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bigspender wrote on Dec 7, 2019, 17:51:Kxmode wrote on Dec 7, 2019, 01:38:
I was thinking more along the lines of Monsanto's Frankinseeds and Round-Up. Things like this. There's evidence Bayer and Monsanto's products create Colony Collapse Disorder, which is a big deal considering bees pollinate 80% of the world's plants including 90 different food crops.
Oh yeah man, Monsanto's GMO stuff is insane. They've even managed to destroy soil somehow. Killing dirt, that's impressive.
Kxmode wrote on Dec 7, 2019, 01:38:bigspender wrote on Dec 6, 2019, 17:06:Kxmode wrote on Dec 6, 2019, 16:22:Dash wrote on Dec 6, 2019, 03:10:Kxmode wrote on Dec 5, 2019, 19:30:
"Fake Meat vs. Real Meat. Meat producers looking out for your health." They sure are!
... 'Onion News Network'. Eh. Weird how they're working towards lab-grown meat.
Pretty sure that's going to have a long term negative effect on the human body.
Like normal meat does?
There's 500 studies every year (since 1974) showing how meat damages the human body. You of course never hear about them unless you happen to read a range of medical journals (and who the hell does that? lol). But the news certainly doesn't report on it, because it would hurt their sponsors, and also the audience isn't anywhere near scientifically literate enough to understand the details (I struggle myself sometimes since I'm not a doctor).
The nice thing about lab grown meat is that they'll be able to remove the things that cause us harm, however, I have a feeling it will impact the taste. Like PHJF said, it's the fat that makes things taste good. But perhaps they'll be able to remove all of the mammalian hormones from the meat, such as the naturally occurring estrogen.
They also won't have to pump the meat full of anti-biotics (99% of antibiotics in the world are used by farms yay)
What I assume will happen is that people will buy lab grown meat as pet food, because people lovers probably like the idea of not having to kill other animals to feed their own. So that might be one way to test for any potential health effects.
I was thinking more along the lines of Monsanto's Frankinseeds and Round-Up. Things like this. There's evidence Bayer and Monsanto's products create Colony Collapse Disorder, which is a big deal considering bees pollinate 80% of the world's plants including 90 different food crops.
bigspender wrote on Dec 6, 2019, 17:06:Kxmode wrote on Dec 6, 2019, 16:22:Dash wrote on Dec 6, 2019, 03:10:Kxmode wrote on Dec 5, 2019, 19:30:
"Fake Meat vs. Real Meat. Meat producers looking out for your health." They sure are!
... 'Onion News Network'. Eh. Weird how they're working towards lab-grown meat.
Pretty sure that's going to have a long term negative effect on the human body.
Like normal meat does?
There's 500 studies every year (since 1974) showing how meat damages the human body. You of course never hear about them unless you happen to read a range of medical journals (and who the hell does that? lol). But the news certainly doesn't report on it, because it would hurt their sponsors, and also the audience isn't anywhere near scientifically literate enough to understand the details (I struggle myself sometimes since I'm not a doctor).
The nice thing about lab grown meat is that they'll be able to remove the things that cause us harm, however, I have a feeling it will impact the taste. Like PHJF said, it's the fat that makes things taste good. But perhaps they'll be able to remove all of the mammalian hormones from the meat, such as the naturally occurring estrogen.
They also won't have to pump the meat full of anti-biotics (99% of antibiotics in the world are used by farms yay)
What I assume will happen is that people will buy lab grown meat as pet food, because people lovers probably like the idea of not having to kill other animals to feed their own. So that might be one way to test for any potential health effects.
Kxmode wrote on Dec 5, 2019, 19:30:That was one of the best onions I've ever seen.
"Fake Meat vs. Real Meat. Meat producers looking out for your health." They sure are!
Kxmode wrote on Dec 6, 2019, 16:22:Dash wrote on Dec 6, 2019, 03:10:Kxmode wrote on Dec 5, 2019, 19:30:
"Fake Meat vs. Real Meat. Meat producers looking out for your health." They sure are!
... 'Onion News Network'. Eh. Weird how they're working towards lab-grown meat.
Pretty sure that's going to have a long term negative effect on the human body.
PHJF wrote on Dec 6, 2019, 07:54:
My GF has been vegetarian for some time, and since everything I cook I cook for the both of us, I haven't actually cooked meat in a long while. We are trying not to eat out as often in an effort to have better diets, so I find myself around meat less often. Easy to forgo something which isn't there.
We actually found ourselves in a Korean restaurant the other night (Koreans are famous meat addicts) and both settled on a vegetarian hot pot with tofu that wasn't that bad (they topped it with an egg so it at least had some kind of fatty flavor).
In my experience, the worst thing you can do trying to eat or prepare vegetarian food is attempt to mimic meat. It will never taste as good and will usually just turn you off vegetarianism. The only exceptions are Indian food (paneer cheese is delicious and can be used in place of meat for most any Indian entree) and fake beef crumbles, which can be used pretty effectively in Mexican dishes with enough seasoning. I make enchiladas and chili with Quorn, which has a far better texture to it than soy-based alternatives like Morningstar Farms or Boca.
Dash wrote on Dec 6, 2019, 03:10:Kxmode wrote on Dec 5, 2019, 19:30:
"Fake Meat vs. Real Meat. Meat producers looking out for your health." They sure are!
... 'Onion News Network'. Eh. Weird how they're working towards lab-grown meat.
PHJF wrote on Dec 6, 2019, 07:54:
My GF has been vegetarian for some time, and since everything I cook I cook for the both of us, I haven't actually cooked meat in a long while. We are trying not to eat out as often in an effort to have better diets, so I find myself around meat less often. Easy to forgo something which isn't there.
We actually found ourselves in a Korean restaurant the other night (Koreans are famous meat addicts) and both settled on a vegetarian hot pot with tofu that wasn't that bad (they topped it with an egg so it at least had some kind of fatty flavor).
In my experience, the worst thing you can do trying to eat or prepare vegetarian food is attempt to mimic meat. It will never taste as good and will usually just turn you off vegetarianism. The only exceptions are Indian food (paneer cheese is delicious and can be used in place of meat for most any Indian entree) and fake beef crumbles, which can be used pretty effectively in Mexican dishes with enough seasoning. I make enchiladas and chili with Quorn, which has a far better texture to it than soy-based alternatives like Morningstar Farms or Boca.
bigspender wrote on Dec 5, 2019, 19:39:jdreyer wrote on Dec 5, 2019, 19:11:PHJF wrote on Dec 5, 2019, 13:22:
Just went vegetarian myself... no turkey on turkey day
Curious to hear why, if you don't mind sharing.
If I had to bet it would be this https://www.netflix.com/au/title/81157840
Kxmode wrote on Dec 5, 2019, 19:30:
"Fake Meat vs. Real Meat. Meat producers looking out for your health." They sure are!
bigspender wrote on Dec 5, 2019, 19:46:Cutter wrote on Dec 5, 2019, 15:41:
Seeing as it's been years since I last put together a rig I have a question about RAM clock speeds. On the MSI X570 mobos I'm looking at the base speed is 2666Mhz but they support up to 4400Mhz. Yet I see a lot of people say it's really hard to get a stable system clocked out to the max like that. From all the research I've done 3600Mhz seems to be the sweet spot for stability and price/value. So should I stick with 3600 or go lower/higher? I'm really more concerned about stability than a tiny bit more speed. Thanks.
It really depends on the rest of your rig. There's tons of comparison videos on youtube with side by side performance numbers for whichever CPU/GPU you plan on getting.
It's not always worth getting the faster RAM, particularly if the price you pay isn't returned equally in performance. E.g. 5% performance from the ram might cost you another $200-300. Which is better spent on a faster CPU/GPU, or even just save it for an upgrade later on.
It also depends on what screen you are running. If you're doing 4K, and faster RAM is going to get you to the magic 60fps or above, then go for it. For 1080p, the difference between 100fps and 120 fps, is probably not particularly noticeable.
Cutter wrote on Dec 5, 2019, 15:41:
Seeing as it's been years since I last put together a rig I have a question about RAM clock speeds. On the MSI X570 mobos I'm looking at the base speed is 2666Mhz but they support up to 4400Mhz. Yet I see a lot of people say it's really hard to get a stable system clocked out to the max like that. From all the research I've done 3600Mhz seems to be the sweet spot for stability and price/value. So should I stick with 3600 or go lower/higher? I'm really more concerned about stability than a tiny bit more speed. Thanks.
jdreyer wrote on Dec 5, 2019, 19:11:PHJF wrote on Dec 5, 2019, 13:22:
Just went vegetarian myself... no turkey on turkey day
Curious to hear why, if you don't mind sharing.
PHJF wrote on Dec 5, 2019, 13:22:
Just went vegetarian myself... no turkey on turkey day
Fake Meat vs. Real Meat. Meat producers looking out for your health.