Burrito of Peace wrote on Dec 10, 2019, 09:35:
Jesus fuck, some of you assholes are un-fucking-believable with your misogynistic bullshit and MRA/incel beliefs.

wtf don’t you understand that women are bad
You’re probably an SJW libtart who thinks Woman’s Rights ARE Human Rights. You disgusting human with your correct human beliefs.
sigh

Jesus fuck, some of you assholes are un-fucking-believable with your misogynistic bullshit and MRA/incel beliefs.

Beamer wrote on Dec 10, 2019, 00:59:
Out comes the fragility, and cutter complaining that BioShock wjll be made political...

C'mon Beam. We can't have women being President developing video games. They might get PMS and launch all the nukes delete all the source code.

jccalhoun wrote on Dec 9, 2019, 23:00:
Shawn Elliott formerly of 1up and most recently of Arkane posted that he is the lead game designer on this. https://twitter.com/ShawnElliott/status/1204178417966432257 That makes me way more interested in this since he is a really smart guy and he worked on Bioshock Infinite and the Prey reboot which owed a lot of Bioshock.

Shawn was also the kind of guy to make it rain giant dildos in Second Life. Take that for what you will.

Kxmode wrote on Dec 9, 2019, 16:37:

"Kelley Gilmore, 'the first woman in 2K history to launch and lead a development studio.'"

A person's experience and accolades is what people should be noted for, not their gender. I thought we moved passed this nonsense.

In an ideal Star Trekkian world, I would agree. The US, however:
- Women only make 75% of a man's salary on average.
- US has never had a woman president.
- Only 7% of Fortune 500 companies have a female CEO.
Etc. Etc.
This kind of thing is still pretty rare. Still i agree that calling it out is probably a wrong move. And they DID mention her accolades before mentioning the woman part: "A 22-year industry veteran with more than 40 games shipped to date"

Out comes the fragility, and cutter complaining that BioShock wjll be made political...

the best they can come up with is 'first woman ?'

oh boy....

Shawn Elliott formerly of 1up and most recently of Arkane posted that he is the lead game designer on this. https://twitter.com/ShawnElliott/status/1204178417966432257 That makes me way more interested in this since he is a really smart guy and he worked on Bioshock Infinite and the Prey reboot which owed a lot of Bioshock.

Teddy wrote on Dec 9, 2019, 18:08:

Kxmode wrote on Dec 9, 2019, 16:37:

"Kelley Gilmore, 'the first woman in 2K history to launch and lead a development studio.'"

A person's experience and accolades is what people should be noted for, not their gender. I thought we moved passed this nonsense.

Which might be why that statement began with "Industry veteran". Funny that you chose to omit that part and then criticize the article for mentioning sex but not experience.

And for reference, she's from Firaxis, worked on the X-COM and Civilization franchises.

I didn't omit anything. I'm calling out that specific mention as stupid.

"A 22-year industry veteran with more than 40 games shipped to date" = good
"the first woman in 2K history" = bad

"A 22-year industry veteran with more than 40 games shipped to date, Kelley Gilmore will serve as Cloud Chamber’s Global Studio Head. Her wealth of experience transcends executive production, marketing direction and public relations management, including nearly two decades of service to another of 2K’s wholly owned studios, Firaxis Games, on franchises such as Sid Meier’s Civilization® and XCOM®. Her role is based in Novato."

This revised paragraph praises her experience and accolades, and says nothing about her gender. It's not important.

Kxmode wrote on Dec 9, 2019, 16:37:

"Kelley Gilmore, 'the first woman in 2K history to launch and lead a development studio.'"

A person's experience and accolades is what people should be noted for, not their gender. I thought we moved passed this nonsense.

Which might be why that statement began with "Industry veteran". Funny that you chose to omit that part and then criticize the article for mentioning sex but not experience.

And for reference, she's from Firaxis, worked on the X-COM and Civilization franchises.

Cutter wrote on Dec 9, 2019, 16:45:
Which means this game is just going to be so much PC nonsense.

Probably. Sad.

"I have a dream that women and little girls will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the gender of their sex but by the accolades of their character."

Kxmode wrote on Dec 9, 2019, 16:37:

"Kelley Gilmore, 'the first woman in 2K history to launch and lead a development studio.'"

A person's experience and accolades is what people should be noted for, not their gender. I thought we moved passed this nonsense.

Which means this game is just going to be so much PC nonsense.

"Kelley Gilmore, 'the first woman in 2K history to launch and lead a development studio.'"

A person's experience and accolades is what people should be noted for, not their gender. I thought we moved passed this nonsense.

Why is it so hard for publishers to understand that single player franchise usually lose much more than they gain when they lose their core development team (or in some cases individual). Pretty much the same as books in most cases. Exceptions happen but game development seems like an expensive gamble.

Zero fuXX given after the abysmal Infinite fuckup.

Bioshock withOUT Ken Levine and the gang is not Bioshock.

Also 2K, so undoubtedly filled with many joyful microtransactions. Buy your BioBucks now!


Edit : D'oh. I meant without, not with.

This comment was edited on Dec 9, 2019, 17:47.

Dear Cloud Chamber team, please make a game that is so great that it puts me on Cloud 9!

Dear 2K, please no cloud based game as a service with many "surprise mechanics"! Thanks in advance!

Yours truly,
a potential customer

Big name franchise I.P. --> put in hands of new people = Mass Effect : Andromeda


Sometimes getting a fresh view on something is a good idea.... but awfully tricky .
They are taking a big gamble ...

Hopefully they can go back to the drawing board on the gameplay of Bioshock. Storytelling has never been an issue but they've never really evolved the basic gameplay in a satisfying way since the original.