CthulhuFan wrote on Jan 8, 2020, 11:05:
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Jan 7, 2020, 12:57:That seems pretty self entitled. Somebody creates something and decides to hire labor in order to make it bigger and more successful. Laborers contract with the owner for employment as in both parties agree to the terms. Unless it's in your agreement with your employer, you don't deserve anything other than what you contracted for.
Here is the self destructive mentality common in non-millionaire people these days, mostly in the US, but other countries also. "Screw Unions, I want to be fired at any time, for any reason, and work 7 days a week, 60 hours a day for no extra pay!"
Safety and other things are certainly topics/needs properly addressed by grass roots temporary unionization but long standing unions are a scam and harm both employees and employers not to mention entire local community economies.
This is overly simplistic.
First off, very little in America is owned by the people that created it anymore. Exceedingly little. It's almost all owned by institutional shareholders, and run by people brought in for a few years. The entire thing is built on the backs of the people doing the daily grudgery, not the people at the top (and this is coming from someone at the top.)
Second off, there's no balance of power in employment contracts. There is an excess of workers, far more than positions. You can't truly negotiate for more, because the people you're talking to don't have that power. I put in for an open req, have to justify it to my finance team, they come back with a level it's for and a salary for that level, and I find someone that fits that. Do you want more? Sorry. Did you do a great job and want a promotion? Sorry, our shareholders only approved an X% increase in G&A, meaning I can only divvy out a certain number of promotions. Don't like it? Leave. Oh, but you need to pay your rent or mortgage, so you won't do it anytime soon. I, meanwhile, can absorb a loss in one person, or five people, and pretty quickly hire from people annoyed at the lack of power in their current situation elsewhere.
Oh, wait, even though my division crushed it last year, the two much larger ones didn't. Now we have a bonus freeze, promotion freeze, and hiring freeze. That bonus? Dead, sorry. That promotion? We'll get back to it next year. Oh, the two people next to you found new jobs over this? Well, hiring freeze, we can't backfill them, but their work still needs to get done, so have it on my desk by noon, plus keep doing your day job. Oh, and again, even though we killed it, the company is doing layoffs, and I need to pick 3 of you to go.
No company would be where it is without smart, loyal, innovative employees, but somehow we don't glorify the work they're doing, but the guy at the top earning exponentially more than them.
We've weirdly gone from thinking Ebeneezer Scrooge is a villain to thinking he was a smart business man stuck with greedy workers constantly demanding more from him.