and the big one.... 173 people killed.
The current fire 25. (hopefully no more)
Beamer wrote on Jan 10, 2020, 10:21:
So yes, these fires are unprecedented. They've destroyed thousands of homes, over 50x more than the fire he's claiming makes this fire dull and boring.
Prez wrote on Jan 10, 2020, 10:16:Beamer wrote on Jan 10, 2020, 09:43:ventry wrote on Jan 9, 2020, 18:02:Prez wrote on Jan 9, 2020, 12:52:
Concerning the Australia bushfires, I was skeptical of the arsonist emergency claim to begin with. Regardless, ot seems to me that what started the fires is not nearly as important as what is causing them to propagate. I had always heard that modern day Australia used the same controlled burning technique passed down from the Aborigines. Depending on who you believe, the controlled burns that would have prevented what is currently happening from being as devastating as it is didn't happen because 1) the greens in their increased enviromental fanaticism are preventing too many controlled burns for dubious reasons, or 2) the climate has changed to the point that the excess dryness and wind occur too often to allow the burns to be safely conducted. Pick your poison I guess. Either way what is happening is terrible beyond words.
Also the other irritating part is the left wing media here constantly spouting that these summer bushfires are "unprecedented".
That is absolute bullshit.
Currently the estimate is about 10.7 Million hectares burnt.
Back in the summer of 1974-75 almost 106 Million hectares burnt across 5 states.
If it's "climate change" now, what was it then when it was almost 10 times worse??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushfires_in_Australia
I also love how Wikipedia has grouped all the current fires together to make the scary number while the '74-'75 season are divided into separate states.
Here in Australia during summer we have bushfires EVERY year. Most aren't that big but, every 15 - 20 years we have a couple of big ones.
And yes, in some states farmers are actually fined for clearing combustible undergrowth in forests bordering their property. (The greenies didn't want them disturbing the habitat of insects, snakes, small mammals, etc. Well, they are all burnt up now. congratulations.)
I believe California had a similar issue with their recent wildfires. (unchecked undergrowth I mean. Correct me if I am wrong)
Probably because 40 homes got destroyed in 1874-75, whereas it's 2200 homes and counting now.
Which would lead you to believe there's a difference in how and where these fires are burning, but I dunno, maybe facts care about ventry's feelings?
According to census stats I've found, the population of Australia was around 16 million in the 1970's (you put 1874-5 but I assume you are referring to the same time period Ventry referenced) and over 33 million in 2010. So population density being vastly higher would surely factor into the prompt jump in homes destroyed by the most recent fires. You know, you could try not being so contentious with everyone who posts stuff that you don't agree with. Just saying...
Beamer wrote on Jan 10, 2020, 09:43:ventry wrote on Jan 9, 2020, 18:02:Prez wrote on Jan 9, 2020, 12:52:
Concerning the Australia bushfires, I was skeptical of the arsonist emergency claim to begin with. Regardless, ot seems to me that what started the fires is not nearly as important as what is causing them to propagate. I had always heard that modern day Australia used the same controlled burning technique passed down from the Aborigines. Depending on who you believe, the controlled burns that would have prevented what is currently happening from being as devastating as it is didn't happen because 1) the greens in their increased enviromental fanaticism are preventing too many controlled burns for dubious reasons, or 2) the climate has changed to the point that the excess dryness and wind occur too often to allow the burns to be safely conducted. Pick your poison I guess. Either way what is happening is terrible beyond words.
Also the other irritating part is the left wing media here constantly spouting that these summer bushfires are "unprecedented".
That is absolute bullshit.
Currently the estimate is about 10.7 Million hectares burnt.
Back in the summer of 1974-75 almost 106 Million hectares burnt across 5 states.
If it's "climate change" now, what was it then when it was almost 10 times worse??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushfires_in_Australia
I also love how Wikipedia has grouped all the current fires together to make the scary number while the '74-'75 season are divided into separate states.
Here in Australia during summer we have bushfires EVERY year. Most aren't that big but, every 15 - 20 years we have a couple of big ones.
And yes, in some states farmers are actually fined for clearing combustible undergrowth in forests bordering their property. (The greenies didn't want them disturbing the habitat of insects, snakes, small mammals, etc. Well, they are all burnt up now. congratulations.)
I believe California had a similar issue with their recent wildfires. (unchecked undergrowth I mean. Correct me if I am wrong)
Probably because 40 homes got destroyed in 1874-75, whereas it's 2200 homes and counting now.
Which would lead you to believe there's a difference in how and where these fires are burning, but I dunno, maybe facts care about ventry's feelings?
ventry wrote on Jan 9, 2020, 18:02:Prez wrote on Jan 9, 2020, 12:52:
Concerning the Australia bushfires, I was skeptical of the arsonist emergency claim to begin with. Regardless, ot seems to me that what started the fires is not nearly as important as what is causing them to propagate. I had always heard that modern day Australia used the same controlled burning technique passed down from the Aborigines. Depending on who you believe, the controlled burns that would have prevented what is currently happening from being as devastating as it is didn't happen because 1) the greens in their increased enviromental fanaticism are preventing too many controlled burns for dubious reasons, or 2) the climate has changed to the point that the excess dryness and wind occur too often to allow the burns to be safely conducted. Pick your poison I guess. Either way what is happening is terrible beyond words.
Also the other irritating part is the left wing media here constantly spouting that these summer bushfires are "unprecedented".
That is absolute bullshit.
Currently the estimate is about 10.7 Million hectares burnt.
Back in the summer of 1974-75 almost 106 Million hectares burnt across 5 states.
If it's "climate change" now, what was it then when it was almost 10 times worse??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushfires_in_Australia
I also love how Wikipedia has grouped all the current fires together to make the scary number while the '74-'75 season are divided into separate states.
Here in Australia during summer we have bushfires EVERY year. Most aren't that big but, every 15 - 20 years we have a couple of big ones.
And yes, in some states farmers are actually fined for clearing combustible undergrowth in forests bordering their property. (The greenies didn't want them disturbing the habitat of insects, snakes, small mammals, etc. Well, they are all burnt up now. congratulations.)
I believe California had a similar issue with their recent wildfires. (unchecked undergrowth I mean. Correct me if I am wrong)
Prez wrote on Jan 9, 2020, 12:52:
Concerning the Australia bushfires, I was skeptical of the arsonist emergency claim to begin with. Regardless, ot seems to me that what started the fires is not nearly as important as what is causing them to propagate. I had always heard that modern day Australia used the same controlled burning technique passed down from the Aborigines. Depending on who you believe, the controlled burns that would have prevented what is currently happening from being as devastating as it is didn't happen because 1) the greens in their increased enviromental fanaticism are preventing too many controlled burns for dubious reasons, or 2) the climate has changed to the point that the excess dryness and wind occur too often to allow the burns to be safely conducted. Pick your poison I guess. Either way what is happening is terrible beyond words.
British Nazi set self on fire trying to burn down synagogue.
Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 9, 2020, 12:16:Must be money well spent because alcohol harms the economy and the human body more than any other chemical.RedEye9 wrote on Jan 9, 2020, 12:00:
Bizarre world we live in when alcohol deaths equal fentanyl o.d.'s but one is considered a health crisis and the other is shrugged off.
One has a lobby willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars and the other does not. Pretty simple math.
RedEye9 wrote on Jan 9, 2020, 12:00:Makes perfect sense, one is legal the other isn't. One has thousands of years of tradition behind it, the other doesn't. These days in the US, sugar is getting more severely abused than alcohol...
Bizarre world we live in when alcohol deaths equal fentanyl o.d.'s but one is considered a health crisis and the other is shrugged off.
Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 9, 2020, 12:16:RedEye9 wrote on Jan 9, 2020, 12:00:
Bizarre world we live in when alcohol deaths equal fentanyl o.d.'s but one is considered a health crisis and the other is shrugged off.
One has a lobby willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars and the other does not. Pretty simple math.
RedEye9 wrote on Jan 9, 2020, 12:00:
Bizarre world we live in when alcohol deaths equal fentanyl o.d.'s but one is considered a health crisis and the other is shrugged off.