Prez wrote on Nov 16, 2019, 00:07:That's true, but so is every high sticking incident in hockey.
No it isn't. The vast majority of high sticking penalties involve the stick inadvertently making contact with the opposing player. There was a case back in 2000 when Marty McSorely performed an infamous two-handed slash to Donald Brashear's temple. Brashear fell unconscious and his head smashed onto the ice. He very easily could have died. The NHL banned McSorely indefinitely and he was tried and convicted of assault with a deadly weapon. Which is the same thing that should happen here. That wasn't just your everyday "emotions are running high" type of incident. That was one of the most ugly, shameful things I've seen in the NFL and I've been watching for 45 years.
Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 15, 2019, 18:51:
One of my sisters had LASIK back in the day. She was very happy with the results. And in fact, years later an optometrist told her whomever had done the surgery had done a very good job, that he could barely see indications of the surgery when he had examined her eyes. I considered it myself, but couldn't bring myself to do it. I just "knew" I'd be the 1 in 10,000 who had a significantly bad outcome.
If you are considering having it done, first be sure you get a thorough and complete evaluation. Second, be sure the surgeon doing your procedure has literally done the procedure many thousands of times.
subx wrote on Nov 15, 2019, 15:55:Garrett had a late hit on Rudolph, something Garrett has been fined for in the past. It's why the refs through the flag. The provocation was Garrett's.Verno wrote on Nov 15, 2019, 15:02:
He took him down, kept him pinned, had to be pulled off then wrenched him around by the helmet then hit him with the fucking helmet.
I don't get the framing of Rudolph as some kind of innocent party. He started the helmet tugging shenanigans, and then came back at Garrett while he was being pulled away. Garrett obviously massively overreacted, but it wasn't like there was no provocation.
Icewind wrote on Nov 15, 2019, 12:34:
It was a little rough, but I don't see the problem. Nobody was hurt in Garrett's little helmet bonking episode, and it's just two roided up teams acting like roided up teams. I think the Pedro Martinez incident where he punched out Don Zimmer on the field back in the 2000s was far worse and no one crucified him to this extent.
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 15, 2019, 12:26:
Whacking a guy with his helmet will get you a multi-game suspension.
Taking a knee during the anthem gets you banned for life.
That's true, but so is every high sticking incident in hockey.
Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 15, 2019, 17:39:The additional comments were in response to Verno saying he hadn't seen Rudolph pulling at Garrett's helmet. Overall, my point was two wrongs don't make a right. But yeah, clearly Garrett committed the most egregious action. Anyone disputing that or claiming Garrett's actions were justified doesn't live in a sane world.
Rudolph's responsibility comes first from him attempting to pull Garrett's helmet off while on the ground. Then when his teammates are pushing Garrett away he charges in like he is going to fight Garrett when HE DOESN"T HAVE A HELMET. He is escalating the situation, he is out of control. Is his reaction understandable? Yes. Does he deserve a pass? No. Much like with Pouncey, you might sympathize or possibly agree with their reactions, but that doesn't absolve them of their own actions.
I only found about this event this morning, but after about 1.5 hours of watch various talking heads on ESPN, my initial reaction was suspensions of: 1 game for Rudolph, 2-4 games for Pouncey and Ogunjobi, 8-16 for Garrett. I was close. The NFL came out with their 1 game for Ogunjobi, 3 for Pouncey and at least to the end of the season for Garrett not long after that. I'll be disappointed if Rudolph doesn't get a fine. Yeah, Garrett is the villain. But there are no innocent parties in this situation.
Darks wrote on Nov 15, 2019, 21:06:Actually, I'm not. You are inferring things I did not say. If you had read my other comments in this topic you'll see I said Garrett was the villain, his actions are inexcusable. Garrett committed unnecessary roughness, with eight seconds left in a game which his team had already secured a victory. Among other things, he was acting like a complete idiot in the play.
Unbelievable that you are tying to justify his action, your no better then that dirt-bag. There is nothing, nothing at all that can justify an assault like that.
Honestly, you sound just like a Browns fan, there can t be any other reason for you to defend that bullshit.
Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 15, 2019, 18:09:Verno wrote on Nov 15, 2019, 17:54:Then you haven't seen all the film available. There is a shot where Garrett's helmet is about a third to half way off and you can tell Rudolph is pulling at it.
I'm watching both angles of it and I don't see him attempting to pull his helmet off.
Edit: I did hear one claim that Rudolph's hand was "caught" in Garrett's face mask and Rudolph was attempting to free his hand -- but it was only mentioned once and the information came through a third party...
WarPig wrote on Nov 15, 2019, 19:40:Yeah, although I didn't watch it, based on the coverage afterward it was an "ugly" game where Cleveland was clearly either trying to look tough, or trying to send a message, or some other macho message. Your analysis was as good as any of the talking heads on ESPN. Rudolph was frustrated, and Garrett's unnecessary roughness with eight seconds remaining in a game which was over (and which Cleveland was winning) was an inch too far for Rudolph.
I'm actually a lot more worried about the Steeler's receiver, Johnson, who was bleeding from his freaking ear after getting that cheap-shot from the Brown's safety (who was righteously ejected from the game). That was pretty nasty.
That was assault with a weapon, plain and simple.