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19. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 30, 2019, 05:42 Burrito of Peace
 
CJ_Parker wrote on Dec 30, 2019, 04:23:
OK, Linux maybe because of its awesome Penguin sauce but that won't happen on Windows.

Which is why I mentioned the OS I am seeing it on.

CJ_Parker wrote on Dec 30, 2019, 04:23:

What I would really love to see in the future is:

1) Three to four m.2 slots on the mainboards becoming the norm.
2) Mainboard makers moving the PCIe slots to the back of the board which would help tremendously with temperatures.

That would be lovely but it won't happen until:

1. NVMe drives come way down in price per GB so that even the budget boxes from Dell, HP, etc are using them as their default drives. Thus making them as ubiquitous as SSDs (which aren't very ubiquitous at all in lower end boxes).
2. SATA ports are either reduced or eliminated all together to free up silicon layers for different trace routes.

I'd prefer it if I could get a motherboard with zero SATA ports, 1 x16 PCI-e slot, and zero other PCI-e slots which would free up tons of space and tracing paths for 4+ m2 slots.
 
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18. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 30, 2019, 04:23 CJ_Parker
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Dec 29, 2019, 08:40:
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 21:27:
The instant I tasted ssd speed I knew there was no going back to the farm.

Wait until you get a taste of PCI-E 4.0 NVMe speeds.

Sub 3 second boot times from when the system clears POST. On Linux, natch.

OK, Linux maybe because of its awesome Penguin sauce but that won't happen on Windows. I've gone from a 1TB Samsung 840EVO SATA SSD to a 1TB Samsung 970EVO Plus NVMe SSD as my boot drive last year and it did fuck all in terms of boot speed. There was no noticeable performance increase at all but I still feel it was a worthwhile upgrade because I have near zero cables in my PC now.
I have two PCIe 1TB Samsung 970EVOs (the other is the non-Plus variant) and the only drive left with cables is the 4TB 860EVO for backup & data.

What I would really love to see in the future is:

1) Three to four m.2 slots on the mainboards becoming the norm.
2) Mainboard makers moving the PCIe slots to the back of the board which would help tremendously with temperatures. Or as a first step at least move all of the slots to the bottom of the board. The upper slot is just not going to be a viable option when we move to drives that exhaust the full potential of nearly 8GB/s PCIe 4.0 drives. The upper slot is getting too much hot air from the graphics card and the CPU currently.
In my system the difference in idle is currently a full 15C (granted, the drive in the upper slot is the Plus variant of the 970EVO which runs slightly hotter by default), The upper drive is at 43C and the other one at 28C. The 860EVO which I have mounted to the back of the case is only sitting at 23C. Mainboard makers need to move the m.2 slots to the back!
 
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17. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 29, 2019, 21:31 Creston
 
Overmann wrote on Dec 29, 2019, 18:52:
Once long ago it crashed on me (which was a pretty normal thing for it) and when I rebooted, the silly thing was stuck in Dutch... Like everything. I went to the language settings and changed it back to English, but it wouldn't have it. I ended up reinstalling it just to get English back.

Lol, even I wouldn't keep my Windows in Dutch. It's so annoying.
 
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16. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 29, 2019, 18:52 Overmann
 
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 29, 2019, 10:18:
What did they do to increase MEs boot speed?
I don't know why it is, all I can tell you is that its really fast. Every pc I've installed it on it's super quick to boot. And it has a nice startup sound.

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 29, 2019, 10:18:
I skipped mistake edition and went from 98SE to 2k.
That was a good decision. ME was so stupid buggy. Once long ago it crashed on me (which was a pretty normal thing for it) and when I rebooted, the silly thing was stuck in Dutch... Like everything. I went to the language settings and changed it back to English, but it wouldn't have it. I ended up reinstalling it just to get English back.

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 29, 2019, 10:18:
I remember XP booting pretty fast off of striped raid.

Microsoft created the hybrid hibernation startup file with the advent of Fast Boot in 8.0. It works ok until it corrupts and you cant save an excel spreadsheet or talk to the printer or open word or... Requiring a restart to delete the hybrid file and rebuild it.
Interesting. Or I suppose you could turn off fast boot. I can't say I recall having that problem though.
 
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15. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 29, 2019, 10:18 RedEye9
 
Overmann wrote on Dec 29, 2019, 09:31:
It just reminded me of Windows ME. Buggy as all get out, but that thing sure could boot fast.
What did they do to increase MEs boot speed?
I skipped mistake edition and went from 98SE to 2k.
I remember XP booting pretty fast off of striped raid.

Microsoft created the hybrid hibernation startup file with the advent of Fast Boot in 8.0. It works ok until it corrupts and you cant save an excel spreadsheet or talk to the printer or open word or... Requiring a restart to delete the hybrid file and rebuild it.
 
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14. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 29, 2019, 09:31 Overmann
 
Creston wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 22:59:
Remember that very first time you booted your Windows PC off an SSD?

It just reminded me of Windows ME. Buggy as all get out, but that thing sure could boot fast.
 
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13. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 29, 2019, 08:40 Burrito of Peace
 
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 21:27:
The instant I tasted ssd speed I knew there was no going back to the farm.

Wait until you get a taste of PCI-E 4.0 NVMe speeds.

Sub 3 second boot times from when the system clears POST. On Linux, natch.
 
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12. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 29, 2019, 02:20 jdreyer
 
necrosis wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 20:05:
I love how the console crowd is treating SSD's like its the new holy grail... that has been around for over 10 years.

The upside to this is that CJ will have to stop spelling it "conslow."
 
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11. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 29, 2019, 00:55 MattyC
 
necrosis wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 20:05:
I love how the console crowd is treating SSD's like its the new holy grail... that has been around for over 10 years.

I don't know that it is the 'console crowd' so much as the big two console players. Even the current gen use 5400 RPM drives IIRC. Many people used external USB drives just to avoid the loading agony of those geriatric platters...
 
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10. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 28, 2019, 22:59 Creston
 
necrosis wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 20:05:
I love how the console crowd is treating SSD's like its the new holy grail... that has been around for over 10 years.

True, but let's be honest, it's by far the most amazing upgrade the consoles have ever gotten.

Remember that very first time you booted your Windows PC off an SSD? And you'd get to the desktop, and that fucking wheel stopped spinning after like 3 seconds instead of the three minutes it usually took?

I think the first day, I opened up every taskbar icon in rapid succession a dozen times, just giggling at how fast it all went. (I was easily amused. )
 
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9. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 28, 2019, 22:50 Beamer
 
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 21:27:
CJ_Parker wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 21:15:
necrosis wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 20:05:
I love how the console crowd is treating SSD's like its the new holy grail... that has been around for over 10 years.

Such is the life of the peasants...
Im still using the 128gb Samsung 840 Pro I bought many moons ago.
The instant I tasted ssd speed I knew there was no going back to the farm.
It was shortly thereafter If a customers hard drive failed Id only replace it with a solid state disk.

That 840 is my Steam SSD. I bought a 512mb SSD as my boot when I built a new PC in 2016, but pulled the 840 that was the old boot HD and repurposed it.
 



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8. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 28, 2019, 21:27 RedEye9
 
CJ_Parker wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 21:15:
necrosis wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 20:05:
I love how the console crowd is treating SSD's like its the new holy grail... that has been around for over 10 years.

Such is the life of the peasants...
Im still using the 128gb Samsung 840 Pro I bought many moons ago.
The instant I tasted ssd speed I knew there was no going back to the farm.
It was shortly thereafter If a customers hard drive failed Id only replace it with a solid state disk.
 
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7. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 28, 2019, 21:15 CJ_Parker
 
necrosis wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 20:05:
I love how the console crowd is treating SSD's like its the new holy grail... that has been around for over 10 years.

Such is the life of the peasants...
 
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6. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 28, 2019, 20:05 necrosis
 
I love how the console crowd is treating SSD's like its the new holy grail... that has been around for over 10 years.  
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5. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 28, 2019, 19:05 MattyC
 
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 16:26:
Someone needs to tell Chris Roberts that SSDs will improve the fidelity and scope of Schtar Sitizen.

Since it wont delay the release, I heard they are holding out for Adamantine plated quantum holographic super mega storage.
 
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4. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 28, 2019, 18:46 jacobvandy
 
Play something like Rise of the Tomb Raider and imagine what it could be like without all of those transitional loading tropes. The elevators, the slowly crawling through crevices, the fucking knee deep mud puddles for you to trudge through... Those levels are relatively small and still need all that wizardry to function smoothly. And that's only one aspect of the huge bottleneck that is mechanical storage.  
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3. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 28, 2019, 17:49 Creston
 
CJ_Parker wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 16:55:
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 16:26:
Someone needs to tell Chris Roberts that SSDs will improve the fidelity and scope of Schtar Sitizen.

I think someone already has... remember the Intel Optane promo shit?

Oh yeah, Roberts was on that like stink.
 
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2. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 28, 2019, 16:55 CJ_Parker
 
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 28, 2019, 16:26:
Someone needs to tell Chris Roberts that SSDs will improve the fidelity and scope of Schtar Sitizen.

I think someone already has... remember the Intel Optane promo shit?
 
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1. Re: Saturday Multiplex Dec 28, 2019, 16:26 RedEye9
 
Someone needs to tell Chris Roberts that SSDs will improve the fidelity and scope of Schtar Sitizen.  
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