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21. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 20, 2019, 22:06 Razumen
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 19, 2019, 16:53:
What data do you think they could harvest from this?

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a clause that stipulated that Google can do whatever they want with your gameplay footage. Imagine them using player's footage in advertising campaigns, or letting others watch it like on Twitch. Then there's the value in letting developers have basically unlimited video of people playing their games, which would be invaluable for feedback in how to design their games in certain ways.

I'm sure there's more, if you get even more creative.
 
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20. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 20, 2019, 09:40 Beamer
 
jacobvandy wrote on Nov 19, 2019, 19:40:
Beamer wrote on Nov 19, 2019, 16:53:
What data do you think they could harvest from this?

At the very least they're middle-man for much or all of the telemetry data that the games themselves are processing. Where maybe some devs are earnest in looking only for usable feedback or bug detection, Google is foaming at the mouth to sell that shit to somebody...

The game telemetry is captured by, and used by, the gaming companies doing the capturing and processing. EA doesn't want to share its data with Activision, and literally no one outside of the big game publishers wants this data, so there's no market for the data.

Think for a second and imagine you own a brand in any category. What could you learn from this that you don't already know? What information could Google get out of you that it doesn't already have? Could it get how long you spent looking at the options menu? How long it took you to beat the boss of the third level? How long it took you to get to level 18? Damn near every video game company already does this, and does it cheaply, so that information isn't really anything people are excited for.

And, if you aren't interested in gaming, I'm coming up with an absolute blank on what this could possibly tell Google that they don't already know.
 



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19. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 20, 2019, 06:33 Jonjonz
 
Years too late: "Without expensive consoles"...

My Switch Lite is portable, can play offline, and offers way better performance and value.
 
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18. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 19:40 jacobvandy
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 19, 2019, 16:53:
What data do you think they could harvest from this?

At the very least they're middle-man for much or all of the telemetry data that the games themselves are processing. Where maybe some devs are earnest in looking only for usable feedback or bug detection, Google is foaming at the mouth to sell that shit to somebody...
 
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17. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 18:53 Razumen
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 19, 2019, 16:53:
Because there is untold user data to be siphoned off from it. Think of all the data points they could use to help marketers target ads to you. Soon enough Google will be offering an free+ad-supported service option and you'll just have to sit through 5 minute of ads once an hour to play for free (or something similar). And if Google is first-mover -- they're not, nvidia/Sony/Xbox exist -- they stand to reap the largest rewards (again, in user data).

Stadia is already almost free basically, unless you want 4K you only pay for the games.
 
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16. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 16:53 Beamer
 
chickenboo wrote on Nov 19, 2019, 16:24:
Bumpy wrote on Nov 19, 2019, 12:48:
I don't get why Google even attempted this.

Surely their tech and R&D people knew it wouldn't work.


Because there is untold user data to be siphoned off from it. Think of all the data points they could use to help marketers target ads to you. Soon enough Google will be offering an free+ad-supported service option and you'll just have to sit through 5 minute of ads once an hour to play for free (or something similar). And if Google is first-mover -- they're not, nvidia/Sony/Xbox exist -- they stand to reap the largest rewards (again, in user data).

What data do you think they could harvest from this?
And how much do you think a brand would pay for an ad in the middle of a 5 minute block that exists solely to anger people that are already paying for something? Keep in mind, Hulu ads are 30-90 seconds, and it has only been in the past 7 months or so that they've had enough ads to fill their inventory so that consumers aren't getting the same ad over and over and over again.
 



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15. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 16:27 VoodooV
 
I see this as another cash grab attempt to make all instances of one time costs into recurring costs, which ultimately benefit them, and screw us as consumers over.

EverythingAsAService.

So IMO, it doesn't matter how good or how bad this service is, it's very concept is not good for us as consumers, so I won't buy it.
 
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14. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 16:24 chickenboo
 
Bumpy wrote on Nov 19, 2019, 12:48:
I don't get why Google even attempted this.

Surely their tech and R&D people knew it wouldn't work.


Because there is untold user data to be siphoned off from it. Think of all the data points they could use to help marketers target ads to you. Soon enough Google will be offering an free+ad-supported service option and you'll just have to sit through 5 minute of ads once an hour to play for free (or something similar). And if Google is first-mover -- they're not, nvidia/Sony/Xbox exist -- they stand to reap the largest rewards (again, in user data).
 
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13. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 15:24 Simon Says
 
Dat input lag  
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12. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 15:15 Xero
 
I feel like someone playing MK11 online using this would be akin to a console gamer playing an FPS online against a PC gamer. You go into the match already at a disadvantage...  
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11. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 15:02 Steele Johnson
 
"and for an additional $49 per month, you can play ad free"  
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10. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 14:58 Bill Borre
 
It's too bad we're getting this long after all those devs who were trying to build a mmo to compete with wow have gone on to other things. A mmo built for Stadia could've been interesting.  
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9. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 14:56 Graham
 
"Today we're announcing that Google Stadia is becoming a part of Google Nest Drive Home. While we're happy that players were able to find a sense of pride and achievement in paying us for games they don't own every month, we weren't able to find profitability on this service. As such, we're shifting to a new model where we streaming ad-laden tax software, effective immediately. Users will not be able to download their save games and quite frankly we were idiots to think we could make a go of this anyway."

--Press Release in two years max, probably
 
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8. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 14:29 MattyC
 
The Phantom has arrived! Huzzah! The technology of 2004 is here today!  
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7. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 13:57 Muscular Beaver
 
Even I thought it wouldnt be such a disaster, because I thought they would at least be getting it as well as Geforce Now.
Isnt Google always claiming they have the best and smartest people? Who failed here? Or is it just physics that doesnt want to bend to their wishes? But being so smart, they should have known that long before even planning this project.
 
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6. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 13:23 Creston
 
Bumpy wrote on Nov 19, 2019, 12:48:
I don't get why Google even attempted this.

Surely their tech and R&D people knew it wouldn't work.


Well, it works, we know that. We've known that since OnLive. It's just that it doesn't work very well, (also the same since OnLive) and clearly is being pushed out the door LONG before it should have been, because some dildo suit at Google decided this needed to be out by the holidays.

Why they didn't keep working on this for another 8 months and release it four months before PS5 / Scarlett, with a much larger game lineup and no missing features, is beyond me. Apparently being a suit at Google means you have to have no ability to think whatsoever, and all you need to be good at is sexually harassing people.
 
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5. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 13:18 Kxmode
 
Bumpy wrote on Nov 19, 2019, 12:48:
I don't get why Google even attempted this.

Surely their tech and R&D people knew it wouldn't work.

"There are three ways to make a living in this business... Be first, be smarter, or cheat. Well, I don't cheat, and even though I like to think we have got some pretty smart people, it sure is a hell of a lot easier to just be first."
 
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4. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 12:48 Bumpy
 
I don't get why Google even attempted this.

Surely their tech and R&D people knew it wouldn't work.

 
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3. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 12:44 Kxmode
 
aka_STEVE wrote on Nov 19, 2019, 11:01:
Some of those review headlines are great ......

"Stadia — The Next Best Thing According to Google Until They Deem It a Failure"
 
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2. Re: Google Stadia Launches Nov 19, 2019, 11:17 Avus
 
Who would have thought Google will do gaming worse than Apple - a company that not care about gaming in decades??

Google should be embarrassed..
 
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