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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 27, 2019, 19:29
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 27, 2019, 19:29
Nov 27, 2019, 19:29
 
This is "social" justice...

Justice is that you pay a heavy price for the crime of murder, including surrendering a future where people are forced to pretend that you didn't murder someone. Is this guy allowed to omit that he is a convicted felon from job applications? What a fucking joke. Perhaps while they're at it, the courts can magically resurrect the dead so he didn't actually commit a crime.

Justice is a word that does not need a modifier, as it is an ideal and any manipulation of it dilutes it's true meaning.

ps. Good luck scrubbing anything from the net, the Streisand effect will take of that.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 27, 2019, 19:33
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 27, 2019, 19:33
Nov 27, 2019, 19:33
 
Asmodai wrote on Nov 27, 2019, 19:29:
This is "social" justice...

Justice is that you pay a heavy price for the crime of murder, including surrendering a future where people are forced to pretend that you didn't murder someone. Is this guy allowed to omit that he is a convicted felon from job applications? What a fucking joke. Perhaps while they're at it, the courts can magically resurrect the dead so he didn't actually commit a crime.

Justice is a word that does not need a modifier, as it is an ideal and any manipulation of it dilutes it's true meaning.

ps. Good luck scrubbing anything from the net, the Streisand effect will take of that.
Good luck finding it when Google can't link to it by law.
There were murderers before Sir Timothy John Berners-Lee came along.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 27, 2019, 20:42
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 27, 2019, 20:42
Nov 27, 2019, 20:42
 
Asmodai wrote on Nov 27, 2019, 19:29:
This is "social" justice...

Justice is that you pay a heavy price for the crime of murder, including surrendering a future where people are forced to pretend that you didn't murder someone. Is this guy allowed to omit that he is a convicted felon from job applications? What a fucking joke. Perhaps while they're at it, the courts can magically resurrect the dead so he didn't actually commit a crime.

Justice is a word that does not need a modifier, as it is an ideal and any manipulation of it dilutes it's true meaning.

ps. Good luck scrubbing anything from the net, the Streisand effect will take of that.

That's not how German (nor EU) legal nor punishment system works, and that's why we have the lowest murder rate, and the US, has the highest of any 1st world country on the planet. Including more people in jail than CHINA. A country with 6x more people.

And while you could argue that murderers should seriously never, ever get out of jail, ever. And I would be absolutely behind that if was premeditated murder. In reality once you serve your punishment you are legally in your right to demand to be handled like someone that may get a second chance in life to not be a total psycho.

Also the case is.. https://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-14355425.html extremely interesting and would be more akin to a mutiny than murder, including a captain that some might say, deserved to be mutinied against. Either way, the BBC gives you the short form, if you are not extremely adapt in German the Spiegel article from 1982 ! will be a hard-barrier, but it's one hell of a read.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 27, 2019, 21:20
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Nov 27, 2019, 21:20
 Cutter
 
Murderers shouldn't get life in prison, just the death penalty. Same with rapists/child molesters. In cases where there is zero doubt about their conviction they should be executed summarily. Take them out back of the courthouse to a firing squad. Done.

For whatever insane liberal reason they aren't executed the aforementioned convicts most certainly should never have the right to be forgotten for their heinous crimes. Yes, it should haunt them so long as they draw breath. There is no forgiveness for those sorts of crimes. And they warrant warning the rest of society about who they are and what they've done. Society needs and deserves that protection.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 27, 2019, 21:24
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 27, 2019, 21:24
Nov 27, 2019, 21:24
 
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 27, 2019, 23:23
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 27, 2019, 23:23
Nov 27, 2019, 23:23
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Cutter wrote on Nov 27, 2019, 21:20:
Murderers shouldn't get life in prison, just released into my town, where I live. Same with rapists/child molesters. In cases where there is zero doubt about their conviction they should be given a cash bonus and some Moulson. Take them out back of the courthouse to a bus. Done.

For whatever insane Zoroastrian reason they aren't allowed to be my best friends, the aforementioned convicts most certainly should never have the right to be treated like lesser beings for their understandable acts. No, we shouldn't hassle them so long as they draw cute doodles. There is no reward big enough for those sorts of drawings. And they warrant telling the rest of society about who they are and what they've done for them. Society needs and deserves that uplifting.

I'm not sure I agree, but you make an interesting argument.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 28, 2019, 01:22
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 28, 2019, 01:22
Nov 28, 2019, 01:22
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 27, 2019, 20:42:
And while you could argue that murderers should seriously never, ever get out of jail, ever. And I would be absolutely behind that if was premeditated murder. In reality once you serve your punishment you are legally in your right to demand to be handled like someone that may get a second chance in life to not be a total psycho.

I didn't mention sentencing, I mentioned consequences. I absolutely believe that once you serve your debt to society, you should not be held in prison indefinately. However, there are other life long effects of being a convicted murderer, eg. losing the right to vote, being required to declare your convicted felon status to employers. I find it impossible to be sympathetic to a fairly tried and convicted murderer who wants to escape the past.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 28, 2019, 01:24
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 28, 2019, 01:24
Nov 28, 2019, 01:24
 
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 27, 2019, 19:33:
Good luck finding it when Google can't link to it by law.
There were murderers before Sir Timothy John Berners-Lee came along.

German law, not "rest of the world" law. We know Google alters search results (certainly does for China...) and tries to assist with blanking out history, but the more people try to hide the truth, the more it tends to escape.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 28, 2019, 02:19
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 28, 2019, 02:19
Nov 28, 2019, 02:19
 
Asmodai wrote on Nov 28, 2019, 01:24:
We know Google alters search results (certainly does for China...)

Google has been blocked in China for almost 10 years.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 28, 2019, 11:15
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 28, 2019, 11:15
Nov 28, 2019, 11:15
 
It's even worse than not killing prisoners: we should give them college educations. Recidivism rates fall from 50% to 5% when you do that.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 28, 2019, 11:40
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 28, 2019, 11:40
Nov 28, 2019, 11:40
 
jdreyer wrote on Nov 28, 2019, 11:15:
It's even worse than not killing prisoners: we should give them college educations. Recidivism rates fall from 50% to 5% when you do that.
You know facts are no longer welcome in this world, why do you continue to spew them.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 28, 2019, 12:55
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 28, 2019, 12:55
Nov 28, 2019, 12:55
 
jdreyer wrote on Nov 28, 2019, 11:15:
It's even worse than not killing prisoners: we should give them college educations. Recidivism rates fall from 50% to 5% when you do that.

So you are saying if you want a paid for education that you should break the law and become a prisoner? What about the people trying to get that education without first becoming a prisoner?
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 28, 2019, 12:57
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 28, 2019, 12:57
Nov 28, 2019, 12:57
 
While I believe many, if not most, criminals can be rehabilitated (but it ain't easy or cheap), I also believe there are crimes which revoke that privilege. I'm not saying the crime in this case is or isn't appropriate for rehabilitation. I can't read German and the BBC article is light on the facts and context of the events. However I am concerned/wonder about the curtailment of the rights of others to continue to publicize the facts of the crime.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 28, 2019, 13:35
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 28, 2019, 13:35
Nov 28, 2019, 13:35
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 28, 2019, 12:57:
While I believe many, if not most, criminals can be rehabilitated (but it ain't easy or cheap), I also believe there are crimes which revoke that privilege. I'm not saying the crime in this case is or isn't appropriate for rehabilitation. I can't read German and the BBC article is light on the facts and context of the events. However I am concerned/wonder about the curtailment of the rights of others to continue to publicize the facts of the crime.
Google Translate does it for you.
Plus many of the other on-line translation services also offer that feature.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 28, 2019, 13:53
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 28, 2019, 13:53
Nov 28, 2019, 13:53
 
Yeah, I wasn't particularly interested in commenting on his specific crime, I'll stick with what I said.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 28, 2019, 16:35
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 28, 2019, 16:35
Nov 28, 2019, 16:35
 
The Half Elf wrote on Nov 28, 2019, 12:55:
jdreyer wrote on Nov 28, 2019, 11:15:
It's even worse than not killing prisoners: we should give them college educations. Recidivism rates fall from 50% to 5% when you do that.

So you are saying if you want a paid for education that you should break the law and become a prisoner? What about the people trying to get that education without first becoming a prisoner?

Most of the current crop of candidates for president are advocating for some form of free college, so yes, it should be available to anybody.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 28, 2019, 16:51
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 28, 2019, 16:51
Nov 28, 2019, 16:51
 
jdreyer wrote on Nov 28, 2019, 16:35:
The Half Elf wrote on Nov 28, 2019, 12:55:
jdreyer wrote on Nov 28, 2019, 11:15:
It's even worse than not killing prisoners: we should give them college educations. Recidivism rates fall from 50% to 5% when you do that.

So you are saying if you want a paid for education that you should break the law and become a prisoner? What about the people trying to get that education without first becoming a prisoner?

Most of the current crop of candidates for president are advocating for some form of free college, so yes, it should be available to anybody.
Free Ed will never fly with the R's. They'd lose their base overnight.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 28, 2019, 17:20
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 28, 2019, 17:20
Nov 28, 2019, 17:20
 
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 28, 2019, 16:51:
jdreyer wrote on Nov 28, 2019, 16:35:
The Half Elf wrote on Nov 28, 2019, 12:55:
jdreyer wrote on Nov 28, 2019, 11:15:
It's even worse than not killing prisoners: we should give them college educations. Recidivism rates fall from 50% to 5% when you do that.

So you are saying if you want a paid for education that you should break the law and become a prisoner? What about the people trying to get that education without first becoming a prisoner?

Most of the current crop of candidates for president are advocating for some form of free college, so yes, it should be available to anybody.
Free Ed will never fly with the R's. They'd lose their base overnight.

Ouch RedEye9.. you went full cynic there.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 28, 2019, 19:26
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs Nov 28, 2019, 19:26
Nov 28, 2019, 19:26
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That's not really cynicism. It's a provable fact that the dumber you are, the more likely you are to vote (R).

The only counter to this that anyone on the right has is to pretend the surveys are rigged while providing no evidence.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Nov 28, 2019, 19:41
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Nov 28, 2019, 19:41
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 28, 2019, 17:20:
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 28, 2019, 16:51:
Free Ed will never fly with the R's. They'd lose their base overnight.
Ouch RedEye9.. you went full cynic there.
Maybe you aren't aware of what's currently in the White House. Wink
HINT: It was not elected by the best and the brightest
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