Op Ed

CNET - Blizzard's Hong Kong censorship is a symptom of gaming's deep-rooted fear of politics.
"Publishers, and developers in many cases, are terrified of "politics." Terrified of discussing it, terrified of engaging in it. Terrified of offending the worst sections of its audience by placing its games in the midst of any type of political discourse. Consider Ubisoft's Houdini-esque claim that The Division 2, a video game about social collapse and environmental terrorism, wasn't in any way political. "

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edaciousx wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 17:25:
games have been a bit more vocal about anti trump/anti right wing the past few years. This whole China thing is solely about money and not so much politics.
It's entirely about politics. It's about not pissing off the Chinese government in order to get the money.
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Oct 31, 2019, 01:58
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Oct 31, 2019, 01:58
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I think there is a point of distinction to be made about games that reference real word events and situations, like Ubisoft's 'The Division' and 'Far Cry 5'. That being that it's one thing to have political issues in a game (weaponized capitalism and the value of private gun ownership of in 'The Division' and a fringe far-right militia in 'Far Cry 5'), but it is something else to express a political stance or opinion through a game. Games will often use political issues in their setting and narrative because it lends a feeling of authenticity and relevance to a game world, but as in the aforementioned cases developers will reject being pigeon-holed into a particular political viewpoint. Ubisoft didn't want the inclusion of political topics in The Division to be read as though they were making a statement on the pitfalls of rampant capitalism or the benefit of private gun ownership. When gamers like myself complain about over-politicization in games it's not the politics themselves that we take issue with, it's the preachiness therein. I want to play a game, not be preached to. The most poignant political messages in media are usually the ones that simply present the issue within a narrative rather than beat you over the head with a one-sided diatribe.

The avoidance on the part of publishers of being seen as taking a particular stance one way or the other on a controversial topic is ALWAYS about money. In modern times people who look at minorities, women, or homosexuals as somehow lesser human beings have been relegated into their own class of fringe kooks. As such, publishers are far less concerned with how these types of people would react to the inclusion of strong female leads or the representation of gays and minorities than they would have been had they been around in less enlightened times. The reward of being viewed as enlightened and progressive outweighs the risk. When you're talking about upsetting a government who completely controls your company's access to a market of a billion people, though, that's a whole different story. Being enlightened and progressive about freedom of speech and sovereignty is suddenly too much of a risk when it could come at the expense of losing access to a massive portion of the market.

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edaciousx wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 17:25:
games have been a bit more vocal about anti trump/anti right wing the past few years. This whole China thing is solely about money and not so much politics.

This x100

If anything, publishers and developers are far more political and slather their games with politics. Just now, Im playing through Outer Worlds and every major faction leader is a female with a mannish haircut and half of them admit to being lesbian.

It's just western games though. European and Japanese RPGs largely stay away from this stuff.
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RedEye9 wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 22:47:
Razumen wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 22:21:
AND they didn't allow user reviews right away either,
Due to idiots review bombing, Rotten Tomatoes changed when users are allowed to post.

The show was out on Netflix, not theatre. How are people supposed to prove they watched it? Send them their Netflix account details? There's no reason for them to have locked users out from reviews for that long.
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Razumen wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 22:21:
AND they didn't allow user reviews right away either,
Due to idiots review bombing, Rotten Tomatoes changed when users are allowed to post.
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Oct 30, 2019, 22:21
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Oct 30, 2019, 22:21
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 21:57:
Razumen wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 20:09:
Beamer wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 13:45:
Parallax Abstraction wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 12:35:
The lack of self-awareness in this article is hysterical. If a dev or publisher deviates from the press' group-think even a little bit, they are publicly eviscerated for it. And they actually wonder why they're scared of being political.

In before the usual suspects call me alt-right for recognizing that shades of grey exist in the world.

It's always entertaining that some claim you get eviscerated for thinking differently, rather than, y'know, just being an asshole about how you go about it.

Like the idiot from Joker whining that you can't do edgy comedy anymore, while things like Big Mouth exist, are critically praised, and are far edgier than anything he'd ever done.

That "idiot" is right. You just have to look at Chappelle's latest show for proof of that.

And Big Mouth isn't any edgier than SP, and less funny to boot.

Chapelles was really eviscerated with, y'know, millions of dollars. And yes, South Park is edgy, and critically acclaimed, and massively profitable. It's rights just sold for half a billion. Clearly being edgy isn't successful!

He's talking about critical reception. Yes Chappelle was successful, but he's frickin' Dave Chappelle, he already has millions of fans. But Critics lambasted it on RT, it was at 0% critic score, yet over 60% user rating, AND they didn't allow user reviews right away either, artificially keeping his rating lower for longer. For big movies, this sort of influence can have a big impact on people's decisions to see it or not.

It's slightly better now, but the critic score is still only 35%, yet the audience score it at a whopping 99%. It's clearly obvious there is a disconnect here between the "critics" and the average person.

South Park is pretty much the same, though I'd say that it's not really edgy in the same way, certainly not in the ways that push people's buttons like Chappelle did.
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Oct 30, 2019, 21:57
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Oct 30, 2019, 21:57
 Beamer
 
Razumen wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 20:09:
Beamer wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 13:45:
Parallax Abstraction wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 12:35:
The lack of self-awareness in this article is hysterical. If a dev or publisher deviates from the press' group-think even a little bit, they are publicly eviscerated for it. And they actually wonder why they're scared of being political.

In before the usual suspects call me alt-right for recognizing that shades of grey exist in the world.

It's always entertaining that some claim you get eviscerated for thinking differently, rather than, y'know, just being an asshole about how you go about it.

Like the idiot from Joker whining that you can't do edgy comedy anymore, while things like Big Mouth exist, are critically praised, and are far edgier than anything he'd ever done.

That "idiot" is right. You just have to look at Chappelle's latest show for proof of that.

And Big Mouth isn't any edgier than SP, and less funny to boot.

Chapelles was really eviscerated with, y'know, millions of dollars. And yes, South Park is edgy, and critically acclaimed, and massively profitable. It's rights just sold for half a billion. Clearly being edgy isn't successful!
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Beamer wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 13:45:
Parallax Abstraction wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 12:35:
The lack of self-awareness in this article is hysterical. If a dev or publisher deviates from the press' group-think even a little bit, they are publicly eviscerated for it. And they actually wonder why they're scared of being political.

In before the usual suspects call me alt-right for recognizing that shades of grey exist in the world.

It's always entertaining that some claim you get eviscerated for thinking differently, rather than, y'know, just being an asshole about how you go about it.

Like the idiot from Joker whining that you can't do edgy comedy anymore, while things like Big Mouth exist, are critically praised, and are far edgier than anything he'd ever done.

That "idiot" is right. You just have to look at Chappelle's latest show for proof of that.

And Big Mouth isn't any edgier than SP, and less funny to boot.
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Oct 30, 2019, 18:52
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We are just trying to navigate through a minefield, we only stand for making as much money as possible, nothing more and nothing less.
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Oct 30, 2019, 17:25
 
games have been a bit more vocal about anti trump/anti right wing the past few years. This whole China thing is solely about money and not so much politics.
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Parallax Abstraction wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 12:35:
In before the usual suspects call me alt-right for recognizing that shades of grey exist in the world.


There is no gray area when it comes to fighting for your own liberty, for fighting against censorship, oppression, rampant police brutality, and wholesale murder of civilians by the state. There is zero wiggle room here for which side of the line is the right one to be on.

Parallax Abstraction wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 12:35:
The lack of self-awareness...

...in your post is quite evident.

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Oct 30, 2019, 13:45
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 Beamer
 
Parallax Abstraction wrote on Oct 30, 2019, 12:35:
The lack of self-awareness in this article is hysterical. If a dev or publisher deviates from the press' group-think even a little bit, they are publicly eviscerated for it. And they actually wonder why they're scared of being political.

In before the usual suspects call me alt-right for recognizing that shades of grey exist in the world.

It's always entertaining that some claim you get eviscerated for thinking differently, rather than, y'know, just being an asshole about how you go about it.

Like the idiot from Joker whining that you can't do edgy comedy anymore, while things like Big Mouth exist, are critically praised, and are far edgier than anything he'd ever done.
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Oct 30, 2019, 13:33
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Actiblizz doesn't represent everyone else, do they? There's a whopping big difference between pandering to extremists on either side of the divide and supporting things like basic human rights and democracy. People on both side of the divide generally agree that companies that put profits before people are companies that don't align with their values and therefore don't deserve their financial support.

And even if they are just profit driven monsters at least most of them aren't stupid enough to do what Actiblizz did.

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The lack of self-awareness in this article is hysterical. If a dev or publisher deviates from the press' group-think even a little bit, they are publicly eviscerated for it. And they actually wonder why they're scared of being political.

In before the usual suspects call me alt-right for recognizing that shades of grey exist in the world.
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